Also Sprach JohnH :

Why not? All I've read has been praiseworthy, and I've got to admit
it's a blast to drive. Comfortable too.

Mostly because I've "driven a Ford lately" and can't quite agree that
"Quality is Job 1."

Dan

--
I'm sure the Republican party will have a candidate strong enough
to beat Clinton in 2000.

-- Dan Quayle

"Marshall Banana" wrote in message
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Also Sprach JohnH :

Why not? All I've read has been praiseworthy, and I've got to admit
it's a blast to drive. Comfortable too.

Mostly because I've "driven a Ford lately" and can't quite agree that
"Quality is Job 1."

Chrysler has some issues, too. Or, perhaps I should call them "policies". A
couple of years back, I test drove an Intrepid. I hit a little bump and a
piece of the lower dashboard fell off. I mentioned this to the salesman upon
my return. He said they probably hadn't finished the prep work on the car.
Prep work involves assembling the dash? On closer inspection, they'd
tightened the screws so hard that the speed clips crushed the fiberglass
studs to which they were attached.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Chrysler has some issues, too.

Hi Doug: Did you forget that Chrysler is now not an American Car? I do
believe that it is now a German Car.

Jim Carter
Bayfield

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Chrysler has some issues, too.

Hi Doug: Did you forget that Chrysler is now not an American Car? I do
believe that it is now a German Car.

Jim Carter
Bayfield



Right. :-)

"Marshall Banana" wrote in message
...
Also Sprach JohnH :

Why not? All I've read has been praiseworthy, and I've got to admit
it's a blast to drive. Comfortable too.

Mostly because I've "driven a Ford lately" and can't quite agree that
"Quality is Job 1."

Dan

My last two Fords, a '94 and a '98 Explorer, each gave me less trouble than
the '89 Honda that preceded them.

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 21:19:10 GMT, "Jack Goff" wrote:


"Marshall Banana" wrote in message
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Also Sprach JohnH :

Why not? All I've read has been praiseworthy, and I've got to admit
it's a blast to drive. Comfortable too.

Mostly because I've "driven a Ford lately" and can't quite agree that
"Quality is Job 1."

Dan

My last two Fords, a '94 and a '98 Explorer, each gave me less trouble than
the '89 Honda that preceded them.

We've gotta stop sending the jobs overseas -- I say, "Buy American."

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 21:19:10 GMT, "Jack Goff" wrote:


"Marshall Banana" wrote in message
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Also Sprach JohnH :

Why not? All I've read has been praiseworthy, and I've got to admit
it's a blast to drive. Comfortable too.

Mostly because I've "driven a Ford lately" and can't quite agree that
"Quality is Job 1."

Dan

My last two Fords, a '94 and a '98 Explorer, each gave me less trouble
than
the '89 Honda that preceded them.

We've gotta stop sending the jobs overseas -- I say, "Buy American."

John, you've got to admit that the American manufacturers asked for their
problems back in the 1970s, by selling almost nothing but crap. They're
still paying the price.

On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:27:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 21:19:10 GMT, "Jack Goff" wrote:


"Marshall Banana" wrote in message
...
Also Sprach JohnH :

Why not? All I've read has been praiseworthy, and I've got to admit
it's a blast to drive. Comfortable too.

Mostly because I've "driven a Ford lately" and can't quite agree that
"Quality is Job 1."

Dan

My last two Fords, a '94 and a '98 Explorer, each gave me less trouble
than
the '89 Honda that preceded them.

We've gotta stop sending the jobs overseas -- I say, "Buy American."

John, you've got to admit that the American manufacturers asked for their
problems back in the 1970s, by selling almost nothing but crap. They're
still paying the price.


Readily admitted. Back then we weren't losing the jobs to outsourcing
that we are now. So many people whine about the outsourcing problems
and jobs lost by the Bush administration, and then they go buy a
Toyota. I can't understand the logic.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:27:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 21:19:10 GMT, "Jack Goff" wrote:


"Marshall Banana" wrote in message
...
Also Sprach JohnH :

Why not? All I've read has been praiseworthy, and I've got to admit
it's a blast to drive. Comfortable too.

Mostly because I've "driven a Ford lately" and can't quite agree that
"Quality is Job 1."

Dan

My last two Fords, a '94 and a '98 Explorer, each gave me less trouble
than
the '89 Honda that preceded them.

We've gotta stop sending the jobs overseas -- I say, "Buy American."

John, you've got to admit that the American manufacturers asked for their
problems back in the 1970s, by selling almost nothing but crap. They're
still paying the price.


Readily admitted. Back then we weren't losing the jobs to outsourcing
that we are now. So many people whine about the outsourcing problems
and jobs lost by the Bush administration, and then they go buy a
Toyota. I can't understand the logic.

How can you not understand? Millions of people got ****ed up the ass by the
American car makers. Those memories don't fade for many, many years. Toyota
offers cars that are damned close to perfect. Unless you require a "niche
car" like the one you bought, why gamble with an American car?

My brother in law used to bitch at me about how I was costing Americans jobs
by buying Japanese. My response was simple: My second Ford was in the shop 5
times in the first year (1975). My boss read me the riot act: Find a way to
get to work, or work somewhere else. In other words, the Ford was about to
cost me MY job. When it finally died, I bought a Toyota. My logic: If
American engineers can't build a car correctly, they deserve to lose their
jobs.

It's an interesting phenomenon in America: Pick 10 products, one of them
being a cars. For each product, ask 10,000 people what should happen to the
manufacturers of those products if they're poorly built for years on end.
For 9 of the products, people will say what they should: The manufacturers
should go out of business. For cars, they'll cut the manufacturers a
ridiculous amount of slack. It's as if cars have some sort of religious
status. I makes no sense at all.

Doug,
I can understand how you feel. I work as an electrician, for Ford at the
Romeo Engine Plant. I hired in the in 1989. Since we were building the
engine plant we went to a lot of classes. We learned that Ford changed its
way of doing business because of the Japanese. What you say is completely
true and very embarrassing. They're whole focus was on numbers, we've since
learnt different. Today quality is the first priority. Anyone can stop the
line if something is wrong. No we're not perfect but we sure as hell are
trying. The union has a quality rep that you can call if you feel quality is
being ignored. A lot of the members of upper management in the plant come
and go as they move up the ladder. But we as members of an engine building
team will either prosper or fail with this plant are here for the long term.
The product that we deliver to you determines our future. I assure you that
the majority of us are very concerned with quality. Doug, I appo;igize about
the past and hope you check us out in the future.
Paul

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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How can you not understand? Millions of people got ****ed up the ass by
the American car makers. Those memories don't fade for many, many years.
Toyota offers cars that are damned close to perfect. Unless you require a
"niche car" like the one you bought, why gamble with an American car?

My brother in law used to bitch at me about how I was costing Americans
jobs by buying Japanese. My response was simple: My second Ford was in the
shop 5 times in the first year (1975). My boss read me the riot act: Find
a way to get to work, or work somewhere else. In other words, the Ford was
about to cost me MY job. When it finally died, I bought a Toyota. My
logic: If American engineers can't build a car correctly, they deserve to
lose their jobs.

It's an interesting phenomenon in America: Pick 10 products, one of them
being a cars. For each product, ask 10,000 people what should happen to
the manufacturers of those products if they're poorly built for years on
end. For 9 of the products, people will say what they should: The
manufacturers should go out of business. For cars, they'll cut the
manufacturers a ridiculous amount of slack. It's as if cars have some sort
of religious status. I makes no sense at all.