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The road is old and overutilized.

Kind of like the vaginal orifice on an old whore, eh?

Kind of like all of Florida, eh?

Everything in Naples is new...but it is overutilized.

That's odd. You sure try hard to push Naples as the best
place in

the



world. Well, you are wrong, as usual:
On the way to Naples' historic Pier is Palm Cottage, built in
1895

and



reputedly Naples' oldest house, where guided tours are
offered in
season. Other historic buildings include the Naples
Commissary

Building



in Olde Naples, dating back to 1903, and the renovated Naples
Depot
(1927), once the Naples Train Station and now displaying a
caboose

and



other railroad memorabilia. History buffs will also find much
of
interest at the Collier County Museum, which houses a
permanent
collection from Prehistoric times through to the present day.
You

will



learn about the early Indian settlements here and may wish to
go on

to



visit an Indian Village in the area, where genuine Indian,

hand-crafted



artifacts are sold.

Why not just post the web site from which you plagiarized your
information?

http://www.naples-florida.com/quicktour/history.htm

Good day, and Happy New Year!

John H

Why do so? NOYB won't believe it anyway! He only believes what
he wants
to believe. I've been to Naples. Many times. I know people
who's
families have lived in Naples for generations. It's just like
the time
that NOYB was trying to tell everyone here that Naples doesn't
have
swampbillies.



Naples doesn't have swampbillies. Perhaps you're referring to
Golden
Gate Estates? Yes, it has a Naples mailing address...but it's
not the
same Naples that a couple hundred thousand snowbirds come down
to visit
every year.

The median home price in Naples is just a hair under $400,000.
Swampbillies don't buy $400,000 homes.

You obviously haven't been to Naples in a long time...probably
not since
you worked parking lot security when the Wal-Mart was being
built.




I thought a swampbilly was a homeless person who lived in your
part of
the country...


If being homeless is the definition of a "swampbilly", then Naples
has no
"swampbillies". I have never seen a homeless person in Naples.

Then you are a blind man.


There are no homeless people in the sense that there are folks
sleeping on
the street. There are homeless people in shelters down here, no
doubt.


Coming back from a cruise to the Bahamas

last week, I was astounded at the number of homeless folks in
the
neighborhood around Capt. Harry's tackle in Miami...which is just
a
couple of blocks from the American Airlines (or whatever they call
it
now) Arena and the waterfront.

It's also on the cusp of an area that has undergone a lot of
change, and
there is a homeless mission not far from the store...or there was.


It's still there. Right across the street from Capt. Harry's.


Methinks you're just one of those good Christian Americans who have
no
idea about the poverty in their communities. The poverty rate in
Naples
city rose 50% between 1990 and 1996, and is now about the same as
the rest
of Florida, excluding Miami, which has a higher rate because of
factors
unique to it. Your poverty rate is about 10%.


Where are you getting your data? When you say "now", are you
referring to
2000 census data? Things have changed quite a bit in 5 years. Is
the data
specific to Naples? Or is it for all of Collier County, which
includes
several poor communities like Immokalee, Everglades City, and
Chokoloskee?

Regardless, living blow the level of poverty isn't the the same
thing as
being homeless. All homeless folks are below the poverty level,
but not
everyone who is below the poverty level is homeless.



Sheesh.

You live there and you're in the healing arts and you don't know
there
are homeless in your town?

I had no problem getting hits on "Naples" "Homeless," and these were
both in the city and in the county.

Both are your area.

He's grasping at straws, trying to uphold his beloved Naples. Look at
the previous post, first, he said there are no homeless, then, well,
there IS, but they're in shelters. Truth is, there ARE homeless there,
but they don't frequent HIS idea of Naples. You see, he also changed
the geographical limits of Naples in his mind, so it appears as nothing
short of Nirvana.

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The road is old and overutilized.

Kind of like the vaginal orifice on an old whore, eh?
Kind of like all of Florida, eh?

Everything in Naples is new...but it is overutilized.

That's odd. You sure try hard to push Naples as the best place
in
the
world. Well, you are wrong, as usual:
On the way to Naples' historic Pier is Palm Cottage, built in
1895
and
reputedly Naples' oldest house, where guided tours are offered
in
season. Other historic buildings include the Naples Commissary
Building
in Olde Naples, dating back to 1903, and the renovated Naples
Depot
(1927), once the Naples Train Station and now displaying a
caboose
and
other railroad memorabilia. History buffs will also find much
of
interest at the Collier County Museum, which houses a
permanent
collection from Prehistoric times through to the present day.
You
will
learn about the early Indian settlements here and may wish to
go
on to
visit an Indian Village in the area, where genuine Indian,
hand-crafted
artifacts are sold.


You know Bassy you don't have to prove how stupid you are
*every*
day....take a day off once in a while. ;-)

You trying to 'cow down' the deadbeat asslicker?


All in the same post:

First you assert:

Hey, Fritz, do you do ANYTHING besides call people childish names
while hiding behind usenet? Again, just like the 3rd grader who
calls
people names, then runs home to hide.

Then you state:

You are nothing more than a
bothersome gnat. I'm sorry that your wife ran off, but, hell, how
could
you blame her? She probably wanted someone who acted like a MAN,
instead of you.



Unbelievable.

It is pretty comical how easy it is to prompt asslicker into showing
what a
complete idiot he is.

And he wonders why he holds the title of 'King of the NG idiots"

Fritz, what do you find idiotic about my post? Be specific. Now, I can
be VERY specific about what I find idiotic about YOUR posts:
You NEVER, EVER post anything of any substance, OR anything relating to
the post. You simply call people childish little names in your feeble
attempt to be a man, after your wife ran off with your real manhood.


Un-friggin-believable.

I think asslicker is runnning scared that harry may steal his title of "King
of the NG idiots"

With posts like that.......harry doesn't stand a chance.

LMAO

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The road is old and overutilized.

Kind of like the vaginal orifice on an old whore, eh?
Kind of like all of Florida, eh?

Everything in Naples is new...but it is overutilized.

That's odd. You sure try hard to push Naples as the best
place
in
the
world. Well, you are wrong, as usual:
On the way to Naples' historic Pier is Palm Cottage, built
in
1895
and
reputedly Naples' oldest house, where guided tours are
offered
in
season. Other historic buildings include the Naples
Commissary
Building
in Olde Naples, dating back to 1903, and the renovated
Naples
Depot
(1927), once the Naples Train Station and now displaying a
caboose
and
other railroad memorabilia. History buffs will also find
much
of
interest at the Collier County Museum, which houses a
permanent
collection from Prehistoric times through to the present
day.
You
will
learn about the early Indian settlements here and may wish
to
go
on to
visit an Indian Village in the area, where genuine Indian,
hand-crafted
artifacts are sold.


You know Bassy you don't have to prove how stupid you are
*every*
day....take a day off once in a while. ;-)

You trying to 'cow down' the deadbeat asslicker?


All in the same post:

First you assert:

Hey, Fritz, do you do ANYTHING besides call people childish
names
while hiding behind usenet? Again, just like the 3rd grader
who
calls
people names, then runs home to hide.

Then you state:

You are nothing more than a
bothersome gnat. I'm sorry that your wife ran off, but, hell,
how
could
you blame her? She probably wanted someone who acted like a
MAN,
instead of you.



Unbelievable.

It is pretty comical how easy it is to prompt asslicker into
showing
what a
complete idiot he is.

And he wonders why he holds the title of 'King of the NG idiots"

Fritz, what do you find idiotic about my post? Be specific. Now, I
can
be VERY specific about what I find idiotic about YOUR posts:
You NEVER, EVER post anything of any substance, OR anything
relating to
the post. You simply call people childish little names in your
feeble
attempt to be a man, after your wife ran off with your real
manhood.


Un-friggin-believable.

I think asslicker is runnning scared that harry may steal his title
of "King
of the NG idiots"

With posts like that.......harry doesn't stand a chance.

LMAO

If you disagree with something, fine, Paul, then debate the issue. You
do NOTHING but act like a little child, and call names. NOTHING. No
debating an issue, no acting like an adult and working through
anything.

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The road is old and overutilized.

Kind of like the vaginal orifice on an old whore, eh?
Kind of like all of Florida, eh?

Everything in Naples is new...but it is overutilized.

That's odd. You sure try hard to push Naples as the best
place
in
the
world. Well, you are wrong, as usual:
On the way to Naples' historic Pier is Palm Cottage, built
in
1895
and
reputedly Naples' oldest house, where guided tours are
offered
in
season. Other historic buildings include the Naples
Commissary
Building
in Olde Naples, dating back to 1903, and the renovated
Naples
Depot
(1927), once the Naples Train Station and now displaying a
caboose
and
other railroad memorabilia. History buffs will also find
much
of
interest at the Collier County Museum, which houses a
permanent
collection from Prehistoric times through to the present
day.
You
will
learn about the early Indian settlements here and may wish
to
go
on to
visit an Indian Village in the area, where genuine Indian,
hand-crafted
artifacts are sold.


You know Bassy you don't have to prove how stupid you are
*every*
day....take a day off once in a while. ;-)

You trying to 'cow down' the deadbeat asslicker?


All in the same post:

First you assert:

Hey, Fritz, do you do ANYTHING besides call people childish
names
while hiding behind usenet? Again, just like the 3rd grader who
calls
people names, then runs home to hide.

Then you state:

You are nothing more than a
bothersome gnat. I'm sorry that your wife ran off, but, hell,
how
could
you blame her? She probably wanted someone who acted like a
MAN,
instead of you.



Unbelievable.

It is pretty comical how easy it is to prompt asslicker into
showing
what a
complete idiot he is.

And he wonders why he holds the title of 'King of the NG idiots"

Fritz, what do you find idiotic about my post? Be specific. Now, I
can
be VERY specific about what I find idiotic about YOUR posts:
You NEVER, EVER post anything of any substance, OR anything
relating to
the post. You simply call people childish little names in your
feeble
attempt to be a man, after your wife ran off with your real
manhood.


Un-friggin-believable.

Is there something there you disagree with? What would that be? Have
you ever seen Fritz post anything of substance, other than childish
name calling? If so, let's see it.

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JohnH wrote:




On 4 Jan 2005 13:14:21 -0800, "basskisser"


wrote:




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The road is old and overutilized.

Kind of like the vaginal orifice on an old whore, eh?

Kind of like all of Florida, eh?

