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OT--Absolutely sick. And it happens in the Netherlands.
Netherlands Hospital Euthanizes Babies By TOBY STERLING, Associated Press Writer AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - Raising the stakes in an excruciating ethical debate, a hospital in the Netherlands - the first nation to permit euthanasia - recently proposed guidelines for mercy killings of terminally ill newborns, and then made a startling revelation: It has already begun carrying out such procedures in a handful of cases and reporting them to the government. The announcement last month by the Groningen Academic Hospital came amid a growing discussion in Holland on whether to legalize euthanasia on people incapable of deciding for themselves whether they want to end their lives - a prospect viewed with horror by euthanasia opponents and as a natural evolution by advocates. In August, the main Dutch doctors' association KNMG urged the Health Ministry to create an independent board to review euthanasia cases for terminally ill people "with no free will," including children, the severely mentally retarded, and people left in an irreversible coma after an accident. The Health Ministry is preparing its response to the request, a spokesman said, and it may come as soon as December. Three years ago, the Dutch parliament made it legal for doctors to inject a sedative and a lethal dose of muscle relaxant at the request of adult patients suffering great pain with no hope of relief. The Groningen Protocol, as the hospital's guidelines have come to be known, would create a legal framework for permitting doctors to actively end the life of newborns deemed to be in similar pain from incurable disease or extreme deformities. The guideline says euthanasia is acceptable when the child's medical team and independent doctors agree the pain cannot be eased and there is no prospect for improvement, and when parents think it's best. Examples include extremely premature births, where children suffer brain damage from bleeding and convulsions; and diseases where a child could only survive on life support for the rest of its life such as spina bifida and epidermosis bullosa, a blistering illness. The hospital said it carried out four such mercy killings in 2003, and reported all cases to government prosecutors - but there have been no legal proceedings taken against them. Catholic organizations and the Vatican have reacted with outrage to Groningen's announcement, and U.S. euthanasia opponents contend that the proposal shows the Dutch have lost their moral compass. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lost their moral compass indeed! Meanwhile, Democrats are working fervently to turn the US into the Netherlands. They'll never get it...and that's why their party will continue to fade away into oblivion. It's better that the American people are the ones to remove the Democratic party's stain of immorality from our country's moral fiber rather than waiting until things get so bad that God decides to do it for us. He has a history of being less that descriminate in his methods, and I'd hate for the decent people to pay for the sins of the immoral minority. |
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NOYB wrote:
Netherlands Hospital Euthanizes Babies By TOBY STERLING, Associated Press Writer AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - Raising the stakes in an excruciating ethical debate, a hospital in the Netherlands - the first nation to permit euthanasia - recently proposed guidelines for mercy killings of terminally ill newborns, and then made a startling revelation: It has already begun carrying out such procedures in a handful of cases and reporting them to the government. The announcement last month by the Groningen Academic Hospital came amid a growing discussion in Holland on whether to legalize euthanasia on people incapable of deciding for themselves whether they want to end their lives - a prospect viewed with horror by euthanasia opponents and as a natural evolution by advocates. Lost their moral compass indeed! Meanwhile, Democrats are working fervently to turn the US into the Netherlands. They'll never get it...and that's why their party will continue to fade away into oblivion. It's better that the American people are the ones to remove the Democratic party's stain of immorality from our country's moral fiber rather than waiting until things get so bad that God decides to do it for us. He has a history of being less that descriminate in his methods, and I'd hate for the decent people to pay for the sins of the immoral minority. The USA doeswn't have a moral compass...or in fact any morality on any significant issue. And while we all here understand your attempt to provoke, you're not going to get anywhere. This country is going straight down the tubes, and you are young enough so that you will suffer all along the way. The government will assert control over your profession, and your children will live in a nation of limited opportunities, and probably will end up with menial, third-world jobs at some point in their lifetimes, no matter what their educations. The USA has become passe in the court of world opinion and, in reality, in the ability to project power over anything of importance. It has nothing to do with Democrats, or with what you think is morality or immorality. It has everything to do with fascism. Look up the post Nuremberg laws of the Third Reich...see if you find anything familiar. We're going to find ourselves in a never-ending series of real jams in the not too distant future. Some will be internal, some external, and some of both will result from the actions of our enemies and some from the actions of our friends abroad and our former friends. They are not going to sit around and wait for the smoke to clear. Jesus is not going to save this country. If he exists at all as the Big Kahuna, he washed his hands of us when we lost our vision, our leadership and our courage in January 2001. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:1101844870.QH79jpUfk8ZhJ2mOOR+a5w@teranews... NOYB wrote: Netherlands Hospital Euthanizes Babies By TOBY STERLING, Associated Press Writer AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - Raising the stakes in an excruciating ethical debate, a hospital in the Netherlands - the first nation to permit euthanasia - recently proposed guidelines for mercy killings of terminally ill newborns, and then made a startling revelation: It has already begun carrying out such procedures in a handful of cases and reporting them to the government. The announcement last month by the Groningen Academic Hospital came amid a growing discussion in Holland on whether to legalize euthanasia on people incapable of deciding for themselves whether they want to end their lives - a prospect viewed with horror by euthanasia opponents and as a natural evolution by advocates. Lost their moral compass indeed! Meanwhile, Democrats are working fervently to turn the US into the Netherlands. They'll never get it...and that's why their party will continue to fade away into oblivion. It's better that the American people are the ones to remove the Democratic party's stain of immorality from our country's moral fiber rather than waiting until things get so bad that God decides to do it for us. He has a history of being less that descriminate in his methods, and I'd hate for the decent people to pay for the sins of the immoral minority. The USA doeswn't have a moral compass...or in fact any morality on any significant issue. And while we all here understand your attempt to provoke, you're not going to get anywhere. This country is going straight down the tubes, and you are young enough so that you will suffer all along the way. Suffer? Why would I suffer? Things are absolutely superb! The government will assert control over your profession, Not as long as we keep the Democratic party in the minority. and your children will live in a nation of limited opportunities, and probably will end up with menial, third-world jobs at some point in their lifetimes Yes. Perhaps during high school. Or summers during college. no matter what their educations. There will always be well-paying jobs in this country for people willing to work hard and stay abreast of the latest innovations. Right now, if you know a trade, you're practically bullet-proof. Perhaps they'll be journeyman? Non-union of course. The USA has become passe in the court of world opinion and, in reality, in the ability to project power over anything of importance. The only thing passe is the Democratic Party. It has nothing to do with Democrats, or with what you think is morality or immorality. It has everything to do with fascism. Look up the post Nuremberg laws of the Third Reich...see if you find anything familiar. "post-Nuremberg laws" of the Third Reich? Don't you mean the Nuremberg Laws? And how do you believe they are familiar with anything happening today? |
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message It has nothing to do with Democrats, or with what you think is morality or immorality. It has everything to do with fascism. Look up the post Nuremberg laws of the Third Reich...see if you find anything familiar. "post-Nuremberg laws" of the Third Reich? Don't you mean the Nuremberg Laws? And how do you believe they are familiar with anything happening today? No, I mean the laws the reich passed after the initial biggies. The ones that parallel the unPatriot Act. |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:58:25 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: NOYB wrote: Netherlands Hospital Euthanizes Babies By TOBY STERLING, Associated Press Writer AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - Raising the stakes in an excruciating ethical debate, a hospital in the Netherlands - the first nation to permit euthanasia - recently proposed guidelines for mercy killings of terminally ill newborns, and then made a startling revelation: It has already begun carrying out such procedures in a handful of cases and reporting them to the government. The announcement last month by the Groningen Academic Hospital came amid a growing discussion in Holland on whether to legalize euthanasia on people incapable of deciding for themselves whether they want to end their lives - a prospect viewed with horror by euthanasia opponents and as a natural evolution by advocates. Lost their moral compass indeed! Meanwhile, Democrats are working fervently to turn the US into the Netherlands. They'll never get it...and that's why their party will continue to fade away into oblivion. It's better that the American people are the ones to remove the Democratic party's stain of immorality from our country's moral fiber rather than waiting until things get so bad that God decides to do it for us. He has a history of being less that descriminate in his methods, and I'd hate for the decent people to pay for the sins of the immoral minority. The USA doeswn't have a moral compass...or in fact any morality on any significant issue. And while we all here understand your attempt to provoke, you're not going to get anywhere. This country is going straight down the tubes, and you are young enough so that you will suffer all along the way. The government will assert control over your profession, and your children will live in a nation of limited opportunities, and probably will end up with menial, third-world jobs at some point in their lifetimes, no matter what their educations. The USA has become passe in the court of world opinion and, in reality, in the ability to project power over anything of importance. It has nothing to do with Democrats, or with what you think is morality or immorality. It has everything to do with fascism. Look up the post Nuremberg laws of the Third Reich...see if you find anything familiar. We're going to find ourselves in a never-ending series of real jams in the not too distant future. Some will be internal, some external, and some of both will result from the actions of our enemies and some from the actions of our friends abroad and our former friends. They are not going to sit around and wait for the smoke to clear. Jesus is not going to save this country. If he exists at all as the Big Kahuna, he washed his hands of us when we lost our vision, our leadership and our courage in January 2001. That shoe must have fit, huh Harry? If this country is so bad, why don't you do a few years in the Netherlands, or anywhere else for that matter? John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:58:25 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: NOYB wrote: Netherlands Hospital Euthanizes Babies By TOBY STERLING, Associated Press Writer AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - Raising the stakes in an excruciating ethical debate, a hospital in the Netherlands - the first nation to permit euthanasia - recently proposed guidelines for mercy killings of terminally ill newborns, and then made a startling revelation: It has already begun carrying out such procedures in a handful of cases and reporting them to the government. The announcement last month by the Groningen Academic Hospital came amid a growing discussion in Holland on whether to legalize euthanasia on people incapable of deciding for themselves whether they want to end their lives - a prospect viewed with horror by euthanasia opponents and as a natural evolution by advocates. Lost their moral compass indeed! Meanwhile, Democrats are working fervently to turn the US into the Netherlands. They'll never get it...and that's why their party will continue to fade away into oblivion. It's better that