After his discharge, he spent two more years in the Individual Ready
Reserve. His records also include a Good Conduct medal."

Obviously not the crazy man as first believed.

What does a good conduct medal have to do with mental health?

(Gould 0738) wrote in message ...
Didn't some Vietnam war hero do the same thing?
John H

Maybe but this isnt war this is civilized (?) america.


Thousands did.

In a war, you shoot at the enemy until he dies or surrenders, not just until he
turns his back on you.

Hunters=enemies? shoot them?

Matt

Thousands did.

In a war, you shoot at the enemy until he dies or surrenders, not just
until he
turns his back on you.

Hunters=enemies? shoot them?

Matt

John was using the opportunity to make a post election dig at his least
favorite candidate. Although John has admitted he would have done the same
thing in identical circumstances, he often said that
Kerry shooting a fleeing enemy in the back
(an enemy who momemnts earlier had fired on a US Navy Swift Boat), was absolute
proof that Kerry should not have been elected POTUS. Hey, maybe he was right,
as he wasn't. :-)

However, in a war, (not when hunting), it is my impression that the rules of a
formal duel do not apply. It isn't necessary to wait until a referee indicates
that its time to open fire, and nobody gives a ding if you have your back
turned. Attacking from behind, in some circumstances, is considered good
strategy, not "unsportsmanlike conduct".

If there might have been an excuse for the hunter defending himself by
returning fire, (assuming the other group began actually began firing first),
there isn't an excuse for chasing them down individually after they have fled
the scene and shooting them after the threat had been dispersed.

(steve) wrote in message . com...
Suspect says hunters provoked him
Vang says he was surrounded, called names and shot at before shootings
By JOHN DIEDRICH, LEE BERGQUIST and TOM HELD

Posted: Nov. 23, 2004
Hayward - The suspect arrested for shooting eight hunters, killing six
of them, says he was surrounded by the group, called derogatory racial
names and shot at before he opened fire, according to court records
released today.

Northwoods Shootings

Suspect


Chai Soua Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minn., is suspected of shooting eight
hunters, killing six of them.


[massive snip]

well a guy with a history of domestic and I even read gun invovled
violence masacres 6 people (only ONE armed), some shot in the back.
More unarmed people on ATV's arrive, they get executed as well. This
isnt self defence.

Even if they pulled the racial stuff on him, no reason to execute them
all.

This guy needs to be locked away for life also to warn people like
him.

Matt

Several hunters with only one gun is suspect. Other hunters arriving at the
scene supposedly without guns is suspect. Shooting eight, killing six, to
defend yourself is suspect.

I wonder what others would have done in his shoes: assuming what he stated
was true about being surrounded and shot at, alone against a group of at
least eight "hunters."

"Matt Lang" wrote in message
om...
(steve) wrote in message
. com...
Suspect says hunters provoked him
Vang says he was surrounded, called names and shot at before shootings
By JOHN DIEDRICH, LEE BERGQUIST and TOM HELD

Posted: Nov. 23, 2004
Hayward - The suspect arrested for shooting eight hunters, killing six
of them, says he was surrounded by the group, called derogatory racial
names and shot at before he opened fire, according to court records
released today.

Northwoods Shootings

Suspect


Chai Soua Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minn., is suspected of shooting eight
hunters, killing six of them.


[massive snip]

well a guy with a history of domestic and I even read gun invovled
violence masacres 6 people (only ONE armed), some shot in the back.
More unarmed people on ATV's arrive, they get executed as well. This
isnt self defence.

Even if they pulled the racial stuff on him, no reason to execute them
all.

This guy needs to be locked away for life also to warn people like
him.

Matt

The unarmed hunters were coming because they got a radio call that someone
had been shot. They were not out hunting when the call came. This
according to the newspaper report.

"Franko" wrote in message
...
Several hunters with only one gun is suspect. Other hunters arriving at
the
scene supposedly without guns is suspect. Shooting eight, killing six, to
defend yourself is suspect.

I wonder what others would have done in his shoes: assuming what he stated
was true about being surrounded and shot at, alone against a group of at
least eight "hunters."

"Matt Lang" wrote in message
om...
(steve) wrote in message
. com...
Suspect says hunters provoked him
Vang says he was surrounded, called names and shot at before shootings
By JOHN DIEDRICH, LEE BERGQUIST and TOM HELD

Posted: Nov. 23, 2004
Hayward - The suspect arrested for shooting eight hunters, killing six
of them, says he was surrounded by the group, called derogatory racial
names and shot at before he opened fire, according to court records
released today.

Northwoods Shootings

Suspect


Chai Soua Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minn., is suspected of shooting eight
hunters, killing six of them.


[massive snip]

well a guy with a history of domestic and I even read gun invovled
violence masacres 6 people (only ONE armed), some shot in the back.
More unarmed people on ATV's arrive, they get executed as well. This
isnt self defence.

Even if they pulled the racial stuff on him, no reason to execute them
all.

This guy needs to be locked away for life also to warn people like
him.

Matt

That part of the report is suspect. The part of the report about five
"hunters" with one gun is very suspect.

I feel sorry for those people who got shot and who got killed, especially
the ones who had nothing to do with threatening the Hmong who may have felt
he was being surrounded "again" by more "reinforcements."

If, indeed, he was shot at first, the guy that took that first shot (also
first one to be killed) is partially responsible for the deaths of his
friends. Sad and tragic.

One can look at this as either a case for or against semi-automatic rifles
with large capacity magazines. If this was a case of self-defense
(initially, that is), then it was deadly unfortunate for the group of
hunters to have picked on a single person, armed with a
not-even-high-powered weapon, but nevertheless, well armed for the
situation. If this was not a case of self-defense, then it was like that
lunatic who killed several tourists in Tasmania that resulted in a
nationwide ban on semi-autos and pump-actions.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
The unarmed hunters were coming because they got a radio call that someone
had been shot. They were not out hunting when the call came. This
according to the newspaper report.

"Franko" wrote in message
...
Several hunters with only one gun is suspect. Other hunters arriving at
the
scene supposedly without guns is suspect. Shooting eight, killing six,
to
defend yourself is suspect.

I wonder what others would have done in his shoes: assuming what he
stated
was true about being surrounded and shot at, alone against a group of at
least eight "hunters."

"Matt Lang" wrote in message
om...
(steve) wrote in message
. com...
Suspect says hunters provoked him
Vang says he was surrounded, called names and shot at before
shootings
By JOHN DIEDRICH, LEE BERGQUIST and TOM HELD

Posted: Nov. 23, 2004
Hayward - The suspect arrested for shooting eight hunters, killing
six
of them, says he was surrounded by the group, called derogatory
racial
names and shot at before he opened fire, according to court records
released today.

Northwoods Shootings

Suspect


Chai Soua Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minn., is suspected of shooting
eight
hunters, killing six of them.


[massive snip]

well a guy with a history of domestic and I even read gun invovled
violence masacres 6 people (only ONE armed), some shot in the back.
More unarmed people on ATV's arrive, they get executed as well. This
isnt self defence.

Even if they pulled the racial stuff on him, no reason to execute them
all.

This guy needs to be locked away for life also to warn people like
him.

Matt

"Gillis said only one rifle was found at the scene, near Roidt's body.
However, Vang said the hunters had several guns."


This from CNN http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/23/hu...hot/index.html