I'm looking at a 1998 3650 Motoryacht and was wondering if anyone out there
has any experience with this vessel. Its winter in Chicago and I won't be
able to sea trial until spring. Is there something I should be looking for
that is peculiar to this boat?

The boat appears to be well maintained, low engine hours, everything looks
like new. It was out of the water all last summer as the owners moved.

Any experience with resale? Does it hold its value?

Any info would be appreciated.

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cell 708-601-4847

"Dennis T" wrote in message
m...
I'm looking at a 1998 3650 Motoryacht and was wondering if anyone out
there
has any experience with this vessel. Its winter in Chicago and I won't be
able to sea trial until spring. Is there something I should be looking for
that is peculiar to this boat?

The boat appears to be well maintained, low engine hours, everything looks
like new. It was out of the water all last summer as the owners moved.

Any experience with resale? Does it hold its value?

Any info would be appreciated.

--

cell 708-601-4847



The obvious question ... What make boat is it?

Eisboch

On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:08:09 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The obvious question ... What make boat is it?

Heh, it's a "Cruisers 3650".


http://tinyurl.com/5u2fq

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:08:09 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The obvious question ... What make boat is it?

Heh, it's a "Cruisers 3650".


http://tinyurl.com/5u2fq


Well, don't I feel like the horse's ass.

Completely missed that.

Eisboch

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:08:09 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The obvious question ... What make boat is it?

Heh, it's a "Cruisers 3650".


http://tinyurl.com/5u2fq


My only comments would be that personally, I'd much rather see a pair of
diesels in a boat that size rather than the gas engines, even with the very
low hours. I assume they are replacements, otherwise the boat must have
never moved.

I don't care for aft cabin type boats of this type, although others
obviously do. I've never owned one, but it would seem that the raised
cockpit could be somewhat uncomfortable in beam seas for some.

Otherwise, Cruisers, Inc. are popular boats and seem to have a decent
reputation.

Eisboch

Thank you for your comments. The interior space is what I like, the distance
from the aft deck to the water is a negative as we also like to fish. I
noticed a comparable Sea Ray, (design, year and length) is going for quite a
bit more than the Cruiser. I know initial investment is higher too.

Thanks again.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
. ..

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:08:09 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The obvious question ... What make boat is it?

Heh, it's a "Cruisers 3650".


http://tinyurl.com/5u2fq


My only comments would be that personally, I'd much rather see a pair of
diesels in a boat that size rather than the gas engines, even with the
very
low hours. I assume they are replacements, otherwise the boat must have
never moved.

I don't care for aft cabin type boats of this type, although others
obviously do. I've never owned one, but it would seem that the raised
cockpit could be somewhat uncomfortable in beam seas for some.

Otherwise, Cruisers, Inc. are popular boats and seem to have a decent
reputation.

Eisboch

"Dennis T" wrote in message
m...
Thank you for your comments. The interior space is what I like, the
distance
from the aft deck to the water is a negative as we also like to fish. I
noticed a comparable Sea Ray, (design, year and length) is going for quite
a
bit more than the Cruiser. I know initial investment is higher too.

Thanks again.


Gas powered boats of that size will be less expensive than a diesel equipped
boat. If the engines are new, as I suspect, it could be a good value unless
you intend to do some long range cruising.

The aft cabin design certainly adds a lot of interior space.

The first *larger* boat I wanted to buy was a Cruisers Inc., but it was sold
by the time I decided to make an offer.

In the event that you are new to boat purchases, don't ignore the
importance of getting a good survey. Also, all marine surveyors are not the
same in terms of their detail of inspection. My advise would be to find the
toughest, most unliked by dealers sob that you can find. It's worth it.

Eisboch

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:01:01 GMT, "Dennis T"
wrote:
Thank you for your comments. The interior space is what I like, the distance
from the aft deck to the water is a negative as we also like to fish. I
noticed a comparable Sea Ray, (design, year and length) is going for quite a
bit more than the Cruiser. I know initial investment is higher too.

==================================

If you like that type of boat you might also take a look at the
Mainship 37 motoryacht.

http://tinyurl.com/5vv29

A neighbor of mine has one and it's not a bad boat for its intended
purpose. All boats of this type tend to be a bit top heavy and will
roll in a cross sea. Fuel burn on my neighbors boat is about 2
gallons per mile at 17 knots, 1 gpm at 8 knots, typical for twin 454s.

I owned a 1996 3650 for several years. It was equipped with the 350 hp
Crusaders and a great suite of electronics. We loved it, despite its
prodigious appetite for gas. Construction quality was very good. We had no
issues with cheap hardware or subpar glasswork. No window leaks

There are a few gotchas. The vent line from the hull to the waste holding
tank has a tendency to kink, leading to head odor. Not pleasant. The
mechanics I consulted simply wanted to keep replacing the inline filter, but
finally I traced the line and found that there was a poorly designed hose
routing inside the undersink cabinet in the guest head. The hose made a 90
degree turn and wold collapse there.

