gould0738 said"Sometimes, but not often."

Sad but true. Used to be a pretty good mix of boating and general marine
topics. Damn shame a few 10 year olds in adult bodies have made such a mess of
it. I use boating to escape the stress of the world as we know it, not to hear
political rants.

Mike

There are some serious boating NG's out there,...

Where are they? I would like to find an NG that talks about boats and this
ain't it. Preferably a group with at least some content on smaller inland boats
(i.e. I have a 19 ft. cuddy on the Ohio river), not vast Yachts or siling on
the open seas.

Thanks

Dave Hall (the "other" Dave Hall... not the rec.boats regular Dave Hall)

"David Hall" wrote in message
...
There are some serious boating NG's out there,...
Where are they? I would like to find an NG that talks about boats and this
ain't it. Preferably a group with at least some content on smaller inland
boats
(i.e. I have a 19 ft. cuddy on the Ohio river), not vast Yachts or siling
on
the open seas.
Thanks
Dave Hall (the "other" Dave Hall... not the rec.boats regular Dave Hall)

Hi Dave: If your boat is trailerable and you like to boat in places that
are like heaven on earth then you should take your boat to the 30,000
Islands area of Georgian Bay. The small craft route through this area is
probably one of the best places for small boats to cruise. I have been
boating for almost 50 years and some of those years were spent canoe
tripping through this area. Now, at my age, I like to boat in comfort. My
boat is a 27 foot Doral and it has all of the comforts of home. You will
have no problems in this area with your 19 ft cuddy.

Jim Carter

On 20 Jan 2005 01:04:00 GMT, (David Hall) wrote:

I have a 19 ft. cuddy on the Ohio river, not vast Yachts or siling on
the open seas.

================================================== =

So your yacht is only half vast. Tell us about boating on the Ohio
River: Places you've been, things to enjoy, that sort of thing. I
have a 24 ft cuddy on the Caloosahatchee River (among other things).
No big deal, tell us about what you know.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On 20 Jan 2005 01:04:00 GMT, (David Hall) wrote:

I have a 19 ft. cuddy on the Ohio river, not vast Yachts or siling on
the open seas.

================================================== =

So your yacht is only half vast. Tell us about boating on the Ohio
River: Places you've been, things to enjoy, that sort of thing. I
have a 24 ft cuddy on the Caloosahatchee River (among other things).

Wayne,
Are you seeing any juvenile tarpon up your way? I've been reading reports
of lots of juvenile tarpon (15-30lbs) being caught in the Punta Gorda canals
on white bucktail jigs.

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:30:34 -0500, "NOYB" wrote:

Wayne,
Are you seeing any juvenile tarpon up your way? I've been reading reports
of lots of juvenile tarpon (15-30lbs) being caught in the Punta Gorda canals
on white bucktail jigs.

==================================================

Interesting. I haven't seen any personally but I'll ask around the
neighborhood. We did have a school of fair sized fish in a feeding
frenzy right in front of the house the other day. I'm not sure what
they were but one neighbor thought they were "Jacks".

There is a seminar on local fishing being offered on Saturday morning
at the so called Cape Coral yacht club (actually a municipal
facility). I'm going to try and attend since I need to learn more
about fishing in this area. I trolled a couple of lures off the back
of the trawler coming north from Marco Isalnd a few weeks ago but no
hits. It would have been dumb luck but you never know. I used to
catch bluefish once in awhile trolling from my old sailboat when we
lived in the north east.

On 19 Jan 2005 07:43:23 -0800, wrote:

Jaxashby wrote:

1985 was the high point in boat ownership in terms of units in the US
of A.
kids, now in their early 40's at the top side, are not taking up
sailing/boating. One yacht club I know of has just two members under
50.



You are correct that we need to get younger people into boating, but
that will be a challenge with much of generation X. A lot of these
"kids" are in their mid 30's, with little desire to own anything that
will tie them down, little desire to marry or start a
family.....(average age of first marriages is now close to 30 YO,
compared to early 20's a generation ago)....and many of them
don't have enough disposable income to contemplate spending the
$1000/month and more it usually takes to own, insure, maintain, and
operate even a modest boat. These kids have done the jet-ski thing and
crossed "boating" off the list of things to do, or are eating tofu
snacks on a remote island with a kayak beached nearby.

I'm not so sure I want to see boating further promoted. Many of the
places where I go have become so crowded that I have opted to take
days off during the week to go boating so as to avoid the mob at the
ramps on the weekend. Weekend camping/ boating trips have now turned
into Wed-Sat trips.

It's also safer on the water when you have fewer moving targets to
track at any one time. If the amount of stress exceeds the pleasure,
then you're not having fun anymore....

Just my two cents on the issue.

Dave

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:30:34 -0500, "NOYB" wrote:

Wayne,
Are you seeing any juvenile tarpon up your way? I've been reading reports
of lots of juvenile tarpon (15-30lbs) being caught in the Punta Gorda
canals
on white bucktail jigs.

