Harry Krause wrote:
CCred68046 wrote:

Is this where we are heading? Fear of showing a classy movie that
depicts the doggedness and bravery of our soldiers during World War II?

Its obvious. They could show that movie, its been on TV before. And it could
have been edited for television easily.



I remember the movie well. I saw it in the theaters and I recall seeing
it on HBO, I believe. There's no reason to "edit" it for television, and
I believe ABC's deal with the studio forbids deletions.

What would you edit? The "cuss words"? They are integral to the movie.
The movie is violent, but no more so than other movies on television.

There's something else going on here.

Ah, come on Harry, get a hold of yourself. You are starting to sound
like the mentality of the 50's when everything unexplainable must be a
commie plot. Television is still over-reacting to the boob show at the
Superbowl.

Eisboch (back to watching the "Girls gone Wild" infomercial)

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 04:16:19 -0500, Eisboch
wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
CCred68046 wrote:

Is this where we are heading? Fear of showing a classy movie that
depicts the doggedness and bravery of our soldiers during World War II?

Its obvious. They could show that movie, its been on TV before. And it could
have been edited for television easily.

I remember the movie well. I saw it in the theaters and I recall seeing
it on HBO, I believe. There's no reason to "edit" it for television, and
I believe ABC's deal with the studio forbids deletions.

What would you edit? The "cuss words"? They are integral to the movie.
The movie is violent, but no more so than other movies on television.

There's something else going on here.

Ah, come on Harry, get a hold of yourself. You are starting to sound
like the mentality of the 50's when everything unexplainable must be a
commie plot.

Both of the sides, left and right, are acting like the old Rockfeller,
Tri-lateralist, Illumaniti, Lyndon LaRouche, Black Jesuit,
MasonKnight, conspiracists. The "secret" societies of the Roman
Catholic Church. Remember those? :)

You and I must think alike.

By the way, I've never seen the movie. Haven't seen "Deer Hunter",
"Apocalypse Now", "Platoon", "Full Metal Jacket" either.

Now that I think about it, I haven't seen a movie since "Pirates of
the Caribbean".

Television is still over-reacting to the boob show at the
Superbowl.

Michael Powell was a Clinton appointee you know. He was put in place
to clean up the FCC's act - Al Gore's favorite go-to Commission of how
reformed government should look.

Look where it got them - single source news, the new morality in
broadcast standards and now this - broadcasters afraid to broadcast
movies.

You just can't make this up.

Eisboch (back to watching the "Girls gone Wild" infomercial)

Has nothing on the "Women In Chains, Part II" infomercial.

Hubba hubba..... :)

Later,

Tom

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:26:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 04:16:19 -0500, Eisboch
wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
CCred68046 wrote:

Is this where we are heading? Fear of showing a classy movie that
depicts the doggedness and bravery of our soldiers during World War II?

Its obvious. They could show that movie, its been on TV before. And it could
have been edited for television easily.

I remember the movie well. I saw it in the theaters and I recall seeing
it on HBO, I believe. There's no reason to "edit" it for television, and
I believe ABC's deal with the studio forbids deletions.

What would you edit? The "cuss words"? They are integral to the movie.
The movie is violent, but no more so than other movies on television.

There's something else going on here.

Ah, come on Harry, get a hold of yourself. You are starting to sound
like the mentality of the 50's when everything unexplainable must be a
commie plot.

Both of the sides, left and right, are acting like the old Rockfeller,
Tri-lateralist, Illumaniti, Lyndon LaRouche, Black Jesuit,
MasonKnight, conspiracists. The "secret" societies of the Roman
Catholic Church. Remember those? :)

You and I must think alike.

By the way, I've never seen the movie. Haven't seen "Deer Hunter",
"Apocalypse Now", "Platoon", "Full Metal Jacket" either.

Now that I think about it, I haven't seen a movie since "Pirates of
the Caribbean".

Television is still over-reacting to the boob show at the
Superbowl.

