On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:35:53 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:27:42 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:03:33 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
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I'm sorry, but I have very little respect for "the military" as an
institution. As it exists today, it is an obsolete institution built
upon lies, deceit and self-perpetuation and is virtually useless in
defending the United States from the kind of aggression we face these
days. Simply stated, our military cannot defend us from the terrorists
who want to create havoc and death within the borders of the United
States.


Whew... I think it's the policy makers Harry, not the "military".

Oh? Please explain how "our military" plans to defend a major American
city from a couple of guys driving into the center of it in a rental van
with a nuke inside. You don't really think hordes of terrorists are
planning to come ashore via LSTs at Newport, Rhode Island, do you?

Remember, our military is supposed to defend the homeland. Something it
is incapable of doing in the face of modern terrorist warfare.

The mission of the Department of Defense is.

The mission of the Department of Homeland Security

It doesn't matter. Neither of them can defend the homeland.

What doesn't matter is your lack of subject knowledge.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


After we're attacked again, I'll be sure to remind you that neither our
DoD nor homeland security can defend this country.

What's your idea, Harry? How would you defend the country?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:36:44 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:28:25 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:21:47 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message
...


I'd love to have Harry look my oldest son in the eye and tell him just
how lame he is. Or my oldest daughter who was in the Navy.

I like Harry, but sometimes, he just jumps and doesn't look and it
sours his relations with people who would be friendly.

Live long and prosper,

Tom


I don't dislike Harry. I dislike or disagree with some of his statements and
assertions.
Sadly though, the statement in question here was not a "jump" on his part.
He truly believes what he says and has made similar comments often over the
years. It is obviously a result of his own background, education and
experience and is consistent with his basic political views.

You're jumping from my generalizations to specific individuals. My point
is this: generally speaking, our brightest 18-24 year olds do not enlist
in the military. Our brightest youngsters in that age category head for
college. If you have some legitimate statistics that dispute my posit,
I'll be glad to look at them. I'm NOT saying that no bright kids head
for the military, because certainly some do. But the brightest kids have
better options.

I recently read a couple of articles that indicated the Army was
planning on lowering the mental ability standards in its "admission
tests" to accommodate the kinds of enlistees it was getting these days.
If that is the case, it does not bode well for the "best and brightest"
claim.


I am not offended because my son is currently in the military either. What
Harry doesn't seem to understand is that many, including both my sons and
frankly myself served because we felt an obligation to do so, driven by
personal reasons that include old fashioned patriotism.

Oh, sure. I wouldn't dispute that. It's too bad that their patriotism is
being squandered by a neocon fascist administration, though, eh? And
that the institution they serve - the military - is so corrupt and
self-serving. As I have stated any number of times, I have respect for
individual soliders, but not much for "the military" as an institution.


More importantly,
the experience of giving something of importance which is greater than one's
own self interests is an important lesson that serves one well in life in my
opinion.

Indeed...which is why I have so much respect for classroom teachers,
firemen, nurses, case workers, religious workers who truly help the poor
and the sick, and soldiers involved in genuine, multi-national
peacekeeping efforts that stop wars.

What a weasel. Your "respect for classroom teachers" can be seen in
the many negative comments you've made about teachers.

Bull. I've made negative comments about *you* as a teacher.

I stand corrected. You*have* made negative comments about me as a
teacher (never having seen me in the classroom, which again shows your
profound lack of knowledge). However, the 'bull' part is a lie. You
have denigrated the teaching profession. Now weasel out of it.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


Only if you construe a post a made in context to you as a general
comment, which it was not.

Do you need special shoes to do the "Weasel Dance" ?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Harry Krause wrote in message
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I have visited West Point, the Naval Academy, the Air Force Academy and
the sub training facility at Groton. Some years ago, I actually did look
over descriptions of some of the course material at Annapolis and the
c.v.'s of some of the faculty. I'm sure the engineering course material
is fairly rigorous, though it is more "trade-oriented" and did not look
up to MIT or CalTech standards. I mean, if your goal is to be an
aeronautical engineer, you're going to get better training at MIT or
CalTech or at any of a large number of other engineering schools. I
thought the faculty academic credentials no better than what is found at
a typical smaller four year public university. The military academies
turn out military officers with an education, not highly educated
military officers. But that is their purpose, eh?


--

Holy molly, grandma, put on your high boots.