==================================================

Interesting. I haven't seen any personally but I'll ask around the
neighborhood. We did have a school of fair sized fish in a feeding
frenzy right in front of the house the other day. I'm not sure what
they were but one neighbor thought they were "Jacks".

There is a seminar on local fishing being offered on Saturday morning
at the so called Cape Coral yacht club (actually a municipal
facility). I'm going to try and attend since I need to learn more
about fishing in this area. I trolled a couple of lures off the back
of the trawler coming north from Marco Isalnd a few weeks ago but no
hits. It would have been dumb luck but you never know.

Next time, try this:

Buy some Mann's Stretch 25+ and Stretch 30+ lures ( I like gold/black and
the purple mullet colors). Get two heavy rods spooled with a minimum of 30
lb. test and 50-60 lb. leader (fluorocarbon is best). Tie the line to the
Mann's Stretch 25+ and run that rod out the back of the boat about 150 feet.
Run the 30+ out about 75-100 feet. Troll those lures at about 4.5-5.2 mph,
and make sure you pass over all of the county artificial reefs (available on
the internet or on most fishing charts) in 25-30 feet of water. If the
lures are bumping bottom when you're over flat bottom, then reel them in a
little so they run shallower. These lures are designed to run at their
advertised depth (either 25 feet or 30 feet) when you troll them on 150 of
line at aobut 5 mph. If you increse speed or increase length of line, they
run a bit deeper. If you want them to run really deep (35 and 50 feet,
respectively), then use one of the ultra-fine braided lines.

This time of year, with the water temps in the low to mid 60's, the gag
grouper are in close on all of the near-shore reefs.

When the water temps start reaching 68-72 in the spring, then start trolling
spoons on a planing rig to get the lure down in the water column a bit. Use
wire leader! You'll catch some kings then.

In the fall, slow troll small spoons through flocks of birds working the
surface and you'll catch a ton of spanish mackeral.

Any other time, you can slow troll a deep diving Yozuri and maybe get lucky
with a bonito...but you've got a lot better chance by doing what I suggested
with the other lures.

Well now, my boating experiences on the Ohio River are minimal. I
bought a boat late last August. It was docked at a marina on the
allegheny river and the dock contract came with the boat. So I left it
there for the time being. My first trip out resulted in a dinged prop
(the Allegheny is low along shoregrin). Got that fixed and did one
nice little Saturday outing in Pittsbugh. Then Ivan came along and
washed out the Marina. My boat was found 80 miles or so downstream
after going over 4 or five dams - totaled. So after getting a little
insurance money and watching for a deal I bought my current 19 ft.
cuddy in November. I have not cruised the river with it yet.

On the other hand, I grew up on the Ohio River (Parkersburh WV -
Marietta, OH area) and boated and skied with my family. Various members
of the family own contiguous lots on the Ohio and they have their own
ramp etc. Mom's house is there, too and that is basically where I will
be keeping and using the boat. Since about 1994 I have owned a couple
jetskis I use there too. I finally decided to break down and get a boat
for the benefit of my two grandsons (5 & 6 years old). They like riding
the jetskis with me, but seem to enjoy boating with other members of
my family and that seems more their speed. The cuddy fits that need too
(naps, a port-a-potty, a little walking room, etc.) or I would have
gotten an open bow boat.

I will mostly be boating on the Ohio around Parkersburg/Marietta. This
is the pool between the Bellvue and Willow Island Locks - about 45
miles. It includes the Muskingum River and the Little Kanawa River
also. In boating I enjoy just cruising or even "boat floats" and sking
(not sure this cuddy will be real fun for that as the 3.0 L engine
isn't real powerful). I enjoy the Regatta at Marietta every year, the
various historical river attractions including Blennerhasset Island,
etc.

Right now I am a bit of a boat newbie just looking for discussions on
props, maintenence, and general boat talk. I think I know the basics
just from being around it, but just discussion is fun if it is somewhat
pertinent to you (ocean going isn't ever going to be pertinent to me,
but I still read it between the massive rants here). The poster I
responded to indicated that there were other newsgroups that were
boating specific that Krause hadn't yet completely polluted and I was
interested in finding those. (I picked on Harry because when I first
got my jetskis he was crapping all over rec.sport. jetski and along
with a few other assholes drove it into the ground even though it
always seemed to have more pertinent info than rec.boats has). It is a
shame that a few idiots can destroy every newsgroup that they target.
An off target rant now and then is good and fun and I admit that I
participate some in other groups I frequent (Mike G. knows what I
mean), but here it is 99.9%.

