Paul,
I have been told that a person could captain any size boat he'd want to
provided there is no commercial interest. In other words if a person
could afford a 150' boat he wouldn't be required to have a Captains
license or hire a Captain to pilot the vessel. Is this correct?
Paul

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Hi Jeff,

I don't want to belabor the point, as it seems you've pretty much decided to
do this job, but I think you're missing the point. It's not necessarily
whether you are being paid or not, it's whether your passengers are paying
for a ride on a boat and what assurances they are therefore entitled to.
Even if they haven't paid a red cent, your passengers are still entitled to
certain expectations, and if something should go wrong as a licensed master,
you will be held to a higher level of scrutiny. In my opinion (and I don't
think I'm alone) you are exposing yourself to a very high level of risk.
But that is your option, and I wish you luck.

I've always erred on the side of caution. Consequently, I turn down nearly
as much work as I take on. I'm sure I'd have more money in the bank if I
took more chances, but I sleep better at night!

All the best,

Paul Schilter wrote:
I have been told that a person could captain any size boat he'd want
to provided there is no commercial interest. In other words if a person
could afford a 150' boat he wouldn't be required to have a Captains
license or hire a Captain to pilot the vessel. Is this correct?

Yes and no...he can buy it, and he can run it. But unless he can prove
that he's acquired to skills to do so, he prob'ly won't be able to
insure it, or even get liability insurance to cover him on it. Someone
recently posted on a board I visit that they wanted to move up from a
24' to 50-something...every insurance company he talked to told him he'd
have to have a licensed captain onboard for at least a full year and
then be able to prove that he was competent to handle it himself after
that before they'd continue the insurance without a licensed captain.

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I have been told that a person could captain any size boat he'd want to
provided there is no commercial interest. In other words if a person could
afford a 150' boat he wouldn't be required to have a Captains license or
hire a Captain to pilot the vessel. Is this correct?
Paul

Ok, we're talking "in the US" here, as every country is different:

There's a bit more to it than that. Vessels are categorized by their
intended purpose, tonnage, waters to be operated, etc. and certain vessels
will require a licensed master no matter their size. But, as far as I know,
you are essentially right: if you wanted to purchase a 150 foot private
yacht and drive it yourself, there are no laws or regulations requiring that
you carry a license or a licensed master, so long as the vessel is only used
as a private yacht. In fact, there are alot of private yachts over 100' out
there, and if an owner wanted to hire you to drive it, you wouldn't need a
license to do so. Likewise, a license is not required (by law at least) to
deliver yachts.

I think this is where a lot of people get confused: It's not necessarilly
whether you are paid to drive the boat, it's if you have passengers aboard
who have paid to ride, thus the common expression "Passengers for Hire".

The reality is this, even though the law may not require a delivery captain
to have a license, if you don't have a license, you'll have a darn hard time
getting work as a delivery captain. Likewise, although you may be able to
afford to buy a 150' yacht, if you don't have a licensed captain aboard, you
may have a very hard time insuring it.

Let me just conclude by adding this: I'm not a lawyer, nor am I an expert
on Federal law. I'm just a licensed mariner that is doing his best to stay
within the law and protect myself and familly from "unreasonable risk".
There are lots of grey areas in this business, and I've always tried to
steer clear of anything that might later bite me, and I've always
recommended that others do the same.

All the best,

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Paul,
Well that's interesting! I was under the impression that if I was
getting paid to drive a boat I'd need the license. Thanks for that
information. I figured correctly on the other part and as Peggie pointed
out the insurance would be the show stopper, at least for a prudent
person. If someone was rich enough and stupid enough I guess they don't
have to get insurance. I don't think insurance is required as it is on a
car as far as I know. But thanks for making that clarification.
Paul


renewontime dot com wrote:
I have been told that a person could captain any size boat he'd want to
provided there is no commercial interest. In other words if a person could
afford a 150' boat he wouldn't be required to have a Captains license or
hire a Captain to pilot the vessel. Is this correct?
Paul


Ok, we're talking "in the US" here, as every country is different:

There's a bit more to it than that. Vessels are categorized by their
intended purpose, tonnage, waters to be operated, etc. and certain vessels
will require a licensed master no matter their size. But, as far as I know,
you are essentially right: if you wanted to purchase a 150 foot private
yacht and drive it yourself, there are no laws or regulations requiring that
you carry a license or a licensed master, so long as the vessel is only used
as a private yacht. In fact, there are alot of private yachts over 100' out
there, and if an owner wanted to hire you to drive it, you wouldn't need a
license to do so. Likewise, a license is not required (by law at least) to
deliver yachts.

