The man of a thousand screen names bitched:

You boat review provided a valuable service, because it highlighted the
need
for boat buyers to take what they read in boat mags with a grain of
salt.

**********************

Yeah, yeah. Yawn. Say, when was the last time you or Hurtwit posted
anything *on* topic?
How much salt is required to deal with a guy who hangs out in a boating
NG and doesn't boat?

Gould,
The post you responded to was on topic. Boat reviews in magazines are fluff
pieces for the boat builder, they read like the boat manufacturer gave you
the piece and you just signed your name. Karen calls these posts SPAM, and
they are. I am amazed you actually try to convenience anyone they aren't.

A new boater should understand the boat magazines make money by using their
fluff PR pieces to sell ads and to sell reprints of the articles so the
dealers can give them to everyone interested in the boat.

Your contention that the reviews are always positive because every boat
design is superb and all boat manufactures build quality boats shows you
believe the buyers are gullible. Everyone who has responded to my statement
that boat reviews are fluff PR pieces have agreed with me. NO boater in the
group buys into your BS.


oups.com...
The man of a thousand screen names bitched:

You boat review provided a valuable service, because it highlighted the
need
for boat buyers to take what they read in boat mags with a grain of
salt.

**********************

Yeah, yeah. Yawn. Say, when was the last time you or Hurtwit posted
anything *on* topic?
How much salt is required to deal with a guy who hangs out in a boating
NG and doesn't boat?

"Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD" wrote in message
...
Gould,
The post you responded to was on topic. Boat reviews in magazines are
fluff pieces for the boat builder, they read like the boat manufacturer
gave you the piece and you just signed your name. Karen calls these posts
SPAM, and they are. I am amazed you actually try to convenience anyone
they aren't.

A new boater should understand the boat magazines make money by using
their fluff PR pieces to sell ads and to sell reprints of the articles so
the dealers can give them to everyone interested in the boat.

Your contention that the reviews are always positive because every boat
design is superb and all boat manufactures build quality boats shows you
believe the buyers are gullible. Everyone who has responded to my
statement that boat reviews are fluff PR pieces have agreed with me.

Boating magazine is one of the worse. But, hey, what do you expect? They're
a French-owned company.

Powerboat Reports seems very objective in their reviews, however.

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD" wrote in message
...
Gould,
The post you responded to was on topic. Boat reviews in magazines are
fluff pieces for the boat builder, they read like the boat manufacturer
gave you the piece and you just signed your name. Karen calls these
posts SPAM, and they are. I am amazed you actually try to convenience
anyone they aren't.

A new boater should understand the boat magazines make money by using
their fluff PR pieces to sell ads and to sell reprints of the articles so
the dealers can give them to everyone interested in the boat.

Your contention that the reviews are always positive because every boat
design is superb and all boat manufactures build quality boats shows you
believe the buyers are gullible. Everyone who has responded to my
statement that boat reviews are fluff PR pieces have agreed with me.

Boating magazine is one of the worse.

"worst"

Powerboat Reports is the only one who even tries to be objective, they can
be objective because they do not accept advertising. They are the
"Consumer Reports" for boating products. There reports aren't perfect, but
they do their best to be objective.


"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD" wrote in message
...
Gould,
The post you responded to was on topic. Boat reviews in magazines are
fluff pieces for the boat builder, they read like the boat manufacturer
gave you the piece and you just signed your name. Karen calls these
posts SPAM, and they are. I am amazed you actually try to convenience
anyone they aren't.

A new boater should understand the boat magazines make money by using
their fluff PR pieces to sell ads and to sell reprints of the articles so
the dealers can give them to everyone interested in the boat.

Your contention that the reviews are always positive because every boat
design is superb and all boat manufactures build quality boats shows you
believe the buyers are gullible. Everyone who has responded to my
statement that boat reviews are fluff PR pieces have agreed with me.

Boating magazine is one of the worse. But, hey, what do you expect?
They're a French-owned company.

Powerboat Reports seems very objective in their reviews, however.

NO boater in the
group buys into your BS.