Everything in Naples is new...but it is overutilized.

That's odd. You sure try hard to push Naples as the best
place in

the




world. Well, you are wrong, as usual:
On the way to Naples' historic Pier is Palm Cottage, built
in
1895

and




reputedly Naples' oldest house, where guided tours are
offered in
season. Other historic buildings include the Naples
Commissary

Building




in Olde Naples, dating back to 1903, and the renovated
Naples
Depot
(1927), once the Naples Train Station and now displaying a

caboose

and




other railroad memorabilia. History buffs will also find
much of
interest at the Collier County Museum, which houses a
permanent
collection from Prehistoric times through to the present
day. You

will




learn about the early Indian settlements here and may wish
to go
on

to




visit an Indian Village in the area, where genuine Indian,

hand-crafted




artifacts are sold.

Why not just post the web site from which you plagiarized
your
information?

http://www.naples-florida.com/quicktour/history.htm

Good day, and Happy New Year!

John H

Why do so? NOYB won't believe it anyway! He only believes
what he
wants
to believe. I've been to Naples. Many times. I know people
who's
families have lived in Naples for generations. It's just
like the
time
that NOYB was trying to tell everyone here that Naples
doesn't have
swampbillies.



Naples doesn't have swampbillies. Perhaps you're referring
to
Golden Gate Estates? Yes, it has a Naples mailing
address...but
it's not the same Naples that a couple hundred thousand
snowbirds
come down to visit every year.

The median home price in Naples is just a hair under
$400,000.
Swampbillies don't buy $400,000 homes.

You obviously haven't been to Naples in a long
time...probably not
since you worked parking lot security when the Wal-Mart was
being
built.




I thought a swampbilly was a homeless person who lived in your
part
of the country...


If being homeless is the definition of a "swampbilly", then
Naples has
no "swampbillies". I have never seen a homeless person in
Naples.

Then you are a blind man.


There are no homeless people in the sense that there are folks
sleeping
on the street. There are homeless people in shelters down here,
no
doubt.



Coming back from a cruise to the Bahamas


last week, I was astounded at the number of homeless folks in
the
neighborhood around Capt. Harry's tackle in Miami...which is
just a
couple of blocks from the American Airlines (or whatever they
call it
now) Arena and the waterfront.

It's also on the cusp of an area that has undergone a lot of
change,
and there is a homeless mission not far from the store...or
there was.


It's still there. Right across the street from Capt. Harry's.



Methinks you're just one of those good Christian Americans who
have no
idea about the poverty in their communities. The poverty rate in
Naples
city rose 50% between 1990 and 1996, and is now about the same
as the
rest of Florida, excluding Miami, which has a higher rate
because of
factors unique to it. Your poverty rate is about 10%.


Where are you getting your data? When you say "now", are you
referring
to 2000 census data? Things have changed quite a bit in 5 years.
Is
the data specific to Naples? Or is it for all of Collier County,
which
includes several poor communities like Immokalee, Everglades
City, and
Chokoloskee?

Regardless, living blow the level of poverty isn't the the same
thing as
being homeless. All homeless folks are below the poverty level,
but not
everyone who is below the poverty level is homeless.



Sheesh.

You live there and you're in the healing arts and you don't know
there
are homeless in your town?

I had no problem getting hits on "Naples" "Homeless," and these
were both
in the city and in the county.

Both are your area.


You posted very specific statistics for Naples. Where'd you get
that
data?


From my search. I got about 990 hits. I looked at a couple of them.

Why don't you just post a link to the stats? It should be in your
History
list.

Here, NOYB, call for yourself:

Petra Jones
Collier County Hunger and Homeless Coalition
c/o St Matthew's House
2001 Airport Rd S
Naples, FL 34112
P: (941) 774-0500
F: (941) 774-7146

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On 4 Jan 2005 13:14:21 -0800, "basskisser"


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The road is old and overutilized.

Kind of like the vaginal orifice on an old whore, eh?

Kind of like all of Florida, eh?

Everything in Naples is new...but it is overutilized.

That's odd. You sure try hard to push Naples as the best
place in

the




world. Well, you are wrong, as usual:
On the way to Naples' historic Pier is Palm Cottage, built
in
1895

and




reputedly Naples' oldest house, where guided tours are
offered in
season. Other historic buildings include the Naples
Commissary

Building




in Olde Naples, dating back to 1903, and the renovated
Naples
Depot
(1927), once the Naples Train Station and now displaying a

caboose

and




other railroad memorabilia. History buffs will also find
much of
interest at the Collier County Museum, which houses a
permanent
collection from Prehistoric times through to the present
day. You

will




learn about the early Indian settlements here and may wish
to go
on

to




visit an Indian Village in the area, where genuine Indian,

hand-crafted




artifacts are sold.

Why not just post the web site from which you plagiarized
your
information?

http://www.naples-florida.com/quicktour/history.htm

Good day, and Happy New Year!

John H

Why do so? NOYB won't believe it anyway! He only believes
what he
wants
to believe. I've been to Naples. Many times. I know people
who's
families have lived in Naples for generations. It's just
like the
time
that NOYB was trying to tell everyone here that Naples
doesn't have
swampbillies.



Naples doesn't have swampbillies. Perhaps you're referring
to
Golden Gate Estates? Yes, it has a Naples mailing
address...but
it's not the same Naples that a couple hundred thousand
snowbirds
come down to visit every year.

The median home price in Naples is just a hair under
$400,000.
Swampbillies don't buy $400,000 homes.

You obviously haven't been to Naples in a long
time...probably not
since you worked parking lot security when the Wal-Mart was
being
built.




I thought a swampbilly was a homeless person who lived in your
part
of the country...


If being homeless is the definition of a "swampbilly", then
Naples has
no "swampbillies". I have never seen a homeless person in
Naples.

Then you are a blind man.


There are no homeless people in the sense that there are folks
sleeping
on the street. There are homeless people in shelters down here,
no
doubt.



Coming back from a cruise to the Bahamas


last week, I was astounded at the number of homeless folks in
the
neighborhood around Capt. Harry's tackle in Miami...which is
just a
couple of blocks from the American Airlines (or whatever they
call it
now) Arena and the waterfront.

It's also on the cusp of an area that has undergone a lot of
change,
and there is a homeless mission not far from the store...or
there was.


It's still there. Right across the street from Capt. Harry's.



Methinks you're just one of those good Christian Americans who
have no
idea about the poverty in their communities. The poverty rate in
Naples
city rose 50% between 1990 and 1996, and is now about the same
as the
rest of Florida, excluding Miami, which has a higher rate
because of
factors unique to it. Your poverty rate is about 10%.


Where are you getting your data? When you say "now", are you
referring
to 2000 census data? Things have changed quite a bit in 5 years.
Is
the data specific to Naples? Or is it for all of Collier County,
which
includes several poor communities like Immokalee, Everglades
City, and
Chokoloskee?

Regardless, living blow the level of poverty isn't the the same
thing as
being homeless. All homeless folks are below the poverty level,
but not
everyone who is below the poverty level is homeless.



Sheesh.

You live there and you're in the healing arts and you don't know
there
are homeless in your town?

I had no problem getting hits on "Naples" "Homeless," and these
were both
in the city and in the county.

Both are your area.


You posted very specific statistics for Naples. Where'd you get
that
data?


From my search. I got about 990 hits. I looked at a couple of them.

Why don't you just post a link to the stats? It should be in your
History
list.

Here, NOYB, call for yourself:

Petra Jones
Collier County Hunger and Homeless Coalition
c/o St Matthew's House
2001 Airport Rd S
Naples, FL 34112
P: (941) 774-0500
F: (941) 774-7146


Thanks. They said that there are roughly 700 homeless people in Collier
County, but added that most of them were from Immokalee and other
surrounding communities. They couldn't say for sure how many were from
Naples.

There are 287,000 people in Collier County...700 of whom are homeless. I'd
like to know where Harry got his 10% statistic. And he specifically said
10% homeless *in Naples*.

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The road is old and overutilized.

Kind of like the vaginal orifice on an old whore, eh?

Kind of like all of Florida, eh?

Everything in Naples is new...but it is overutilized.

That's odd. You sure try hard to push Naples as the best
place in

the



world. Well, you are wrong, as usual:
On the way to Naples' historic Pier is Palm Cottage, built in
1895

and



reputedly Naples' oldest house, where guided tours are
offered in
season. Other historic buildings include the Naples
Commissary

Building



in Olde Naples, dating back to 1903, and the renovated Naples
Depot
(1927), once the Naples Train Station and now displaying a
caboose

and



other railroad memorabilia. History buffs will also find much
of
interest at the Collier County Museum, which houses a
permanent
collection from Prehistoric times through to the present day.
You

will



learn about the early Indian settlements here and may wish to
go on

to



visit an Indian Village in the area, where genuine Indian,

hand-crafted



artifacts are sold.

Why not just post the web site from which you plagiarized your
information?

http://www.naples-florida.com/quicktour/history.htm

Good day, and Happy New Year!

John H

Why do so? NOYB won't believe it anyway! He only believes what
he wants
to believe. I've been to Naples. Many times. I know people
who's
families have lived in Naples for generations. It's just like
the time
that NOYB was trying to tell everyone here that Naples doesn't
have
swampbillies.



Naples doesn't have swampbillies. Perhaps you're referring to
Golden
Gate Estates? Yes, it has a Naples mailing address...but it's
not the
same Naples that a couple hundred thousand snowbirds come down
to visit
every year.

The median home price in Naples is just a hair under $400,000.
Swampbillies don't buy $400,000 homes.

You obviously haven't been to Naples in a long time...probably
not since
you worked parking lot security when the Wal-Mart was being
built.




I thought a swampbilly was a homeless person who lived in your
part of
the country...


If being homeless is the definition of a "swampbilly", then Naples
has no
"swampbillies". I have never seen a homeless person in Naples.

Then you are a blind man.


There are no homeless people in the sense that there are folks
sleeping on
the street. There are homeless people in shelters down here, no
doubt.


Coming back from a cruise to the Bahamas

last week, I was astounded at the number of homeless folks in
the
neighborhood around Capt. Harry's tackle in Miami...which is just
a
couple of blocks from the American Airlines (or whatever they call
it
now) Arena and the waterfront.

It's also on the cusp of an area that has undergone a lot of
change, and
there is a homeless mission not far from the store...or there was.