I think this is where a lot of people get confused: It's not necessarilly
whether you are paid to drive the boat, it's if you have passengers aboard
who have paid to ride, thus the common expression "Passengers for Hire".

The reality is this, even though the law may not require a delivery captain
to have a license, if you don't have a license, you'll have a darn hard time
getting work as a delivery captain. Likewise, although you may be able to
afford to buy a 150' yacht, if you don't have a licensed captain aboard, you
may have a very hard time insuring it.

Let me just conclude by adding this: I'm not a lawyer, nor am I an expert
on Federal law. I'm just a licensed mariner that is doing his best to stay
within the law and protect myself and familly from "unreasonable risk".
There are lots of grey areas in this business, and I've always tried to
steer clear of anything that might later bite me, and I've always
recommended that others do the same.

All the best,

Paul Schilter wrote:
Paul,
Well that's interesting! I was under the impression that if I was
getting paid to drive a boat I'd need the license. Thanks for that
information. I figured correctly on the other part and as Peggie pointed
out the insurance would be the show stopper, at least for a prudent
person. If someone was rich enough and stupid enough I guess they don't
have to get insurance. I don't think insurance is required as it is on a
car as far as I know. But thanks for making that clarification.
Paul

Its not at all unusual for people with significant net worth to "self-insure".
A lot of companies do that as well.

Insurance companies are primarily for people who can't afford to take the loss
should it happen. If you are willing to lose the boat without crying over it, and
are financially able to take care of any damage you might cause to others property, you
don't need insurance.

YMMV,

Don W.

Don W wrote:

Its not at all unusual for people with significant net worth to
"self-insure".
A lot of companies do that as well.

It's not unusual for them to "self-drive" onto the rocks, either! I see or hear
of such an incident with a multi-million dollar boat every summer.

Sorry, couldn't resist that one...

Insurance companies are primarily for people who can't afford to take
the loss
should it happen. If you are willing to lose the boat without crying
over it, and
are financially able to take care of any damage you might cause to
others property, you don't need insurance.

In principle this is true, but the fact is there are not many people financially
prepared for such incidents. Besides property damage, you have to consider
personal injury, legal bills, environmental cleanup costs, etc. Even with all
the $0.5-2M boats out there, which seem mainstream nowadays, the people willing
and able to expose themselves to this kind of liability are vanishingly few.
People with that kind of money have a lot more to lose, too, and/or a lot more
to sue for.

Matt O.

Paul Schilter wrote:


Paul,
I have been told that a person could captain any size boat he'd want to
provided there is no commercial interest. In other words if a person
could afford a 150' boat he wouldn't be required to have a Captains
license or hire a Captain to pilot the vessel. Is this correct?
Paul

In .uk at least, and probably in most of the civilised world, you
need a qualified master on anything over 23 metres long.
The manning and qualifications required increase with length and weight.

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Paul Schilter wrote:

Paul,
I have been told that a person could captain any size boat he'd want to
provided there is no commercial interest. In other words if a person
could afford a 150' boat he wouldn't be required to have a Captains
license or hire a Captain to pilot the vessel. Is this correct?
Paul

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I an not absolutly sure, but I believe in the US the Maximum Gross
Weight for unlicensed Operators is 200 Tons. Anything over that
requires both a Licensed Master and Chief Engineer, minimum and that
changes as the Tonnage increases. I know that these mminimums are
true for commercial vessels, but I am not sure for non-commercial
vessels.


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