the American people are the ones to remove the Democratic party's stain of immorality from our country's moral fiber rather than waiting until things get so bad that God decides to do it for us. He has a history of being less that descriminate in his methods, and I'd hate for the decent people to pay for the sins of the immoral minority. The USA doeswn't have a moral compass...or in fact any morality on any significant issue. And while we all here understand your attempt to provoke, you're not going to get anywhere. This country is going straight down the tubes, and you are young enough so that you will suffer all along the way. The government will assert control over your profession, and your children will live in a nation of limited opportunities, and probably will end up with menial, third-world jobs at some point in their lifetimes, no matter what their educations. The USA has become passe in the court of world opinion and, in reality, in the ability to project power over anything of importance. It has nothing to do with Democrats, or with what you think is morality or immorality. It has everything to do with fascism. Look up the post Nuremberg laws of the Third Reich...see if you find anything familiar. We're going to find ourselves in a never-ending series of real jams in the not too distant future. Some will be internal, some external, and some of both will result from the actions of our enemies and some from the actions of our friends abroad and our former friends. They are not going to sit around and wait for the smoke to clear. Jesus is not going to save this country. If he exists at all as the Big Kahuna, he washed his hands of us when we lost our vision, our leadership and our courage in January 2001. That shoe must have fit, huh Harry? If this country is so bad, why don't you do a few years in the Netherlands, or anywhere else for that matter? John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! At the moment, it looks like it will be more fun watching this country implode. We're doing our part now. We've closed accounts at stores in the red states, and to the best of our ability, will avoid purchases from or travels to those areas. For our holiday shopping so far, we've managed to divert about $2000 to businesses in other states. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:1101851207.rbmlXyjz3V0DWg/Q8PoFWA@teranews... At the moment, it looks like it will be more fun watching this country implode. Why would you find it fun to watch your country implode? |
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:1101851207.rbmlXyjz3V0DWg/Q8PoFWA@teranews... At the moment, it looks like it will be more fun watching this country implode. Why would you find it fun to watch your country implode? If I told you, you still wouldn't understand. |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:44:02 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: JohnH wrote: On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:58:25 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: NOYB wrote: Netherlands Hospital Euthanizes Babies By TOBY STERLING, Associated Press Writer AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - Raising the stakes in an excruciating ethical debate, a hospital in the Netherlands - the first nation to permit euthanasia - recently proposed guidelines for mercy killings of terminally ill newborns, and then made a startling revelation: It has already begun carrying out such procedures in a handful of cases and reporting them to the government. The announcement last month by the Groningen Academic Hospital came amid a growing discussion in Holland on whether to legalize euthanasia on people incapable of deciding for themselves whether they want to end their lives - a prospect viewed with horror by euthanasia opponents and as a natural evolution by advocates. Lost their moral compass indeed! Meanwhile, Democrats are working fervently to turn the US into the Netherlands. They'll never get it...and that's why their party will continue to fade away into oblivion. It's better that the American people are the ones to remove the Democratic party's stain of immorality from our country's moral fiber rather than waiting until things get so bad that God decides to do it for us. He has a history of being less that descriminate in his methods, and I'd hate for the decent people to pay for the sins of the immoral minority. The USA doeswn't have a moral compass...or in fact any morality on any significant issue. And while we all here understand your attempt to provoke, you're not going to get anywhere. This country is going straight down the tubes, and you are young enough so that you will suffer all along the way. The government will assert control over your profession, and your children will live in a nation of limited opportunities, and probably will end up with menial, third-world jobs at some point in their lifetimes, no matter what their educations. The USA has become passe in the court of world opinion and, in reality, in the ability to project power over anything of importance. It has nothing to do with Democrats, or with what you think is morality or immorality. It has everything to do with fascism. Look up the post Nuremberg laws of the Third Reich...see if you find anything familiar. We're going to find ourselves in a never-ending series of real jams in the not too distant future. Some will be internal, some external, and some of both will result from the actions of our enemies and some from the actions of our friends abroad and our former friends. They are not going to sit around and wait for the smoke to clear. Jesus is not going to save this country. If he exists at all as the Big Kahuna, he washed his hands of us when we lost our vision, our leadership and our courage in January 2001. That shoe must have fit, huh Harry? If this country is so bad, why don't you do a few years in the Netherlands, or anywhere else for that matter? John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! At the moment, it looks like it will be more fun watching this country implode. We're doing our part now. We've closed accounts at stores in the red states, and to the best of our ability, will avoid purchases from or travels to those areas. For our holiday shopping so far, we've managed to divert about $2000 to businesses in other states. Such common sense! Does that come from playing with yourself or from doing the "Weasel Shuffle"? John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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Beware the slippery slope.
How large a step is it from terminating the life of people who are "unable to make the decision to end their own life", to terminating people "who are not capable of making the *right* decision, and want to go on living"? |
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