It's still there. Right across the street from Capt. Harry's.


Methinks you're just one of those good Christian Americans who have
no
idea about the poverty in their communities. The poverty rate in
Naples
city rose 50% between 1990 and 1996, and is now about the same as
the rest
of Florida, excluding Miami, which has a higher rate because of
factors
unique to it. Your poverty rate is about 10%.


Where are you getting your data? When you say "now", are you
referring to
2000 census data? Things have changed quite a bit in 5 years. Is
the data
specific to Naples? Or is it for all of Collier County, which
includes
several poor communities like Immokalee, Everglades City, and
Chokoloskee?

Regardless, living blow the level of poverty isn't the the same
thing as
being homeless. All homeless folks are below the poverty level,
but not
everyone who is below the poverty level is homeless.



Sheesh.

You live there and you're in the healing arts and you don't know
there
are homeless in your town?

I had no problem getting hits on "Naples" "Homeless," and these were
both in the city and in the county.

Both are your area.

He's grasping at straws, trying to uphold his beloved Naples. Look at
the previous post, first, he said there are no homeless, then, well,
there IS, but they're in shelters. Truth is, there ARE homeless there,
but they don't frequent HIS idea of Naples. You see, he also changed
the geographical limits of Naples in his mind, so it appears as nothing
short of Nirvana.

It is Nirvana. And the high demand for real estate proves it.

NOYB wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


NOYB wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:



On 4 Jan 2005 13:14:21 -0800, "basskisser"


wrote:



NOYB wrote:



"basskisser" wrote in message

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NOYB wrote:



"Harry Krause" wrote in
message
...




The road is old and overutilized.

Kind of like the vaginal orifice on an old whore, eh?

Kind of like all of Florida, eh?

Everything in Naples is new...but it is overutilized.

That's odd. You sure try hard to push Naples as the best
place in

the



world. Well, you are wrong, as usual:
On the way to Naples' historic Pier is Palm Cottage, built
in
1895

and



reputedly Naples' oldest house, where guided tours are
offered in
season. Other historic buildings include the Naples
Commissary

Building



in Olde Naples, dating back to 1903, and the renovated
Naples
Depot
(1927), once the Naples Train Station and now displaying a
caboose

and



other railroad memorabilia. History buffs will also find
much
of
interest at the Collier County Museum, which houses a
permanent
collection from Prehistoric times through to the present
day.
You

will



learn about the early Indian settlements here and may wish
to
go on

to



visit an Indian Village in the area, where genuine Indian,

hand-crafted



artifacts are sold.

Why not just post the web site from which you plagiarized
your
information?

http://www.naples-florida.com/quicktour/history.htm

Good day, and Happy New Year!

John H

Why do so? NOYB won't believe it anyway! He only believes
what
he wants
to believe. I've been to Naples. Many times. I know people
who's
families have lived in Naples for generations. It's just
like
the time
that NOYB was trying to tell everyone here that Naples
doesn't
have
swampbillies.



Naples doesn't have swampbillies. Perhaps you're referring
to
Golden
Gate Estates? Yes, it has a Naples mailing address...but
it's
not the
same Naples that a couple hundred thousand snowbirds come
down
to visit
every year.

The median home price in Naples is just a hair under
$400,000.
Swampbillies don't buy $400,000 homes.

You obviously haven't been to Naples in a long
time...probably
not since
you worked parking lot security when the Wal-Mart was being
built.




I thought a swampbilly was a homeless person who lived in your
part of
the country...


If being homeless is the definition of a "swampbilly", then
Naples
has no
"swampbillies". I have never seen a homeless person in Naples.

Then you are a blind man.


There are no homeless people in the sense that there are folks
sleeping on
the street. There are homeless people in shelters down here, no
doubt.


Coming back from a cruise to the Bahamas

last week, I was astounded at the number of homeless folks in
the
neighborhood around Capt. Harry's tackle in Miami...which is
just
a
couple of blocks from the American Airlines (or whatever they
call
it
now) Arena and the waterfront.

It's also on the cusp of an area that has undergone a lot of
change, and
there is a homeless mission not far from the store...or there
was.


It's still there. Right across the street from Capt. Harry's.


Methinks you're just one of those good Christian Americans who
have
no
idea about the poverty in their communities. The poverty rate in
Naples
city rose 50% between 1990 and 1996, and is now about the same
as
the rest
of Florida, excluding Miami, which has a higher rate because of
factors
unique to it. Your poverty rate is about 10%.


Where are you getting your data? When you say "now", are you
referring to
2000 census data? Things have changed quite a bit in 5 years.
Is
the data
specific to Naples? Or is it for all of Collier County, which
includes
several poor communities like Immokalee, Everglades City, and
Chokoloskee?

Regardless, living blow the level of poverty isn't the the same
thing as
being homeless. All homeless folks are below the poverty level,
but not
everyone who is below the poverty level is homeless.



Sheesh.

You live there and you're in the healing arts and you don't know
there
are homeless in your town?

I had no problem getting hits on "Naples" "Homeless," and these
were
both in the city and in the county.

Both are your area.

He's grasping at straws, trying to uphold his beloved Naples. Look
at
the previous post, first, he said there are no homeless, then,
well,
there IS, but they're in shelters. Truth is, there ARE homeless
there,
but they don't frequent HIS idea of Naples. You see, he also
changed
the geographical limits of Naples in his mind, so it appears as
nothing
short of Nirvana.

It is Nirvana. And the high demand for real estate proves it.

Maybe is is Nirvana, in YOUR eyes. I've been fortunate enough to have
traveled all over FL for years, staying 8 months to a year in each
place, sometimes less. There are many, many beautiful places in FL. I
can't stand swampy places like Naples. I'm not keen on anyplace, either
coast, or inland, that is below S.R. 70. Too swampy, flat, and wet.
I've also been fortunate enough to have lived in several areas of the
U.S., and again, Naples, FL would rate very low in that catagory, too.
Real estate? Yes, the retirees that you fleece daily DO have money.

NOYB wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


NOYB wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
legroups.com...



JohnH wrote:



On 4 Jan 2005 13:14:21 -0800, "basskisser"


wrote:



NOYB wrote:



"basskisser" wrote in message

news:1104866287.844718.29410@c13g2000cwb. googlegroups.com...



NOYB wrote:



"Harry Krause" wrote in
message
...




The road is old and overutilized.

Kind of like the vaginal orifice on an old whore, eh?

Kind of like all of Florida, eh?

Everything in Naples is new...but it is overutilized.

That's odd. You sure try hard to push Naples as the best
place in

the



world. Well, you are wrong, as usual:
On the way to Naples' historic Pier is Palm Cottage, built
in
1895

and



reputedly Naples' oldest house, where guided tours are
offered in
season. Other historic buildings include the Naples
Commissary

Building



in Olde Naples, dating back to 1903, and the renovated
Naples
Depot
(1927), once the Naples Train Station and now displaying a
caboose

and



other railroad memorabilia. History buffs will also find
much
of
interest at the Collier County Museum, which houses a
permanent
collection from Prehistoric times through to the present
day.
You

will



learn about the early Indian settlements here and may wish
to
go on

to



visit an Indian Village in the area, where genuine Indian,

hand-crafted



artifacts are sold.

Why not just post the web site from which you plagiarized
your
information?

http://www.naples-florida.com/quicktour/history.htm

Good day, and Happy New Year!

John H

Why do so? NOYB won't believe it anyway! He only believes
what
he wants
to believe. I've been to Naples. Many times. I know people
who's
families have lived in Naples for generations. It's just
like
the time
that NOYB was trying to tell everyone here that Naples
doesn't
have
swampbillies.



Naples doesn't have swampbillies. Perhaps you're referring
to
Golden
Gate Estates? Yes, it has a Naples mailing address...but
it's
not the
same Naples that a couple hundred thousand snowbirds come
down
to visit
every year.

The median home price in Naples is just a hair under
$400,000.
Swampbillies don't buy $400,000 homes.

You obviously haven't been to Naples in a long
time...probably
not since
you worked parking lot security when the Wal-Mart was being
built.




I thought a swampbilly was a homeless person who lived in your
part of
the country...


If being homeless is the definition of a "swampbilly", then
Naples
has no
"swampbillies". I have never seen a homeless person in Naples.

Then you are a blind man.


There are no homeless people in the sense that there are folks
sleeping on
the street. There are homeless people in shelters down here, no
doubt.


Coming back from a cruise to the Bahamas

last week, I was astounded at the number of homeless folks in
the
neighborhood around Capt. Harry's tackle in Miami...which is
just
a
couple of blocks from the American Airlines (or whatever they
call
it
now) Arena and the waterfront.

It's also on the cusp of an area that has undergone a lot of
change, and
there is a homeless mission not far from the store...or there
was.


It's still there. Right across the street from Capt. Harry's.


Methinks you're just one of those good Christian Americans who
have
no
idea about the poverty in their communities. The poverty rate in
Naples
city rose 50% between 1990 and 1996, and is now about the same
as
the rest
of Florida, excluding Miami, which has a higher rate because of
factors
unique to it. Your poverty rate is about 10%.


Where are you getting your data? When you say "now", are you
referring to
2000 census data? Things have changed quite a bit in 5 years.
Is
the data
specific to Naples? Or is it for all of Collier County, which
includes
several poor communities like Immokalee, Everglades City, and
Chokoloskee?

Regardless, living blow the level of poverty isn't the the same
thing as
being homeless. All homeless folks are below the poverty level,
but not
everyone who is below the poverty level is homeless.



Sheesh.

You live there and you're in the healing arts and you don't know
there
are homeless in your town?

I had no problem getting hits on "Naples" "Homeless," and these
were
both in the city and in the county.

Both are your area.

He's grasping at straws, trying to uphold his beloved Naples. Look
at
the previous post, first, he said there are no homeless, then,
well,
there IS, but they're in shelters. Truth is, there ARE homeless
there,
but they don't frequent HIS idea of Naples. You see, he also
changed
the geographical limits of Naples in his mind, so it appears as
nothing
short of Nirvana.

It is Nirvana. And the high demand for real estate proves it.