Wow, that was more than I intended to say - just got on a roll I guess.
The Other Dave Hall

The Other Dave Hall wrote:
Well now, my boating experiences on the Ohio River are minimal. I
bought a boat late last August. It was docked at a marina on the
allegheny river and the dock contract came with the boat. So I left it
there for the time being. My first trip out resulted in a dinged prop
(the Allegheny is low along shoregrin). Got that fixed and did one
nice little Saturday outing in Pittsbugh. Then Ivan came along and
washed out the Marina. My boat was found 80 miles or so downstream
after going over 4 or five dams - totaled. So after getting a little
insurance money and watching for a deal I bought my current 19 ft.
cuddy in November. I have not cruised the river with it yet.

Sounds like you had rotten luck, but at least it didnt put you off
boating. I'd guess that less than 1% of us here have written off a boat
due to hurricane damage.

On the other hand, I grew up on the Ohio River (Parkersburh WV -
Marietta, OH area) and boated and skied with my family. Various members
of the family own contiguous lots on the Ohio and they have their own
ramp etc. Mom's house is there, too and that is basically where I will
be keeping and using the boat. Since about 1994 I have owned a couple
jetskis I use there too. I finally decided to break down and get a boat
for the benefit of my two grandsons (5 & 6 years old). They like riding
the jetskis with me, but seem to enjoy boating with other members of
my family and that seems more their speed. The cuddy fits that need too
(naps, a port-a-potty, a little walking room, etc.) or I would have
gotten an open bow boat.

So you are old enough to know better. ;-) (otherwise known as young at
heart)

I will mostly be boating on the Ohio around Parkersburg/Marietta. This
is the pool between the Bellvue and Willow Island Locks - about 45
miles. It includes the Muskingum River and the Little Kanawa River
also. In boating I enjoy just cruising or even "boat floats" and sking
(not sure this cuddy will be real fun for that as the 3.0 L engine
isn't real powerful). I enjoy the Regatta at Marietta every year, the
various historical river attractions including Blennerhasset Island,
etc.

Right now I am a bit of a boat newbie just looking for discussions on
props, maintenence, and general boat talk. I think I know the basics
just from being around it, but just discussion is fun if it is somewhat
pertinent to you (ocean going isn't ever going to be pertinent to me,
but I still read it between the massive rants here).

Try to remember every strange way of doing things your relatives of your
parent's generation had then ask here *why* they were doing things thast
oddball way. To make thias place work the way its ment to *you* must do
what you can to help. Sometimes thats asking the right question,
other times if you are experianced with the problem its posting your
experiance and what you did to fix it, and just once in a while, all it
takes is just posting a link to a website you *allready* know about that
covers that exact issue. (90% of the planet knows how to use Google, the
remaining 10% mostly can't even use a keyboard)

The poster I
responded to indicated that there were other newsgroups that were
boating specific that Krause hadn't yet completely polluted and I was
interested in finding those. (I picked on Harry because when I first
got my jetskis he was crapping all over rec.sport. jetski and along
with a few other assholes drove it into the ground even though it
always seemed to have more pertinent info than rec.boats has). It is a
shame that a few idiots can destroy every newsgroup that they target.
An off target rant now and then is good and fun and I admit that I
participate some in other groups I frequent (Mike G. knows what I
mean), but here it is 99.9%.

95% of your problem is google groups. Are you reasonably comfortable
with PCs? If so, check out http://www.individual.net/ for a better way
of accessing this and many many other USENET groups. (This is *NOT* a
Google group and long precedes Google, whatever they would like you to
belive). What you choose from the group will be delivered to your PC
just like email for you to read at your leasure and reply to if and when
the mood takes you. Better yet, just about *any* of the different
software packages they have instructions for will allow you to filter
out 95% of the cr@p before it hits your screen. I filter on a long list
of political and 'war on terror' phrases and additionally on a long list
of posters who are a waste of electrons. Result: most of what I see is
boating related. Also the individual.net service is free. N.B. It is
well worth using a totally different program for newsgroups than the one
you use for email. It prevents you accidentally sending an email for
your doctor to the group and other worse things. While I'm on the
subject, its extremely unwise to use a valid email address on usenet
unless you enjoy reading spam. I hope the address you entered into
google is one you can easily throw away. (Its also extremely bad
manners to redirect your spam to someone else. The TLD '.invalid' is
guaranteed to NEVER contain any real addresses).

Wow, that was more than I intended to say - just got on a roll I guess.
The Other Dave Hall

For some of us an 19' cuddy would be a significant step up
Have a look at some of the boats of people here.
http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/

Lee Yeaton's main site http://thebayguide.com/ is also worth a look. You
wont find a link to it from the rec.boats pictures pages except on the
entry for Lee's own boat as Lee is very careful not to take any
commercial advantage from his position as custodian of the rec.boats
picture archive.

Stick around and wait for things to get better here. (Your elections
usually bring all the bottom dwelling trash feeders up out of the mud,
now thats over things should start to improve and when the weather gets
half way reasonable for an afternoon on the water or some spring
maintenance outdoors this group can get almost civilised.)
--
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