*********



Actual boaters usually have an interest in the opinions that other
people hold about boating related issues. That's one reason they would
visit a boating related discussion group You non boating characters are
only interested in any statement or opinion that gives you a foothold
for picking fight, which is the sole reason you visit a boating
discussion group.

wrote in message
oups.com...
NO boater in the
group buys into your BS.

*********



Actual boaters usually have an interest in the opinions that other
people hold about boating related issues. That's one reason they would
visit a boating related discussion group You non boating characters are
only interested in any statement or opinion that gives you a foothold
for picking fight, which is the sole reason you visit a boating
discussion group.


Just curious Chuck. Do you actually believe that one has to own a boat to
be a boater? That seems to be your mindset, along with several others in
this NG.

Does past ownership count? Does "x" number of years of boating experience
count? Does continued boating on boats not owned count?

Does one have to boat on the ocean to fit your definition of a boater?

And exactly what is your definition of a boat? Is it any vessel capable of
floating while carrying a person aboard? Or does it have to be a custom
made 36 foot Lobster boat?

You seem to have a narrow minded view of how a boater is defined.

Lastly, as far as OT posts, I believe you would score in the top percentage
each and every month. The fact that you throw in some spam boat review once
in a while makes it OK?

Looks like what is good for the goose is not good for the gander....eh
Chucky?

hurtwit inquired:

(disclosure, much of his post snipped- this was the operative point. He
will bitch that I didn't copy over his personal insults, but
tough.).....

Just curious Chuck. Do you actually believe that one has to own a boat
to
be a boater? That seems to be your mindset, along with several others
in
this NG.

Does past ownership count? Does "x" number of years of boating
experience
count? Does continued boating on boats not owned count?


Does one have to boat on the ocean to fit your definition of a boater?


And exactly what is your definition of a boat? Is it any vessel
capable of
floating while carrying a person aboard? Or does it have to be a
custom
made 36 foot Lobster boat?

************************************************** **

Let's begin with the observation that if a "boater" were participating
in a boating discussion group, at least some of that person's posts
would be about boating. In two or three years, under
Dennis Compton, JimH, and all the other screen names in between you
have made what, 4, 5, 6 (maybe) boating related posts? Vs. 4,5,6
personal attack posts almost every day.

Boat ownership isn't critical. Lots of people charter once or twice a
year, and one could argue that they are "boaters". A lot of boat owners
don't get out that much more than charter boaters do..........but, the
key difference is that they have an interest in boating.

I do not call you a non-boater simply because you don't currently own a
boat. You sold your Maxum (I believe it was) when your wife's health
declined. If we can all hope that her health improves, perhaps you'll
own a boat again some day. When you participate in the NG, you discuss
people- not boats. For example, if you disagree with something I
express as an observation or an opinion you never raise a counter
argument or post a contrasting opinion on the same item, you simply
start spreading crap about hundred dollar bills being stuffed through
my mailbox, etc. You make no pretense about having any boating
knowledge.

Who was it that posted, jut over a year ago, that they only came to
rec.boats to cause trouble and saved their "serious" boating discussion
for other forums? Look in the mirror. You have admitted that you see
your role here is to be as destructive as you can.

You're not a boater because you have never expressed a serious interest
in boating.

No, you don't have to boat "on the ocean" to be a boater.

No, you don't have to own a lobster boat.

Any vessel that will keep you afloat in the water could be loosely
defined as a boat. (or at least a raft). :-)

We can only call 'em as we see 'em. You never post anything about
boating, therefore it is safe to assume you are not a boater. Wouldn't
matter if you had six of them sitting in your driveway, or whether you
took a charter cruise on an annual basis. If you were a boater, you'd
demonstrate an interest in the subject and some ability to discuss or
debate issues rather than
constantly pump your poison pen.

wrote in message
oups.com...
hurtwit inquired:

(disclosure, much of his post snipped- this was the operative point. He
will bitch that I didn't copy over his personal insults, but
tough.).....

Just curious Chuck. Do you actually believe that one has to own a boat
to
be a boater? That seems to be your mindset, along with several others
in
this NG.

Does past ownership count? Does "x" number of years of boating
experience
count? Does continued boating on boats not owned count?


Does one have to boat on the ocean to fit your definition of a boater?