Homes in Oakland, CA go for two or three times that. It is a crime
ridden hole, and is rife with homelessness, unemployment, murder, gang
activity, etc. So, to say that real estate prices define Nirvana, is
absurd.
Now, if you go he
http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/details/1247625.html
You'll see that the average price of housing in Naples is $166k, and
the national average is $219k. Using your analogy that Nirvana is
defined by housing costs, you'll see that Naples is much below
average....
Now he
http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/cities_table/
Money Magazine's most desirable places to live. Hmmm, Naples isn't
there! Oh, and Fritz, there are a few Atlanta suburbs listed
there......
Now he
http://www.cityrating.com/
Again for Fritz, Atlanta is a top ten city. Naples, FL isn't even
listed.
Forbes? Atlanta is #5. Naples, FL 53!
Shall I go on?

"basskisser" wrote in message
Maybe is is Nirvana, in YOUR eyes. I've been fortunate enough to have
traveled all over FL for years, staying 8 months to a year in each
place, sometimes less. There are many, many beautiful places in FL. I
can't stand swampy places like Naples. I'm not keen on anyplace, either
coast, or inland, that is below S.R. 70. Too swampy, flat, and wet.
I've also been fortunate enough to have lived in several areas of the
U.S., and again, Naples, FL would rate very low in that catagory, too.
Real estate? Yes, the retirees that you fleece daily DO have money.


Yes, Naples is the perfect 'hunting ground' for our NOBY.
He has a captive audience of thousands of snowbirds each winter that he can
gouge, fleece, con etc...and by the time they catch on, they are back home
up north. Most are probably well off and can absorb the 'hit'.
Nirvana indeed!

Don White wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Maybe is is Nirvana, in YOUR eyes. I've been fortunate enough to have
traveled all over FL for years, staying 8 months to a year in each
place, sometimes less. There are many, many beautiful places in FL. I
can't stand swampy places like Naples. I'm not keen on anyplace, either
coast, or inland, that is below S.R. 70. Too swampy, flat, and wet.
I've also been fortunate enough to have lived in several areas of the
U.S., and again, Naples, FL would rate very low in that catagory, too.
Real estate? Yes, the retirees that you fleece daily DO have money.



Yes, Naples is the perfect 'hunting ground' for our NOBY.
He has a captive audience of thousands of snowbirds each winter that he can
gouge, fleece, con etc...and by the time they catch on, they are back home
up north. Most are probably well off and can absorb the 'hit'.
Nirvana indeed!





Anywhere south of Orlando is not where you want to be from April through
October...too hot, too humid, too many incredible large insects.
Naples is where old folks go to live before they die.

"basskisser" wrote in message

Homes in Oakland, CA go for two or three times that. It is a crime
ridden hole, and is rife with homelessness, unemployment, murder, gang
activity, etc. So, to say that real estate prices define Nirvana, is
absurd.
....then...
http://www.cityrating.com/
Again for Fritz, Atlanta is a top ten city. Naples, FL isn't even
listed.
Forbes? Atlanta is #5. Naples, FL 53!

Ha! Atlanta *is* the definition of a crime ridden hell-hole. If you
compare it to Naples at www.bestplaces.com , Atlanta has 10 times the crime
rate that Naples has.

Atlanta is a good place to visit, or to be *from*. That's it.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jack Goff wrote:
Ha! Atlanta *is* the definition of a crime ridden hell-hole. If you
compare it to Naples at www.bestplaces.com , Atlanta has 10 times the
crime
rate that Naples has.

Atlanta is a good place to visit, or to be *from*. That's it.



Naples is like the old elephant graveyard...old farts go there to die.

Where is your place in Florida?

Actually depends where you are in Oakland, Ca. The range is from the old
ghetto area, which has a lot of really nice victorians if they were fixed
up, to the Oakland Hills, where a tear down small nice house on a big lot
will go for the $1,000,000+ price. And if it is a nice non teardown size
house the price can be $2,000,000+! How many $2mm+ houses in Atlanta?
Bill


"Jack Goff" wrote in message
m...

"basskisser" wrote in message

Homes in Oakland, CA go for two or three times that. It is a crime
ridden hole, and is rife with homelessness, unemployment, murder, gang
activity, etc. So, to say that real estate prices define Nirvana, is
absurd.
...then...
http://www.cityrating.com/
Again for Fritz, Atlanta is a top ten city. Naples, FL isn't even
listed.
Forbes? Atlanta is #5. Naples, FL 53!

Ha! Atlanta *is* the definition of a crime ridden hell-hole. If you
compare it to Naples at www.bestplaces.com , Atlanta has 10 times the
crime
rate that Naples has.

Atlanta is a good place to visit, or to be *from*. That's it.

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...


It is Nirvana. And the high demand for real estate proves it.

Homes in Oakland, CA go for two or three times that. It is a crime
ridden hole, and is rife with homelessness, unemployment, murder, gang
activity, etc. So, to say that real estate prices define Nirvana, is
absurd.
Now, if you go he
http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/details/1247625.html
You'll see that the average price of housing in Naples is $166k, and
the national average is $219k. Using your analogy that Nirvana is
defined by housing costs, you'll see that Naples is much below
average....


Hmmm. My link says that the median home price in Naples is $453,482.
http://www.internest.com/city/naplesfl.asp

Here's another link:
http://www.internest.com/city/naplesfl.asp

" In 2001, Naples appeared as #142 in a list of the US most wealthy towns,
with a median home price of $632,205. Even if you take into consideration
that the data may have come from a skewed source, it's not totally out of
line, if you consider that the US Census Data, notorious for being low,
shows Naples in 2000 with a median price of $416,000 which is almost 4 times
the national median price. "

Now that we've establised that the "median home price" is about 4 times the
national median average, how does the "average home price" compare?

From 2000 census data:
Naples: $185,605
US: $121,000
http://www.homegain.com/local_real_e...FL/naples.html


There's something wrong with the data in that money/cnn article. I suspect
it's from the 1996 census. Of course, the average home price went up 57%
from 1996 to 2003.
http://www.escapehomes.com/cities/Naples.htm


From my own personal experience:
I bought a house in 2001 for $409k and sold it last April for $560k. I
turned around and bought a house on the water for $825k. The prior owner
paid $320k for it in 1997. Down the street, the same house, in the same
square footage, and built the same year as mine just sold for $1.225
million...and they don't have a hot tub and a pool. That's in 8 months.
When I bought my house, there were 43 homes for sale in my
neighborhood...and only 9 of them were under a million. Now, there's 32
homes for sale, and only one of them is under a million...and it's 1500 sq
ft listed at $879k.

Why don't you satisfy your own curiousity, and browse the homes for sale in
Naples.
www.naplesarea.com

Do a search for homes from $2 million to over $20 million. You'll get an
error message saying that you need to refine your search because it returned
more than 250 homes. Do a search for homes priced between $150k and $200k
(you said the average is $166k, right?). What do you come up with? Less
than 40...and all in Lehigh Acres or Golden Gate Estates. Now refine your
search a little. Use the same prices, but limit it to single family homes.
Now make sure you exclude Zone 8 (Lee County) and Zone 7 (Golden Gate
Estates). How many homes do you come up with? Two. One is 1200 ft^2 and
the other is 1000ft^2.

How can there be more than 250 homes over $2million dollars, and only 2
homes under $175k, and the "average price" be $166k? Answer: there can't.
The CNN/Money numbers are wrong.

Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING MARKET IN THE
COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003), according to U.S.
Housing Markets. Factors contributing to the first-place ranking of Naples,
Florida home sales include a strong economy, an increase in jobs, a high
quality of life and very competitive pricing for housing. New construction
has been driven both by the demand from people relocating to this area as
well as part-time residents purchasing a second or third home in Naples.

The strong appreciation of single-family homes and condominiums in the
Naples-Bonita Springs area since 1990 has made a home for sale in naples a
solid investment. In fact, Kiplinger's RANKED NAPLES #3 IN THE TOP METRO
MARKETS IN THE U.S. FOR PROJECTED INCREASE IN MEDIAN HOME, 1999-2010.
Although well known for its luxury home market, more and more families have
discovered that Southwest Florida is quite affordable. Demand from this
market segment has resulted in a large selection of housing options, from
condominiums and coach homes to villas, single-family homes and custom-built
houses.

Quality of life remains a key issue to Southwest Florida's ongoing appeal.
Little wonder NAPLES WAS RANKED SIXTH AMONG THE "BEST SMALL PLACES TO LIVE
IN AMERICA"by Money Magazine and Bonita Springs was named one of "50
Fabulous Places to Raise Your Family" by Carter Press. Also, Bonita Springs
was identified by U.S. Housing Markets as the "5th hottest housing market in
the U.S" and the "13th best medium-sized Southern city" according to Money
Magazine.



http://naplesresidential.com/realestate.cfm

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How'd Snellville do?

"Harry Krause" wrote:

Jack Goff wrote:
Where is your place in Florida?


In NE Florida, where the summers are just about tolerable, and there is
a lovely fall and a short spring.


Is that imaginary house where you keep the imaginary lobsta boat? And the
imaginary Jag?

Giggle.

You're a hoot, Krause.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING MARKET IN
THE COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003),

Lots of turnover every day, what with the death rate, eh?

Number of sales were down the last half of 2004, but median house prices
went from the high $300's to the high $400's in just one year. I don't
think the death rate had anything to do with that.

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING MARKET IN
THE
COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003), according to U.S.
Housing Markets. Factors contributing to the first-place ranking of
Naples,
Florida home sales include a strong economy, an increase in jobs, a high
quality of life and very competitive pricing for housing. New
construction
has been driven both by the demand from people relocating to this area
as
well as part-time residents purchasing a second or third home in Naples.

The strong appreciation of single-family homes and condominiums in the
Naples-Bonita Springs area since 1990 has made a home for sale in naples
a
solid investment. In fact, Kiplinger's RANKED NAPLES #3 IN THE TOP METRO
MARKETS IN THE U.S. FOR PROJECTED INCREASE IN MEDIAN HOME, 1999-2010.
Although well known for its luxury home market, more and more families
have
discovered that Southwest Florida is quite affordable. Demand from this
market segment has resulted in a large selection of housing options,
from
condominiums and coach homes to villas, single-family homes and
custom-built
houses.

Quality of life remains a key issue to Southwest Florida's ongoing
appeal.
Little wonder NAPLES WAS RANKED SIXTH AMONG THE "BEST SMALL PLACES TO
LIVE
IN AMERICA"by Money Magazine and Bonita Springs was named one of "50
Fabulous Places to Raise Your Family" by Carter Press. Also, Bonita
Springs
was identified by U.S. Housing Markets as the "5th hottest housing
market in
the U.S" and the "13th best medium-sized Southern city" according to
Money
Magazine.



http://naplesresidential.com/realestate.cfm

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

How'd Snellville do?