Harry Krause, admitted graduate in the humanities with a degree in English
is hereby qualified to critique the engineering curriculum of not only West
Point, but also that of the Naval Academy and the Air Force Academy and
compare it to that of MIT and CalTech.

The above paragraph is a classic.

You missed your calling Harry.

Eisboch

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message
...

I had a similar experience, only I was offered an Lead
Instructor/Trainer slot which are highly prized in the Corps and I
took advantage of it. I reenlisted for two years, taught one week in
three and made arrangements for that week with the professors where I
was attending. When I finished my six years, I was a year and a half
shy of graduation as a General Engineer and when they credited my
advanced math/science placement, I had to do one semester in
humanities and a half semester electives - which in my case was more
math. :) I even got to play a little college baseball (taxi squad
unfortunately).

Even with two combat tours, I wouldn't trade the experience for
anything.

And with that, I shall remove myself from this discussion permanently.

Peace. Out.

Later,

Tom

"Beware the one legged man in a butt
kicking contest - he is there for a
reason."

Wun Hung Lo - date unknown




Yep. Me too. Any further effort is a total waste of time.

Eisboch

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:38:32 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message
.. .

I had a similar experience, only I was offered an Lead
Instructor/Trainer slot which are highly prized in the Corps and I
took advantage of it. I reenlisted for two years, taught one week in
three and made arrangements for that week with the professors where I
was attending. When I finished my six years, I was a year and a half
shy of graduation as a General Engineer and when they credited my
advanced math/science placement, I had to do one semester in
humanities and a half semester electives - which in my case was more
math. :) I even got to play a little college baseball (taxi squad
unfortunately).

Even with two combat tours, I wouldn't trade the experience for
anything.

And with that, I shall remove myself from this discussion permanently.

Peace. Out.

Later,

Tom

"Beware the one legged man in a butt
kicking contest - he is there for a
reason."

Wun Hung Lo - date unknown




Yep. Me too. Any further effort is a total waste of time.

Eisboch


Me three.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Don't know about Harry...but I'd put all the warmongering politicians,
retired military officers and defense contractors on the front lines. I'd
bet peace would breakout overnight.

Don White wrote in message
...

Don't know about Harry...but I'd put all the warmongering politicians,
retired military officers and defense contractors on the front lines. I'd
bet peace would breakout overnight.




Now, there's an idea. Ever think of a political career Don?

I like it.

Eisboch

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:19:38 +0000, Eisboch wrote:


Don White wrote in message
...

Don't know about Harry...but I'd put all the warmongering politicians,
retired military officers and defense contractors on the front lines.
I'd bet peace would breakout overnight.




Now, there's an idea. Ever think of a political career Don?

I like it.


I remember an old 70s vintage anti-war commercial. Two older gentlemen
take of their suit jackets and proceed to have a rather silly fist fight.
The question was asked, "What if the men who started wars actually had to
fight them?". It must have made some point, as I still remember it today.

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:19:38 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:


Don White wrote in message
...

Don't know about Harry...but I'd put all the warmongering politicians,
retired military officers and defense contractors on the front lines. I'd
bet peace would breakout overnight.

Now, there's an idea. Ever think of a political career Don?

I like it.

I've often thought that dueling between leaders would be the correct
method.

Fifty paces, shoot until first blood.

What could be simpler? :)

Later,

Tom

Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
news:1100966453.d8OC8Enq54+tnsZMSe4LmQ@teranews...

I have visited West Point, the Naval Academy, the Air Force Academy and
the sub training facility at Groton. Some years ago, I actually did look
over descriptions of some of the course material at Annapolis and the
c.v.'s of some of the faculty. I'm sure the engineering course material
is fairly rigorous, though it is more "trade-oriented" and did not look
up to MIT or CalTech standards. I mean, if your goal is to be an
aeronautical engineer, you're going to get better training at MIT or
CalTech or at any of a large number of other engineering schools. I
thought the faculty academic credentials no better than what is found at
a typical smaller four year public university. The military academies
turn out military officers with an education, not highly educated
military officers. But that is their purpose, eh?


--


Holy molly, grandma, put on your high boots.

Harry Krause, admitted graduate in the humanities with a degree in English
is hereby qualified to critique the engineering curriculum of not only West
Point, but also that of the Naval Academy and the Air Force Academy and
compare it to that of MIT and CalTech.

The above paragraph is a classic.

You missed your calling Harry.

Eisboch





No he didn't; he's a professional liar for the loony left.

K