Michael Powell was a Clinton appointee you know. He was put in place
to clean up the FCC's act - Al Gore's favorite go-to Commission of how
reformed government should look.

Look where it got them - single source news, the new morality in
broadcast standards and now this - broadcasters afraid to broadcast
movies.

You just can't make this up.

Eisboch (back to watching the "Girls gone Wild" infomercial)

Has nothing on the "Women In Chains, Part II" infomercial.

Hubba hubba..... :)

Later,

Tom

Of the Vietnam movies I've seen (not many), "Platoon" was the best
portrayal of what Vietnam was like.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:14:18 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

~~ mucho snippage ~~

Of the Vietnam movies I've seen (not many), "Platoon" was the best
portrayal of what Vietnam was like.

I was there. It could never be accurately reflected in a movie.

Later,

Tom

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:30:15 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:14:18 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

~~ mucho snippage ~~

Of the Vietnam movies I've seen (not many), "Platoon" was the best
portrayal of what Vietnam was like.

I was there. It could never be accurately reflected in a movie.

Later,

Tom

Ditto. But "Platoon" was a hell of a lot closer to the mark than
either John Kerry or "Apocalypse Now."

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Ditto. But "Platoon" was a hell of a lot closer to the mark than
either John Kerry

It's been 10 days since the election.
Get over it. :-)

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

Television is still over-reacting to the boob show at the
Superbowl.

Wanna hear something interesting? I can't assume my son's behavior (or
wisdom) is indicative of other kids, but I'll bet he's not that unusual.

A couple of years back, I had the flu. My excellent friend Mike stopped by
and handed me boxed sets of the first 3 years' of the Sopranos series. Then,
he ran away so he wouldn't get sick. A week later, I thanked him and said
I'd return them, but he said to pass them on to someone else who's nailed to
the couch with a fever. So, they're still here.

Recently, I decided my son was old enough to follow the series, so every so
often, we pop in a tape. If you've watched the show, you know there's an
occasional scene in the strip club, and actual, real genuine boobs are
shown. So, the first time, my son was somewhat riveted. The second time, we
were talking about fishing and he didn't skip a beat. At that point, I'm
sure he knew that any time we saw the front of the club, it was likely we'd
see tits. The third time, just as the girls were shown dancing, he got up
and says "I'm gettin' an apple. Ya want one?", and spent a minute washing
them. Didn't rush back in to make sure he wouldn't miss the tits.

After that episode, I said "If your mom finds out I let you watch this, I'm
in deep ****". He said "Watch what?" I said "This show". He said "What
show?" Then, he paused a moment and said "Besides, I don't know what the big
deal is. The nudity's not the point of the show. It's just where those guys
hang out." Later: "Tony's mother's really the center of the show so far.
Reminds me of grandma!*"

Kids should run the world.

*Grandma: The living, walking definition of the Yiddish word "schnorrer".
"Ma...someone sent me a box of Omaha steaks. We brought you a couple". Her:
"Oh please...those are way too fancy for me. I like the cube steaks....".
That's a schnorrer.

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:51:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .

Television is still over-reacting to the boob show at the
Superbowl.

Wanna hear something interesting? I can't assume my son's behavior (or
wisdom) is indicative of other kids, but I'll bet he's not that unusual.

A couple of years back, I had the flu. My excellent friend Mike stopped by
and handed me boxed sets of the first 3 years' of the Sopranos series. Then,
he ran away so he wouldn't get sick. A week later, I thanked him and said
I'd return them, but he said to pass them on to someone else who's nailed to
the couch with a fever. So, they're still here.

Recently, I decided my son was old enough to follow the series, so every so
often, we pop in a tape. If you've watched the show, you know there's an
occasional scene in the strip club, and actual, real genuine boobs are
shown. So, the first time, my son was somewhat riveted. The second time, we
were talking about fishing and he didn't skip a beat. At that point, I'm
sure he knew that any time we saw the front of the club, it was likely we'd
see tits. The third time, just as the girls were shown dancing, he got up
and says "I'm gettin' an apple. Ya want one?", and spent a minute washing
them. Didn't rush back in to make sure he wouldn't miss the tits.