I'm sure the trailer parks are just fine ;-)

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...
Actually depends where you are in Oakland, Ca. The range is from the old
ghetto area, which has a lot of really nice victorians if they were fixed
up, to the Oakland Hills, where a tear down small nice house on a big lot
will go for the $1,000,000+ price. And if it is a nice non teardown size
house the price can be $2,000,000+! How many $2mm+ houses in Atlanta?
Bill


"Jack Goff" wrote in message
m...

"basskisser" wrote in message

Homes in Oakland, CA go for two or three times that. It is a crime
ridden hole, and is rife with homelessness, unemployment, murder, gang
activity, etc. So, to say that real estate prices define Nirvana, is
absurd.
...then...
http://www.cityrating.com/
Again for Fritz, Atlanta is a top ten city. Naples, FL isn't even
listed.
Forbes? Atlanta is #5. Naples, FL 53!

Ha! Atlanta *is* the definition of a crime ridden hell-hole. If you
compare it to Naples at www.bestplaces.com , Atlanta has 10 times the
crime
rate that Naples has.

Atlanta is a good place to visit, or to be *from*. That's it.



http://www.rereport.com/alc/main.html

Median average
Oakland $480,000 $545,395

Pleasanton $725,000 $860,916

http://jacksonville.bizjournals.com/...7/daily16.html
Gwinnett County varies from $82,500 to $91,000.


And Oakland is a dump in your estimation, basslicker?

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING MARKET
IN
THE
COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003), according to U.S.
Housing Markets. Factors contributing to the first-place ranking of
Naples,
Florida home sales include a strong economy, an increase in jobs, a
high
quality of life and very competitive pricing for housing. New
construction
has been driven both by the demand from people relocating to this area
as
well as part-time residents purchasing a second or third home in
Naples.

The strong appreciation of single-family homes and condominiums in the
Naples-Bonita Springs area since 1990 has made a home for sale in
naples
a
solid investment. In fact, Kiplinger's RANKED NAPLES #3 IN THE TOP
METRO
MARKETS IN THE U.S. FOR PROJECTED INCREASE IN MEDIAN HOME, 1999-2010.
Although well known for its luxury home market, more and more families
have
discovered that Southwest Florida is quite affordable. Demand from
this
market segment has resulted in a large selection of housing options,
from
condominiums and coach homes to villas, single-family homes and
custom-built
houses.

Quality of life remains a key issue to Southwest Florida's ongoing
appeal.
Little wonder NAPLES WAS RANKED SIXTH AMONG THE "BEST SMALL PLACES TO
LIVE
IN AMERICA"by Money Magazine and Bonita Springs was named one of "50
Fabulous Places to Raise Your Family" by Carter Press. Also, Bonita
Springs
was identified by U.S. Housing Markets as the "5th hottest housing
market in
the U.S" and the "13th best medium-sized Southern city" according to
Money
Magazine.



http://naplesresidential.com/realestate.cfm




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---------------------

How'd Snellville do?


I'm sure the trailer parks are just fine ;-)



Most expensive single family home in Snellville.

1050 Laurel Cove Drive
Snellville, GA 30078 - Gwinnett Co.
$ 177,900 5 Beds, 3 Full Baths Status: PendingContract

Subdivision: Dominion Walk; Yr. Built: 1994

And this is upscale?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...

Actually depends where you are in Oakland, Ca. The range is from the
old
ghetto area, which has a lot of really nice victorians if they were
fixed
up, to the Oakland Hills, where a tear down small nice house on a big
lot
will go for the $1,000,000+ price. And if it is a nice non teardown
size
house the price can be $2,000,000+! How many $2mm+ houses in Atlanta?
Bill


"Jack Goff" wrote in message
. com...

"basskisser" wrote in message

Homes in Oakland, CA go for two or three times that. It is a crime
ridden hole, and is rife with homelessness, unemployment, murder, gang
activity, etc. So, to say that real estate prices define Nirvana, is
absurd.

...then...

http://www.cityrating.com/
Again for Fritz, Atlanta is a top ten city. Naples, FL isn't even
listed.
Forbes? Atlanta is #5. Naples, FL 53!

Ha! Atlanta *is* the definition of a crime ridden hell-hole. If you
compare it to Naples at www.bestplaces.com , Atlanta has 10 times the

crime

rate that Naples has.

Atlanta is a good place to visit, or to be *from*. That's it.




http://www.rereport.com/alc/main.html

Median average
Oakland $480,000 $545,395

Pleasanton $725,000 $860,916


http://jacksonville.bizjournals.com/...7/daily16.html
Gwinnett County varies from $82,500 to $91,000.


And Oakland is a dump in your estimation, basslicker?



Much of Oakland, sadly, is a dump. Is that where you live and drink, Bile?

Careful, you are about ready to explode!

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING MARKET

IN

THE
COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003), according to
U.S.
Housing Markets. Factors contributing to the first-place ranking of
Naples,
Florida home sales include a strong economy, an increase in jobs, a

high

quality of life and very competitive pricing for housing. New
construction
has been driven both by the demand from people relocating to this
area
as
well as part-time residents purchasing a second or third home in

Naples.


The strong appreciation of single-family homes and condominiums in
the
Naples-Bonita Springs area since 1990 has made a home for sale in

naples

a
solid investment. In fact, Kiplinger's RANKED NAPLES #3 IN THE TOP

METRO

MARKETS IN THE U.S. FOR PROJECTED INCREASE IN MEDIAN HOME,
1999-2010.
Although well known for its luxury home market, more and more
families
have
discovered that Southwest Florida is quite affordable. Demand from

this

market segment has resulted in a large selection of housing options,
from
condominiums and coach homes to villas, single-family homes and
custom-built
houses.

Quality of life remains a key issue to Southwest Florida's ongoing
appeal.
Little wonder NAPLES WAS RANKED SIXTH AMONG THE "BEST SMALL PLACES
TO
LIVE
IN AMERICA"by Money Magazine and Bonita Springs was named one of "50
Fabulous Places to Raise Your Family" by Carter Press. Also, Bonita
Springs
was identified by U.S. Housing Markets as the "5th hottest housing
market in
the U.S" and the "13th best medium-sized Southern city" according to
Money
Magazine.



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How'd Snellville do?


I'm sure the trailer parks are just fine ;-)




Most expensive single family home in Snellville.

1050 Laurel Cove Drive
Snellville, GA 30078 - Gwinnett Co.
$ 177,900 5 Beds, 3 Full Baths Status: PendingContract

Subdivision: Dominion Walk; Yr. Built: 1994

And this is upscale?




Real estate values first are local, crap-for-brains. Property values in
around around SF and LA are grossly overinflated, and hundreds of
thousands of dollars will buy you next to nothing. How many 10-year-old,
five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in SF might you find in
the SF SMSA? None?


Real estate values reflect the desire of people to live in the area. You
can find nice a five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in SF,
probably a lot more than 10 years old, and a hell of a lot more than
$177,500. Probably 10x more, as it is 10x nicer to live here than there.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING
MARKET

IN

THE
COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003), according to
U.S.
Housing Markets. Factors contributing to the first-place ranking of
Naples,
Florida home sales include a strong economy, an increase in jobs, a

high

quality of life and very competitive pricing for housing. New
construction
has been driven both by the demand from people relocating to this
area
as
well as part-time residents purchasing a second or third home in

Naples.


The strong appreciation of single-family homes and condominiums in
the
Naples-Bonita Springs area since 1990 has made a home for sale in

naples

a
solid investment. In fact, Kiplinger's RANKED NAPLES #3 IN THE TOP

METRO

MARKETS IN THE U.S. FOR PROJECTED INCREASE IN MEDIAN HOME,
1999-2010.
Although well known for its luxury home market, more and more
families
have
discovered that Southwest Florida is quite affordable. Demand from

this

market segment has resulted in a large selection of housing
options,
from
condominiums and coach homes to villas, single-family homes and
custom-built
houses.

Quality of life remains a key issue to Southwest Florida's ongoing
appeal.
Little wonder NAPLES WAS RANKED SIXTH AMONG THE "BEST SMALL PLACES
TO
LIVE
IN AMERICA"by Money Magazine and Bonita Springs was named one of
"50
Fabulous Places to Raise Your Family" by Carter Press. Also, Bonita
Springs
was identified by U.S. Housing Markets as the "5th hottest housing
market in
the U.S" and the "13th best medium-sized Southern city" according
to
Money
Magazine.



http://naplesresidential.com/realestate.cfm





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How'd Snellville do?


I'm sure the trailer parks are just fine ;-)




Most expensive single family home in Snellville.

1050 Laurel Cove Drive
Snellville, GA 30078 - Gwinnett Co.
$ 177,900 5 Beds, 3 Full Baths Status: PendingContract

Subdivision: Dominion Walk; Yr. Built: 1994

And this is upscale?




Real estate values first are local, crap-for-brains. Property values in
around around SF and LA are grossly overinflated, and hundreds of
thousands of dollars will buy you next to nothing. How many 10-year-old,
five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in SF might you find in
the SF SMSA? None?


Real estate values reflect the desire of people to live in the area. You
can find nice a five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in SF,
probably a lot more than 10 years old, and a hell of a lot more than
$177,500. Probably 10x more, as it is 10x nicer to live here than there.



Harry has led a sheltered life, always depending on his parents for support
(read his chronicles about the family boat store and marina) and shelter.
He also apparently has never wandered beyond the greater Baltimore area.
Don't be hard on him. I can understand his lack of knowledge on real estate
pricing.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING
MARKET

IN

THE
COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003), according to
U.S.
Housing Markets. Factors contributing to the first-place ranking
of
Naples,
Florida home sales include a strong economy, an increase in jobs,
a

high

quality of life and very competitive pricing for housing. New
construction
has been driven both by the demand from people relocating to this
area
as
well as part-time residents purchasing a second or third home in

Naples.


