"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news:5wund.937381$Gx4.629657@bgtnsc04-
Harry, I sincerely invite you to visit a modern military base or
installation and witness for yourself what the caliber of most of these
young men and women are. I have. And I was blown away. With few
exceptions,
these are the brightest, best trained, committed and professional group
of
people I have seen in many years of both military and civilian management
experience.

snip

I am an outsider......

So who asked for or wants your opinion?

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:59:55 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:32:45 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

...and you're teaching impressionable high school kids??? No wonder
society is heading down the crapper!

What did that post have to do with teaching. Or, what does teaching
have to do with that post?

John H
...mmmmmm never mind!
One question...do you get a bounty for any kids 'recruited' to the military?


Nope. But I would be interested in your answer to my question.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:04:23 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Don White wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:32:45 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

...and you're teaching impressionable high school kids??? No wonder
society is heading down the crapper!

What did that post have to do with teaching. Or, what does teaching
have to do with that post?

John H
...mmmmmm never mind!
One question...do you get a bounty for any kids 'recruited' to the military?



Hehehe.

You've really got to have no choices at all to join the military these
days.

Spoken from the heart by one who knows nothing of the military.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:33:22 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:04:23 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Don White wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:32:45 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

...and you're teaching impressionable high school kids??? No wonder
society is heading down the crapper!

What did that post have to do with teaching. Or, what does teaching
have to do with that post?

...mmmmmm never mind!
One question...do you get a bounty for any kids 'recruited' to the military?

Hehehe.

You've really got to have no choices at all to join the military these
days.

Harry, sometimes you just jump right over the edge without looking.

Unfortunate.

Later,

Tom

Harry will come back with some weaselly excuse for his comment. He
won't have meant what he said, and blah, blah, blah.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:32:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

My experience tells me that the brightest young men and women (18-24 or
so) are in college. Some percentage of bright kids who cannot hack it in
college drop out and join the military, others drop out and do something
else. I posit that very, very few of our brightest 18-year-olds opt for
the military.

You could not be more wrong.

You are letting your predilection for partisan causes cloud your
vision, Harry. I thought better of you.

Later,

Tom

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:32:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

My experience tells me that the brightest young men and women (18-24 or
so) are in college. Some percentage of bright kids who cannot hack it in
college drop out and join the military, others drop out and do something
else. I posit that very, very few of our brightest 18-year-olds opt for
the military.

You could not be more wrong.

You are letting your predilection for partisan causes cloud your
vision, Harry. I thought better of you.

Later,

Tom

You're finally catching on. Everyone does sooner or later.

Well, not everyone. Even a dog has got his fleas, so I suppose an
asshole has got his worms.

-- Charlie

"JohnH" wrote in message
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Nope. But I would be interested in your answer to my question.

John H


You took the trouble to post that item. Do you believe that liberals are
'girly men' and if you do...do you pass on your prejudices to your students?

Harry Krause wrote in message
news:1100920343.rQA4M/wy9xpTzYE8lIGbDw@teranews...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:32:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

My experience tells me that the brightest young men and women (18-24 or
so) are in college. Some percentage of bright kids who cannot hack it in
college drop out and join the military, others drop out and do something
else. I posit that very, very few of our brightest 18-year-olds opt for
the military.

You could not be more wrong.

You are letting your predilection for partisan causes cloud your
vision, Harry. I thought better of you.

Later,

Tom


Are you positing that the brightest young men and women in this country
(in the 18-24 age category) go into the military instead of going to
college? Or thoat some bright kids who drop out of college end up in the
military? Or that others who drop out of college do something else?

What percentage of really bright young people, those with academic
skills and high college boards, skip college to join the Army of One? I
would guess a really, really small percentage. I'll bet there are stats
somewhere that back up my position.

I'm not claming that *everyone* in the military is stupid, or even less
bright than average. I'm positing that there is little incentive for our
brightest kids to join the military instead of going to college.

And what's partisan about that?

Here's something else to consider. Many anti- and non- intellectuals in
this country will frequently say "Those who can, do...those who cannot,
teach." Well, I think that is bull****. "Those that can, do...and many
of those teach. And those who cannot, well, they ..............