After that episode, I said "If your mom finds out I let you watch this, I'm
in deep ****". He said "Watch what?" I said "This show". He said "What
show?" Then, he paused a moment and said "Besides, I don't know what the big
deal is. The nudity's not the point of the show. It's just where those guys
hang out." Later: "Tony's mother's really the center of the show so far.
Reminds me of grandma!*"

Kids should run the world.

*Grandma: The living, walking definition of the Yiddish word "schnorrer".
"Ma...someone sent me a box of Omaha steaks. We brought you a couple". Her:
"Oh please...those are way too fancy for me. I like the cube steaks....".
That's a schnorrer.


And your son was in his late 20's?

If he was an adolescent, and he wasn't interested in the boobs, then
he was either too embarrassed to let you know, or he's just not very
interested in females (IMHO).

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:51:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message
.. .

Television is still over-reacting to the boob show at the
Superbowl.

Wanna hear something interesting? I can't assume my son's behavior (or
wisdom) is indicative of other kids, but I'll bet he's not that unusual.

A couple of years back, I had the flu. My excellent friend Mike stopped
by
and handed me boxed sets of the first 3 years' of the Sopranos series.
Then,
he ran away so he wouldn't get sick. A week later, I thanked him and said
I'd return them, but he said to pass them on to someone else who's nailed
to
the couch with a fever. So, they're still here.

Recently, I decided my son was old enough to follow the series, so every
so
often, we pop in a tape. If you've watched the show, you know there's an
occasional scene in the strip club, and actual, real genuine boobs are
shown. So, the first time, my son was somewhat riveted. The second time,
we
were talking about fishing and he didn't skip a beat. At that point, I'm
sure he knew that any time we saw the front of the club, it was likely
we'd
see tits. The third time, just as the girls were shown dancing, he got up
and says "I'm gettin' an apple. Ya want one?", and spent a minute washing
them. Didn't rush back in to make sure he wouldn't miss the tits.

After that episode, I said "If your mom finds out I let you watch this,
I'm
in deep ****". He said "Watch what?" I said "This show". He said "What
show?" Then, he paused a moment and said "Besides, I don't know what the
big
deal is. The nudity's not the point of the show. It's just where those
guys
hang out." Later: "Tony's mother's really the center of the show so far.
Reminds me of grandma!*"

Kids should run the world.

*Grandma: The living, walking definition of the Yiddish word "schnorrer".
"Ma...someone sent me a box of Omaha steaks. We brought you a couple".
Her:
"Oh please...those are way too fancy for me. I like the cube steaks....".
That's a schnorrer.


And your son was in his late 20's?

If he was an adolescent, and he wasn't interested in the boobs, then
he was either too embarrassed to let you know, or he's just not very
interested in females (IMHO).

He wasn't raised by a television like so many other kids. He prefers
reality. I won't take THAT thought any further at the moment, but you know
what I mean.

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:44:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


And your son was in his late 20's?

If he was an adolescent, and he wasn't interested in the boobs, then
he was either too embarrassed to let you know, or he's just not very
interested in females (IMHO).

He wasn't raised by a television like so many other kids.

AH! Now you know the point of this whole issue.

He prefers reality.

And that's good for you as a parent, and him as a person who will
likely become a responsible adult. Some people mature early on, and
can handle the reality of the adult world, and make decisions based on
the big picture. Many other kids, though, are empty of guiding
principles, and will lock on to whatever is handy, and too often that
is the TV. You say that the chaperoning the TV is the parent's job.
But the parents are often not responsible themselves, or cannot be
there at every point, or when they are at their friend's homes.



I won't take THAT thought any further at the moment, but you know
what I mean.

We used to have a saying when I was growing up. "those who say the
most, get the least....."

Dave