The strong appreciation of single-family homes and condominiums
in
the
Naples-Bonita Springs area since 1990 has made a home for sale in

naples

a
solid investment. In fact, Kiplinger's RANKED NAPLES #3 IN THE
TOP

METRO

MARKETS IN THE U.S. FOR PROJECTED INCREASE IN MEDIAN HOME,
1999-2010.
Although well known for its luxury home market, more and more
families
have
discovered that Southwest Florida is quite affordable. Demand
from

this

market segment has resulted in a large selection of housing
options,
from
condominiums and coach homes to villas, single-family homes and
custom-built
houses.

Quality of life remains a key issue to Southwest Florida's
ongoing
appeal.
Little wonder NAPLES WAS RANKED SIXTH AMONG THE "BEST SMALL
PLACES
TO
LIVE
IN AMERICA"by Money Magazine and Bonita Springs was named one of
"50
Fabulous Places to Raise Your Family" by Carter Press. Also,
Bonita
Springs
was identified by U.S. Housing Markets as the "5th hottest
housing
market in
the U.S" and the "13th best medium-sized Southern city" according
to
Money
Magazine.



http://naplesresidential.com/realestate.cfm





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How'd Snellville do?


I'm sure the trailer parks are just fine ;-)




Most expensive single family home in Snellville.

1050 Laurel Cove Drive
Snellville, GA 30078 - Gwinnett Co.
$ 177,900 5 Beds, 3 Full Baths Status: PendingContract

Subdivision: Dominion Walk; Yr. Built: 1994

And this is upscale?




Real estate values first are local, crap-for-brains. Property values in
around around SF and LA are grossly overinflated, and hundreds of
thousands of dollars will buy you next to nothing. How many
10-year-old,
five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in SF might you find in
the SF SMSA? None?


Real estate values reflect the desire of people to live in the area.
You
can find nice a five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in SF,
probably a lot more than 10 years old, and a hell of a lot more than
$177,500. Probably 10x more, as it is 10x nicer to live here than
there.

You expect SFB krause to comprehend simple supply and demand economics?

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING
MARKET
IN
THE
COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003), according to
U.S.
Housing Markets. Factors contributing to the first-place ranking of
Naples,
Florida home sales include a strong economy, an increase in jobs, a
high
quality of life and very competitive pricing for housing. New
construction
has been driven both by the demand from people relocating to this
area
as
well as part-time residents purchasing a second or third home in
Naples.

The strong appreciation of single-family homes and condominiums in
the
Naples-Bonita Springs area since 1990 has made a home for sale in
naples
a
solid investment. In fact, Kiplinger's RANKED NAPLES #3 IN THE TOP
METRO
MARKETS IN THE U.S. FOR PROJECTED INCREASE IN MEDIAN HOME,
1999-2010.
Although well known for its luxury home market, more and more
families
have
discovered that Southwest Florida is quite affordable. Demand from
this
market segment has resulted in a large selection of housing
options,
from
condominiums and coach homes to villas, single-family homes and
custom-built
houses.

Quality of life remains a key issue to Southwest Florida's ongoing
appeal.
Little wonder NAPLES WAS RANKED SIXTH AMONG THE "BEST SMALL PLACES
TO
LIVE
IN AMERICA"by Money Magazine and Bonita Springs was named one of
"50
Fabulous Places to Raise Your Family" by Carter Press. Also, Bonita
Springs
was identified by U.S. Housing Markets as the "5th hottest housing
market in
the U.S" and the "13th best medium-sized Southern city" according
to
Money
Magazine.



http://naplesresidential.com/realestate.cfm




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---------------------

How'd Snellville do?


I'm sure the trailer parks are just fine ;-)



Most expensive single family home in Snellville.

1050 Laurel Cove Drive
Snellville, GA 30078 - Gwinnett Co.
$ 177,900 5 Beds, 3 Full Baths Status: PendingContract

Subdivision: Dominion Walk; Yr. Built: 1994

And this is upscale?

It must be one of those double wide trailers. :-)

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Calif Bill wrote:

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...


"NOYB" wrote in message
...

Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING
MARKET

IN


THE
COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003), according to

U.S.

Housing Markets. Factors contributing to the first-place ranking of
Naples,
Florida home sales include a strong economy, an increase in jobs, a

high


quality of life and very competitive pricing for housing. New
construction
has been driven both by the demand from people relocating to this

area

as
well as part-time residents purchasing a second or third home in

Naples.



The strong appreciation of single-family homes and condominiums in

the

Naples-Bonita Springs area since 1990 has made a home for sale in

naples


a
solid investment. In fact, Kiplinger's RANKED NAPLES #3 IN THE TOP

METRO


MARKETS IN THE U.S. FOR PROJECTED INCREASE IN MEDIAN HOME,

1999-2010.

Although well known for its luxury home market, more and more

families

have
discovered that Southwest Florida is quite affordable. Demand from

this


market segment has resulted in a large selection of housing
options,
from
condominiums and coach homes to villas, single-family homes and
custom-built
houses.

Quality of life remains a key issue to Southwest Florida's ongoing
appeal.
Little wonder NAPLES WAS RANKED SIXTH AMONG THE "BEST SMALL PLACES

TO

LIVE
IN AMERICA"by Money Magazine and Bonita Springs was named one of
"50
Fabulous Places to Raise Your Family" by Carter Press. Also, Bonita
Springs
was identified by U.S. Housing Markets as the "5th hottest housing
market in
the U.S" and the "13th best medium-sized Southern city" according
to
Money
Magazine.



http://naplesresidential.com/realestate.cfm




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---------------------



How'd Snellville do?


I'm sure the trailer parks are just fine ;-)




Most expensive single family home in Snellville.

1050 Laurel Cove Drive
Snellville, GA 30078 - Gwinnett Co.
$ 177,900 5 Beds, 3 Full Baths Status: PendingContract

Subdivision: Dominion Walk; Yr. Built: 1994

And this is upscale?




Real estate values first are local, crap-for-brains. Property values in
around around SF and LA are grossly overinflated, and hundreds of
thousands of dollars will buy you next to nothing. How many 10-year-old,
five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in SF might you find in
the SF SMSA? None?



Real estate values reflect the desire of people to live in the area.
You
can find nice a five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in SF,
probably a lot more than 10 years old, and a hell of a lot more than
$177,500. Probably 10x more, as it is 10x nicer to live here than
there.


Yeah, but the point is, a $200,000 house is a $200,000 house. If you pay
a million and a half for it, you're an idiot.

A million dollar house for a million dollars is something else entirely.

This is even stupider than a basslicker comment. We crown you the newsgroup
idiot for the day.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Calif Bill wrote:

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...


"NOYB" wrote in message
...

Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING
MARKET

IN


THE
COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003), according to

U.S.

Housing Markets. Factors contributing to the first-place ranking of
Naples,
Florida home sales include a strong economy, an increase in jobs, a

high


quality of life and very competitive pricing for housing. New
construction
has been driven both by the demand from people relocating to this

area

as
well as part-time residents purchasing a second or third home in

Naples.



The strong appreciation of single-family homes and condominiums in

the

Naples-Bonita Springs area since 1990 has made a home for sale in

naples


a
solid investment. In fact, Kiplinger's RANKED NAPLES #3 IN THE TOP

METRO


MARKETS IN THE U.S. FOR PROJECTED INCREASE IN MEDIAN HOME,

1999-2010.

Although well known for its luxury home market, more and more

families

have
discovered that Southwest Florida is quite affordable. Demand from

this


market segment has resulted in a large selection of housing
options,
from
condominiums and coach homes to villas, single-family homes and
custom-built
houses.

Quality of life remains a key issue to Southwest Florida's ongoing
appeal.
Little wonder NAPLES WAS RANKED SIXTH AMONG THE "BEST SMALL PLACES

TO

LIVE
IN AMERICA"by Money Magazine and Bonita Springs was named one of
"50
Fabulous Places to Raise Your Family" by Carter Press. Also, Bonita
Springs
was identified by U.S. Housing Markets as the "5th hottest housing
market in
the U.S" and the "13th best medium-sized Southern city" according
to
Money
Magazine.



http://naplesresidential.com/realestate.cfm




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---------------------



How'd Snellville do?


I'm sure the trailer parks are just fine ;-)




Most expensive single family home in Snellville.

1050 Laurel Cove Drive
Snellville, GA 30078 - Gwinnett Co.
$ 177,900 5 Beds, 3 Full Baths Status: PendingContract

Subdivision: Dominion Walk; Yr. Built: 1994

And this is upscale?




Real estate values first are local, crap-for-brains. Property values in
around around SF and LA are grossly overinflated, and hundreds of
thousands of dollars will buy you next to nothing. How many 10-year-old,
five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in SF might you find in
the SF SMSA? None?



Real estate values reflect the desire of people to live in the area.
You
can find nice a five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in SF,
probably a lot more than 10 years old, and a hell of a lot more than
$177,500. Probably 10x more, as it is 10x nicer to live here than
there.


Yeah, but the point is, a $200,000 house is a $200,000 house. If you pay
a million and a half for it, you're an idiot.

A million dollar house for a million dollars is something else entirely.

Well in Snellville, you are not paying inflated union prices. And $900,000
of the $1mm is land value in places that people want to live.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Calif Bill wrote:

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...


"NOYB" wrote in message
...

Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING
MARKET

IN


THE
COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003), according to

U.S.

Housing Markets. Factors contributing to the first-place ranking
of
Naples,
Florida home sales include a strong economy, an increase in
jobs, a

high


quality of life and very competitive pricing for housing. New
construction
has been driven both by the demand from people relocating to
this

area

as
well as part-time residents purchasing a second or third home in

Naples.



The strong appreciation of single-family homes and condominiums
in

the

Naples-Bonita Springs area since 1990 has made a home for sale
in

naples


a
solid investment. In fact, Kiplinger's RANKED NAPLES #3 IN THE
TOP

METRO


MARKETS IN THE U.S. FOR PROJECTED INCREASE IN MEDIAN HOME,

1999-2010.

Although well known for its luxury home market, more and more

families

have
discovered that Southwest Florida is quite affordable. Demand
from

this


market segment has resulted in a large selection of housing
options,
from
condominiums and coach homes to villas, single-family homes and
custom-built
houses.

Quality of life remains a key issue to Southwest Florida's
ongoing
appeal.
Little wonder NAPLES WAS RANKED SIXTH AMONG THE "BEST SMALL
PLACES

TO

LIVE
IN AMERICA"by Money Magazine and Bonita Springs was named one of
"50
Fabulous Places to Raise Your Family" by Carter Press. Also,
Bonita
Springs
was identified by U.S. Housing Markets as the "5th hottest
housing
market in
the U.S" and the "13th best medium-sized Southern city"
according
to
Money
Magazine.



http://naplesresidential.com/realestate.cfm




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---------------------



How'd Snellville do?