Other than that, we had more or less typical problems with electronics you
find on a boat this age, especially the climate control panel. The buttons
started working intermittently. This was right around the time we sold it,
and I never did get around to fixing it.

The boat will make about 15-17 knots, unless you really want to push it,
then you might get 24 if you have a nice clean bottom. We ran among the
shallows of SW Florida and were really pleased with the shallow draft.
Handling is as you would expect given a boat with such a high center of
gravity. Definitely not a sport boat, but oh, that interior room is nice.
(We have a family of 5 and would routinely spend a week aboard at a time.)
There is also a lot of windage. Docking in a crosswind is quite the
adventure the first few times. However, I got to the point where I almost
couldn't dock when the wind was calm. Control authority is pretty good.

You need a swim platform if you plan to do much fishing or haul a dinghy.
Ours was not equipped with one and that was one thing I missed. We ended up
using an inflatable on the bow, but that was not ideal. There is a snap in
carpet for the aft deck, and we found it easiest to just leave it in the
dock box.

As for resale, I believe they're not as bad as some boats, but my experience
was affected by timing. I put mine on the market on Sept 10, 2001. As you
might imagine, the bottom fell out of the market the next day.

I could ramble on for hours. Any other questions, feel free to contact me
offline.

Ken

"Dennis T" wrote in message
m...
I'm looking at a 1998 3650 Motoryacht and was wondering if anyone out
there has any experience with this vessel. Its winter in Chicago and I
won't be able to sea trial until spring. Is there something I should be
looking for that is peculiar to this boat?

The boat appears to be well maintained, low engine hours, everything looks
like new. It was out of the water all last summer as the owners moved.

Any experience with resale? Does it hold its value?

Any info would be appreciated.

--

cell 708-601-4847

Ken,

I hope you don't mind another question. With the holidays we haven't really
proceeded much further than my original post except that I continued looking
at boats and have since talked with another boat dealer. This guy claims
that this type of boat was good for tying up to the dock and staying on it
for the weekend due to a high center of gravity. He claims it rolls a lot on
any type of water except for glass seas due to so much of the boat being out
of the water and having such a shallow draft.

You mentioned the shallow draft as a positive but you experienced a lot of
windage. Did the windage you experienced cause the boat to roll? Do you
think it could be due to a shallow draft? Have you had any handling problems
when you were under way with 2 -3 ft seas and a crosswind?

We live in Chicago and Lake MI is our primary body of water. Its unusual for
it to be perfectly calm. The norm is 2 -3 footers, sometimes we go out in 4
footers. That's about our limit...so far. Winds vary.

I know the other salesman I talked with is trying to sell me a boat he has
in stock (Tiara express cruiser) but he did hit on some things you mentioned
in your description. Any add'l info you can give me would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Dennis

"Ken Ibold" wrote in message
. ..
I owned a 1996 3650 for several years. It was equipped with the 350 hp
Crusaders and a great suite of electronics. We loved it, despite its
prodigious appetite for gas. Construction quality was very good. We had no
issues with cheap hardware or subpar glasswork. No window leaks

There are a few gotchas. The vent line from the hull to the waste holding
tank has a tendency to kink, leading to head odor. Not pleasant. The
mechanics I consulted simply wanted to keep replacing the inline filter,
but finally I traced the line and found that there was a poorly designed
hose routing inside the undersink cabinet in the guest head. The hose made
a 90 degree turn and wold collapse there.

Other than that, we had more or less typical problems with electronics you
find on a boat this age, especially the climate control panel. The buttons
started working intermittently. This was right around the time we sold it,
and I never did get around to fixing it.

The boat will make about 15-17 knots, unless you really want to push it,
then you might get 24 if you have a nice clean bottom. We ran among the
shallows of SW Florida and were really pleased with the shallow draft.
Handling is as you would expect given a boat with such a high center of
gravity. Definitely not a sport boat, but oh, that interior room is nice.
(We have a family of 5 and would routinely spend a week aboard at a time.)
There is also a lot of windage. Docking in a crosswind is quite the
adventure the first few times. However, I got to the point where I almost
couldn't dock when the wind was calm. Control authority is pretty good.

You need a swim platform if you plan to do much fishing or haul a dinghy.
Ours was not equipped with one and that was one thing I missed. We ended
up using an inflatable on the bow, but that was not ideal. There is a snap
in carpet for the aft deck, and we found it easiest to just leave it in
the dock box.

As for resale, I believe they're not as bad as some boats, but my
experience was affected by timing. I put mine on the market on Sept 10,
2001. As you might imagine, the bottom fell out of the market the next
day.

I could ramble on for hours. Any other questions, feel free to contact me
offline.

Ken

"Dennis T" wrote in message
m...
I'm looking at a 1998 3650 Motoryacht and was wondering if anyone out
there has any experience with this vessel. Its winter in Chicago and I
won't be able to sea trial until spring. Is there something I should be
looking for that is peculiar to this boat?

The boat appears to be well maintained, low engine hours, everything
looks like new. It was out of the water all last summer as the owners
moved.

Any experience with resale? Does it hold its value?

Any info would be appreciated.

--

cell 708-601-4847