And exactly what is your definition of a boat? Is it any vessel
capable of
floating while carrying a person aboard? Or does it have to be a
custom
made 36 foot Lobster boat?

************************************************** **

Let's begin with the observation that if a "boater" were participating
in a boating discussion group, at least some of that person's posts
would be about boating. In two or three years, under
Dennis Compton, JimH, and all the other screen names in between you
have made what, 4, 5, 6 (maybe) boating related posts? Vs. 4,5,6
personal attack posts almost every day.


Wrong. I have made about as many on topic boating related posts as you
have.

As far as personal attacks and OT postings, you remain in 3rd place behind
Basskisser and Krause.


Boat ownership isn't critical. Lots of people charter once or twice a
year, and one could argue that they are "boaters". A lot of boat owners
don't get out that much more than charter boaters do..........but, the
key difference is that they have an interest in boating.

As I do and most folks in this NG.


I do not call you a non-boater simply because you don't currently own a
boat. You sold your Maxum (I believe it was) when your wife's health
declined. If we can all hope that her health improves, perhaps you'll
own a boat again some day.

Her health is not improving. But I will be purchasing a smaller boat (the
Maxum was 35 LOA) when we purchase our retirement house on the water.


When you participate in the NG, you discuss
people- not boats. For example, if you disagree with something I
express as an observation or an opinion you never raise a counter
argument or post a contrasting opinion on the same item, you simply
start spreading crap about hundred dollar bills being stuffed through
my mailbox, etc. You make no pretense about having any boating
knowledge.

As you often do. Just because I don't write a multi paragraph 1,000 word
essay does not mean my point was not expressed properly.



Who was it that posted, jut over a year ago, that they only came to
rec.boats to cause trouble and saved their "serious" boating discussion
for other forums? Look in the mirror.

I was half kidding as you and many others here seem to do that very thing.


You have admitted that you see
your role here is to be as destructive as you can.

Really? I don't think so.

You're not a boater because you have never expressed a serious interest
in boating.

Sure I have, many times.


No, you don't have to boat "on the ocean" to be a boater.

Good.


No, you don't have to own a lobster boat.


Good.


Any vessel that will keep you afloat in the water could be loosely
defined as a boat. (or at least a raft). :-)

Well, I guess I am not boatless then as I still have an Achilles and motor
in the attic.



We can only call 'em as we see 'em. You never post anything about
boating, therefore it is safe to assume you are not a boater.

Not true. You just did not bother to look.

Wouldn't
matter if you had six of them sitting in your driveway, or whether you
took a charter cruise on an annual basis. If you were a boater, you'd
demonstrate an interest in the subject and some ability to discuss or
debate issues rather than
constantly pump your poison pen.


Pot-kettle-black.

JimH protested:

Wrong. I have made about as many on topic boating related posts as you

have.

*******************

Hate to break this to you, but look up your posting history in Google.
The archives are not your friend when you make this claim.

"Gould is a lying asshole" is not a boating related post, even if
interjected into a boating related thread. "Harry is a lying asshole"
doesn't count, either, nor do attacks on jps, basskisser, or any of
your other prefered victims.

I am not saying that you don't participate in boating related threads,
only that you do not participate with any boating related comments or
content. That's an unassailable fact.
Prove me wrong by listing several examples of posts you have made
regarding boating issues, (where those posts are not merely serving as
a vehicle for name calling and personal attack), rather than by simply
denying the painfully obvious. Sadly, you cannot, and if you respond to
this challenge it will be with some witty phrase like "pot, kettle,
black". :-(

You claim to have an interest in boats or boating, but actions speak
louder than words and yours indicate only an interest in lobbing insult
and seeking personal confrontations. Hey, everybody has to have a
hobby. Yours is plainly evident. No big deal, but why make a pretense
that your behavior is the fault of someone else, justified by something
somebody else does, and better or worse than the behavior of another
participant? It's not unreasonable to assume you are putting your best
foot forward- and from a boating perspective nobody could possibly be
even taking note, let alone impressed.

Love to stick around and chat, but coffee break's over and I need to
get back to work. There's a severe shortage of hundred dollar bills in
this morning's mail, and If I'm going to buy up the rest of your
neighborhood I'll have to write 2-3 more reviews. :-)