I'm sure the trailer parks are just fine ;-)




Most expensive single family home in Snellville.

1050 Laurel Cove Drive
Snellville, GA 30078 - Gwinnett Co.
$ 177,900 5 Beds, 3 Full Baths Status: PendingContract

Subdivision: Dominion Walk; Yr. Built: 1994

And this is upscale?




Real estate values first are local, crap-for-brains. Property values
in
around around SF and LA are grossly overinflated, and hundreds of
thousands of dollars will buy you next to nothing. How many
10-year-old,
five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in SF might you find
in
the SF SMSA? None?



Real estate values reflect the desire of people to live in the area.
You
can find nice a five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in
SF,
probably a lot more than 10 years old, and a hell of a lot more than
$177,500. Probably 10x more, as it is 10x nicer to live here than
there.


Yeah, but the point is, a $200,000 house is a $200,000 house. If you
pay
a million and a half for it, you're an idiot.

A million dollar house for a million dollars is something else
entirely.

This is even stupider than a basslicker comment. We crown you the
newsgroup
idiot for the day.



Funny how SFB krause doesn't have a problem demanding people pay overly
inflated union wage rates.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Calif Bill wrote:

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...


"NOYB" wrote in message
...

Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING MARKET

IN


THE
COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003), according to

U.S.

Housing Markets. Factors contributing to the first-place ranking of
Naples,
Florida home sales include a strong economy, an increase in jobs, a

high


quality of life and very competitive pricing for housing. New
construction
has been driven both by the demand from people relocating to this

area

as
well as part-time residents purchasing a second or third home in

Naples.



The strong appreciation of single-family homes and condominiums in

the

Naples-Bonita Springs area since 1990 has made a home for sale in

naples


a
solid investment. In fact, Kiplinger's RANKED NAPLES #3 IN THE TOP

METRO


MARKETS IN THE U.S. FOR PROJECTED INCREASE IN MEDIAN HOME,

1999-2010.

Although well known for its luxury home market, more and more

families

have
discovered that Southwest Florida is quite affordable. Demand from

this


market segment has resulted in a large selection of housing options,
from
condominiums and coach homes to villas, single-family homes and
custom-built
houses.

Quality of life remains a key issue to Southwest Florida's ongoing
appeal.
Little wonder NAPLES WAS RANKED SIXTH AMONG THE "BEST SMALL PLACES

TO

LIVE
IN AMERICA"by Money Magazine and Bonita Springs was named one of "50
Fabulous Places to Raise Your Family" by Carter Press. Also, Bonita
Springs
was identified by U.S. Housing Markets as the "5th hottest housing
market in
the U.S" and the "13th best medium-sized Southern city" according to
Money
Magazine.



http://naplesresidential.com/realestate.cfm



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---------------------



How'd Snellville do?


I'm sure the trailer parks are just fine ;-)




Most expensive single family home in Snellville.

1050 Laurel Cove Drive
Snellville, GA 30078 - Gwinnett Co.
$ 177,900 5 Beds, 3 Full Baths Status: PendingContract

Subdivision: Dominion Walk; Yr. Built: 1994

And this is upscale?




Real estate values first are local, crap-for-brains. Property values in
around around SF and LA are grossly overinflated, and hundreds of
thousands of dollars will buy you next to nothing. How many 10-year-old,
five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in SF might you find in
the SF SMSA? None?



Real estate values reflect the desire of people to live in the area. You
can find nice a five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in SF,
probably a lot more than 10 years old, and a hell of a lot more than
$177,500. Probably 10x more, as it is 10x nicer to live here than there.


Yeah, but the point is, a $200,000 house is a $200,000 house. If you pay a
million and a half for it, you're an idiot.

The value of a house regardless of its location is what someone will
actually pay you for it. Ask you boy Chuckie, he knows this for a fact and
he spouts it on occasion.

A million dollar house for a million dollars is something else entirely.

You could offer me a million dollars for my house and I would accept your
offer making it a million dollar house.

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:46:57 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

Well in Snellville, you are not paying inflated union prices. And $900,000
of the $1mm is land value in places that people want to live.

=================================================

Around here in SWFL we actually have negative value houses, not
necessarily bad ones either. The implication being that vacant lots
are frequently selling for more than a lot and house together in
comparable locations. This is particulary true for waterfront
property where the house is more than 10 or 15 years old.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:1105238479.45f0efa35258cfa6e9b6fbd59361628e@t eranews...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Calif Bill wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Calif Bill wrote:


"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...



"NOYB" wrote in message
...

Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING

MARKET

IN



THE

COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003), according to

U.S.


Housing Markets. Factors contributing to the first-place ranking of

Naples,

Florida home sales include a strong economy, an increase in jobs, a

high



quality of life and very competitive pricing for housing. New

construction

has been driven both by the demand from people relocating to this

area


as

well as part-time residents purchasing a second or third home in

Naples.



The strong appreciation of single-family homes and condominiums in

the


Naples-Bonita Springs area since 1990 has made a home for sale in

naples



a

solid investment. In fact, Kiplinger's RANKED NAPLES #3 IN THE TOP

METRO



MARKETS IN THE U.S. FOR PROJECTED INCREASE IN MEDIAN HOME,

1999-2010.


Although well known for its luxury home market, more and more

families


have

discovered that Southwest Florida is quite affordable. Demand from

this



market segment has resulted in a large selection of housing

options,

from

condominiums and coach homes to villas, single-family homes and

custom-built

houses.

Quality of life remains a key issue to Southwest Florida's ongoing

appeal.

Little wonder NAPLES WAS RANKED SIXTH AMONG THE "BEST SMALL PLACES

TO


LIVE

IN AMERICA"by Money Magazine and Bonita Springs was named one of

"50

Fabulous Places to Raise Your Family" by Carter Press. Also, Bonita

Springs

was identified by U.S. Housing Markets as the "5th hottest housing

market in

the U.S" and the "13th best medium-sized Southern city" according

to

Money

Magazine.



http://naplesresidential.com/realestate.cfm



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How'd Snellville do?


I'm sure the trailer parks are just fine ;-)




Most expensive single family home in Snellville.

1050 Laurel Cove Drive
Snellville, GA 30078 - Gwinnett Co.
$ 177,900 5 Beds, 3 Full Baths Status: PendingContract

Subdivision: Dominion Walk; Yr. Built: 1994

And this is upscale?




Real estate values first are local, crap-for-brains. Property values
in
around around SF and LA are grossly overinflated, and hundreds of
thousands of dollars will buy you next to nothing. How many
10-year-old,
five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in SF might you find
in
the SF SMSA? None?



Real estate values reflect the desire of people to live in the area.

You

can find nice a five bedroom , three bath homes on a decent lot in SF,
probably a lot more than 10 years old, and a hell of a lot more than
$177,500. Probably 10x more, as it is 10x nicer to live here than

there.


Yeah, but the point is, a $200,000 house is a $200,000 house. If you pay
a million and a half for it, you're an idiot.

A million dollar house for a million dollars is something else entirely.


Well in Snellville, you are not paying inflated union prices. And
$900,000
of the $1mm is land value in places that people want to live.



I'd rather have a nice $200,000 three acre lot in a great area, and an
$800,000 house...than some old P.O.S. house in the SF area that runs a
million and needs another $500,000 invested in it to make it decent.

For a half million in Anne Arundel County, Maryland, you can buy a nice
new, 3000-square- foot brick home on a wooded lot a mile from Chesapeake
Bay, and for a bit more, on a deepwater creek that leads to the Bay.

SF is very nice, but so is the Washington, DC, area. I like to visit SF,
but I'd rather live on the East Coast.

The coastal part of Georgia is ok, but I don't even like driving through
the rest of the state. Savannah is a beautiful city.


SF, do not have to wonder if an electric snowblower is worthwhile. Do not
have to shrinkwrap the boat 6 months a year. And a long way from
Washington, DC: the logic free zone.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message East Coast.

The coastal part of Georgia is ok, but I don't even like driving through
the rest of the state. Savannah is a beautiful city.

The rest of Georgia doesn't like you driving through it. Although you'd fit
right in a backwater place like Snellville.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...


SF, do not have to wonder if an electric snowblower is worthwhile. Do not
have to shrinkwrap the boat 6 months a year. And a long way from
Washington, DC: the logic free zone.



There is no place on earth far enough away from Washington, DC: the logic
free zone.

Eisboch

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 04:33:57 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
link.net...


SF, do not have to wonder if an electric snowblower is worthwhile. Do not
have to shrinkwrap the boat 6 months a year. And a long way from
Washington, DC: the logic free zone.



There is no place on earth far enough away from Washington, DC: the logic
free zone.

Eisboch

Hey! Be nice! Some of us are forced to live in the zone 'cause that's
where our wives make all the money supporting our fishing lifestyle.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Oh, puh-lease. It's a dippy little SW Florida retirement area, full of old
f*rts.


Realtors reap rewards of fewer listings, higher prices
By THERESA STAHL, Naples Daily News

January 9, 2005

A year ago, Realtor Stacie Ricci was showing 120 different properties in the
Vanderbilt Beach area. This year is dramatically different, however, as
listings have spiraled down to around 40.

"I'm not complaining," Ricci said. "It's nice to be in a market where buyers
who are looking to purchase something are willing to pay the price."

The high price, that is.

Just before Christmas the lowest price on a beachfront condominium in
Vanderbilt Beach was $599,000, Ricci said. Now the lowest is $699,000.

The shortage of listings everywhere in Collier County, coupled with high
demand, is pushing up prices and turning out big profits for local real
estate agencies.

In 2004, Downing-Frye Realty Inc., one of the area's largest firms, jumped
to $2 billion in sales from $1 billion in 2003. John R. Wood Realtors is
reporting $1.8 billion, up from $1 billion the previous year.

Premier Properties of Southwest Florida Inc., which declined to release
sales figures, stated that it had a better year than Downing-Frye's
increase.

Mike Hughes, vice president and general manager of Downing-Frye, anticipates
more rapid growth in 2005 and an even stronger market.

"In three to five years we'll look back and see a bargain," said Hughes, who
this year added nearly 200 agents to his firm.

....