I'll let you finish that on your own.



I'll finish it. You are wrong.

High college boards and academic skills are not the only criteria to judge
how bright an individual is, nor are they any indication of their value or
contribution to society. Some of the most accomplished people I know would
be considered stupid according to your measure.

As to why young people join the military, there are as many reasons as there
are people that join. If you really think that people serving 4 years of
their life in the military are doing so simply because they can't hack it as
a civilian, you have really missed something important in life.

Good grief, Harry, just think. If everyone were as smart as you, you would
be average.

Eisboch

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 06:37:13 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:


Harry Krause wrote in message
news:1100920343.rQA4M/wy9xpTzYE8lIGbDw@teranews...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:32:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

My experience tells me that the brightest young men and women (18-24 or
so) are in college. Some percentage of bright kids who cannot hack it in
college drop out and join the military, others drop out and do something
else. I posit that very, very few of our brightest 18-year-olds opt for
the military.

You could not be more wrong.

You are letting your predilection for partisan causes cloud your
vision, Harry. I thought better of you.

Later,

Tom


Are you positing that the brightest young men and women in this country
(in the 18-24 age category) go into the military instead of going to
college? Or thoat some bright kids who drop out of college end up in the
military? Or that others who drop out of college do something else?

What percentage of really bright young people, those with academic
skills and high college boards, skip college to join the Army of One? I
would guess a really, really small percentage. I'll bet there are stats
somewhere that back up my position.

I'm not claming that *everyone* in the military is stupid, or even less
bright than average. I'm positing that there is little incentive for our
brightest kids to join the military instead of going to college.

And what's partisan about that?

Here's something else to consider. Many anti- and non- intellectuals in
this country will frequently say "Those who can, do...those who cannot,
teach." Well, I think that is bull****. "Those that can, do...and many
of those teach. And those who cannot, well, they ..............

I'll let you finish that on your own.



I'll finish it. You are wrong.

High college boards and academic skills are not the only criteria to judge
how bright an individual is, nor are they any indication of their value or
contribution to society. Some of the most accomplished people I know would
be considered stupid according to your measure.

As to why young people join the military, there are as many reasons as there
are people that join. If you really think that people serving 4 years of
their life in the military are doing so simply because they can't hack it as
a civilian, you have really missed something important in life.

Good grief, Harry, just think. If everyone were as smart as you, you would
be average.

I'd love to have Harry look my oldest son in the eye and tell him just
how lame he is. Or my oldest daughter who was in the Navy.

I like Harry, but sometimes, he just jumps and doesn't look and it
sours his relations with people who would be friendly.

Live long and prosper,

Tom

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message
...


I'd love to have Harry look my oldest son in the eye and tell him just
how lame he is. Or my oldest daughter who was in the Navy.

I like Harry, but sometimes, he just jumps and doesn't look and it
sours his relations with people who would be friendly.

Live long and prosper,

Tom


I don't dislike Harry. I dislike or disagree with some of his statements and
assertions.
Sadly though, the statement in question here was not a "jump" on his part.
He truly believes what he says and has made similar comments often over the
years. It is obviously a result of his own background, education and
experience and is consistent with his basic political views.

I am not offended because my son is currently in the military either. What
Harry doesn't seem to understand is that many, including both my sons and
frankly myself served because we felt an obligation to do so, driven by
personal reasons that include old fashioned patriotism. More importantly,
the experience of giving something of importance which is greater than one's
own self interests is an important lesson that serves one well in life in my
opinion.

It is not unique to the United States and it does not necessarily mean you
agree with the policy makers. For most, it's a short, four year experience.
In my case, I managed through nine years of active duty, driven primarily
because the Navy kept offering interesting schools. I realize now that I
got a lot more out of my service than I gave. What Harry thinks just doesn't
matter.

Finally, from personal experience, I attended college for a while after high
school, then entered the Navy. (I guess to Harry I was a non-hacker). I
finished my degree requirements at night after I was discharged and the
majority of those I took classes with had also been recently discharged.
(Thank you, GI bill). The attitude and motivation of those attending after
military service was very, very different than the knuckleheads (including
me) that attended right out of high school.

Eisboch