Local agencies report the market is flooded with investors who believe the
area still lucrative and baby boomers who are willing to pay a premium to
live here.

People turned from the stock market to real estate, said Tom Bringardner,
general manager of Premier Properties.

"They saw Southwest Florida as a safe haven for their money and a beautiful
opportunity for lifestyle," he said.

Peter Kollar, president of the Southwest Florida Real Estate Investment
Association, said finding properties of late is extremely difficult.

As principal broker of HouseTraders Realty Inc., he buys unwanted properties
to rehabilitate and sell for a profit. He said he used to make 10 to 15
acquisitions a month. Lately he's been down to two a month.

"There's plenty of investors looking for the same opportunities," Kollar
said.

Many who lost in the stock market have turned to real estate because it's a
safe investment, Hughes said.

"If you look at how this area has done, it's pretty hard to beat," he said.

The Florida Association of Realtors reported the median sales price for
existing single-family homes in November grew 15 percent over the median in
November 2003. At nearly $370,000, the Naples area had the highest median
sales price in the state.

Coming in second was West Palm Beach/Boca Raton at $343,300, and in third
was Fort Lauderdale at $303,300. The median sales price for the Fort
Myers/Cape Coral area was $197,800.

Despite fewer listings on the Multiple Listing Service, transactions still
are high. The association reported a 28 percent increase in transactions for
November over that month in 2003.

Hughes said the biggest contributor to the torrid sales pace of 2004 was the
influx of baby boomers.

"They're snapping up everything," he said.

Naples has seen only the brink of what's to come from southbound retirees,
Hughes said.

"I hear there are (several) million baby boomers coming into Florida," he
said, "and they're not stopping at Jacksonville." (too close to Georgia I
guess)



MLS shows that from July 1, 2004, through the end of the year, 4,200
properties under $1 million were listed for sale. Only 1,300 were available
at the end of December.

But the listing service only is part of the real estate story.

The Southwest Florida real estate market is so hot that many properties
never appear on MLS.

At Amerivest Realty in North Naples, which conducts much of its business on
the Internet, just half of its transactions appear on MLS, Amerivest
president Joe Ballarino said.

Strapped for listings, more and more agents are seeking out properties that
match their buyers' specifications by contacting past clients, soliciting
homeowners and hunting down new projects.

"If there's nothing they want, you go out and get them something," said
Ballarino, who is immediate past president of the Naples Area Board of
Realtors (NABOR).

Ballarino said the market conditions are saving time for agents because
buyers are moving fast, bidding at or close to the asking price. Some people
are buying property without seeing it.

For example, potential buyers will visit Naples and find developments they
like but nothing is for sale. When a property becomes available, they will
make an offer because they know it may not last long.

Ballarino said the biggest story of 2004 is that Florida's four hurricanes
didn't affect the real estate market here.

"It was as hot as before, if not hotter," he said.

The difference now is people want homes with updated building codes, which
has increased the demand for new homes, he said.

In this seller's market, buyers have become aggressive in chasing down their
ideal properties.

Coral Springs-based Zuckerman Homes has received more than 2,000 calls about
Mariposa at Whippoorwill, a 180-home development on Whippoorwill Lane in
North Naples. The community hasn't been advertised.

Ryan Zuckerman, vice president of the family-owned business, said the
company's 30-year reputation and a reasonable price range have contributed
to their success. The first four phases of the community have been sold by a
lottery and were met with heavy demand, Zuckerman said.

Homes in Mariposa range from $270,000 to $330,000. Zuckerman said other
communities along Whippoorwill start at $300,000 or higher.

"We're still a bargain for quality building," he said.

With low interest rates and hordes of baby boomers still to come to Florida,
local agency heads say the real estate bubble isn't going to burst.

"I get that question a lot," said Bill Coffey, broker manager for Coldwell
Banker Residential Real Estate Inc. "We're inflated here, somewhat, but our
supply of buyers is going to be fantastic" over the coming years, he said.

Marla Martin, spokeswoman for the Florida Associaton of Realtors, said
Realtors don't like the "bubble" term.

"There is no bubble," she said. "It's market supply and demand."

The market may slow down, she said, but Florida would be less affected than
the rest of the country.

Martin also points out that interest rates still are low, and that Florida
is affordable compared with other warm-weather states such as California and
Texas.

Hughes, of Downing-Frye, said the entire Southwest Florida corridor is "a
very hot market" and won't let up for at least a decade.

"We have never seen this many future buyers coming into our market," he
said.

"NOYB" wrote in message
...


Ballarino said the biggest story of 2004 is that Florida's four hurricanes
didn't affect the real estate market here.

"It was as hot as before, if not hotter," he said.



For reasons that are too goofy and complicated to easily explain, we have
two homes here in Jupiter, FL, (east coast) each on 5+ acre lots. The first
house was purchased 4 years ago, and the second was purchased last year.
Both are located within 15-20 miles of the landfall for two hurricanes this
past fall.

Due in part to the hurricanes and coming to our senses, we decided two
houses really are not necessary, so we decided to try and sell the most
recently acquired home. It had suffered some hurricane damage, mainly 15k
worth of roofing tiles (three buildings) and a large screen enclosure for
the pool that is estimated at 25-35k min. to replace if and when the screen
enclosure people can get to it.

Anyway, I expected a very weak market due to the negative image of the
hurricanes and figured it might take a year or so to sell. It was put on
the market the week before Christmas and we received two offers on the same
day the following week. We did not discount the property for the remaining
hurricane damage because we thought we would have time to fix everything.
The buyers have agreed to purchase the property "as is" and assume
responsibility for the rest of the repairs.

Our realtor had told us that the hurricanes had not dampened the housing
market in Florida at all.
I guess she was right.

Eisboch

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Oh, puh-lease. It's a dippy little SW Florida retirement area, full of
old f*rts.



Realtors reap rewards of fewer listings, higher prices
By THERESA STAHL, Naples Daily News


It doesn't matter. Naples is still nowheresville, where old farts go to
die. The fact that they die a lot results in a churning in the real estate
market.

Naples is too hot from March through October.

Not on the water it's not. I fish 12 months of the year. I'd rather have a
couple of months of hot/humid weather than 4 1/2 months of cold, grey, snow
and sleet.

Naples has no first-class museums or galleries.

Who cares? The weather is too nice to be indoors.

Naples has no first-class universities.

Once again...who cares? I don't want beer-swilling college kids making
trouble in my backyard. I had my fill of that when I was *in* college.


Naples has no first-class teaching hospitals.

Once again...so what? Who wants a student doc working on them? The Schick
Heart Center at Naples Community Hospital is ranked in the top 5% in the
Nation. We also had a Cleveland Clinic open about 4 years ago. Because the
area is so nice down here, it attracts top-notch physicians from around the
country.


Naples has no first-class cultural venues.

The Naples Philharmonic.
http://www.thephil.org/index2.html


The Barbara B. Mann Performing Arts Hall.
http://www.bbmannpah.com/



You guys do have good fishing, as does most of Florida, and I presume you
have lots of golf courses.

Excellent year-round fishing, boating, and golf. Those are the reasons that
I moved here.

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:24:44 -0500, "NOYB" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Oh, puh-lease. It's a dippy little SW Florida retirement area, full of
old f*rts.



Realtors reap rewards of fewer listings, higher prices
By THERESA STAHL, Naples Daily News


It doesn't matter. Naples is still nowheresville, where old farts go to
die. The fact that they die a lot results in a churning in the real estate
market.

Naples is too hot from March through October.

Not on the water it's not. I fish 12 months of the year. I'd rather have a
couple of months of hot/humid weather than 4 1/2 months of cold, grey, snow
and sleet.

Naples has no first-class museums or galleries.

Who cares? The weather is too nice to be indoors.

Naples has no first-class universities.

Once again...who cares? I don't want beer-swilling college kids making
trouble in my backyard. I had my fill of that when I was *in* college.


Naples has no first-class teaching hospitals.

Once again...so what? Who wants a student doc working on them? The Schick
Heart Center at Naples Community Hospital is ranked in the top 5% in the
Nation. We also had a Cleveland Clinic open about 4 years ago. Because the
area is so nice down here, it attracts top-notch physicians from around the
country.


Naples has no first-class cultural venues.

The Naples Philharmonic.
http://www.thephil.org/index2.html


The Barbara B. Mann Performing Arts Hall.
http://www.bbmannpah.com/



You guys do have good fishing, as does most of Florida, and I presume you
have lots of golf courses.

Excellent year-round fishing, boating, and golf. Those are the reasons that
I moved here.


Ask Harry how many universities, museums, teaching hospitals and
MacDonalds are in the metropolis in which *he* lives!

He may have a MacDonalds within 15 miles, but I doubt it.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:24:44 -0500, "NOYB" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Oh, puh-lease. It's a dippy little SW Florida retirement area, full of
old f*rts.



Realtors reap rewards of fewer listings, higher prices
By THERESA STAHL, Naples Daily News


It doesn't matter. Naples is still nowheresville, where old farts go to
die. The fact that they die a lot results in a churning in the real
estate
market.

Naples is too hot from March through October.

Not on the water it's not. I fish 12 months of the year. I'd rather have
a
couple of months of hot/humid weather than 4 1/2 months of cold, grey,
snow
and sleet.

Naples has no first-class museums or galleries.

Who cares? The weather is too nice to be indoors.

Naples has no first-class universities.

Once again...who cares? I don't want beer-swilling college kids making
trouble in my backyard. I had my fill of that when I was *in* college.


Naples has no first-class teaching hospitals.

Once again...so what? Who wants a student doc working on them? The
Schick
Heart Center at Naples Community Hospital is ranked in the top 5% in the
Nation. We also had a Cleveland Clinic open about 4 years ago. Because
the
area is so nice down here, it attracts top-notch physicians from around
the
country.


Naples has no first-class cultural venues.

The Naples Philharmonic.
http://www.thephil.org/index2.html


The Barbara B. Mann Performing Arts Hall.
http://www.bbmannpah.com/



You guys do have good fishing, as does most of Florida, and I presume
you
have lots of golf courses.

Excellent year-round fishing, boating, and golf. Those are the reasons
that
I moved here.


Ask Harry how many universities, museums, teaching hospitals and
MacDonalds are in the metropolis in which *he* lives!

He may have a MacDonalds within 15 miles, but I doubt it.

That's a long way to walk to work. Does he hitchhike there?