"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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You also missed a very important note at the bottom " The most likely
reason
for the lower IQ's in southern states is their significant Black
population.
African-Americans consistently test at an average 85 IQ level."

Creating some concern that the list may have come from a racist source-
(or
that it merely reflects the long recognized cultural bias in many IQ
tests-
particularly those administered to children). However, I'm not the one who
touted this as the "real" list- merely took advantage of the fact that it
was
so represented.

My observations are generally correct, although when you take the
alphabetizing
into account perhaps only nine, rather than ten, of the top sixteen were
blue
states.
Did you remember that New Hampshire was a blue state this time, not a red
one?

As there were certainly fewer blue states than red states in the overall
count,
what percentage of blue states vs. percentage of red states were in that
top
16? A reasonably dramatic difference, revealed by the "real list".



I am sitting hear reading this thread and laughing. There is no way to
break down an average IQ number for the group of people in any particular
state who voted for Bush or Kerry. To think you can, and to carry on a
debate about it is nothing short of comical.

I am sitting hear reading this thread and laughing. There is no way to
break down an average IQ number for the group of people in any particular
state who voted for Bush or Kerry. To think you can, and to carry on a
debate about it is nothing short of comical.

That's not what the list is purported to represent. It represents the average
IQ levels in each state. Yes, some very bright people undoubtedly voted for
George Bush, along with some dumb as dirt. Exactly the same thing can be said
for Kerry voters.

The only thing that is interesting is that the list actually does demonstrate a
general tendency for the majority of voters in the states purported to have
higher average IQ's to favor Kerry.

We know, for example, that residents of New Hampshire are shown on the "real
list" as having a higher average IQ than the residents of Mississippi. We can
also measure how the majority of people in that state voted by whether the
electoral votes were given to Bush or Kerry. If the list is correct, and we
know how the electoral votes were allocated, the discussion is not only
possible but at least slightly entertaining.

This doesn't mean that the dumbest person in New Hampshire is still brighter
than the smartest one in Mississippi, or indicate how any individual person in
any state or at any IQ level voted in the election.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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I am sitting hear reading this thread and laughing. There is no way to
break down an average IQ number for the group of people in any particular
state who voted for Bush or Kerry. To think you can, and to carry on a
debate about it is nothing short of comical.

That's not what the list is purported to represent. It represents the
average
IQ levels in each state.

I realize that. And that is what makes this whole thread funny. Average IQ
for the entire state....something suspect at best.

But let's assume for a minute that the figure, the average IQ for the State,
is accurate. Now lets take an example. Lets say the IQ's equally ranged
from a low of 75 to a high of 125, averaging out at 100. What cannot be
figured out is the average IQ of those voting for Kerry and those voting for
Bush. So in a State with an average IQ of 100, and with that State going to
Kerry, it is possible that the average IQ of those Kerry voters is 87...or
it could be 112.. But that is absolutely impossible to determine at this
point in time.


Yes, some very bright people undoubtedly voted for
George Bush, along with some dumb as dirt. Exactly the same thing can be
said
for Kerry voters.

The only thing that is interesting is that the list actually does
demonstrate a
general tendency for the majority of voters in the states purported to
have
higher average IQ's to favor Kerry.

No it absolutely does not. See my earlier comments.

And thus my laughing at this entire thread.

Sorry guys, but think for a minute what you are debating over.

JimH,
I hope our discussion was enjoyable, and yes it was a pretty stupid
discussion.


"JimH" wrote in message
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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I am sitting hear reading this thread and laughing. There is no way to
break down an average IQ number for the group of people in any particular
state who voted for Bush or Kerry. To think you can, and to carry on a
debate about it is nothing short of comical.

That's not what the list is purported to represent. It represents the
average
IQ levels in each state.

I realize that. And that is what makes this whole thread funny. Average
IQ for the entire state....something suspect at best.

But let's assume for a minute that the figure, the average IQ for the
State, is accurate. Now lets take an example. Lets say the IQ's equally
ranged from a low of 75 to a high of 125, averaging out at 100. What
cannot be figured out is the average IQ of those voting for Kerry and
those voting for Bush. So in a State with an average IQ of 100, and with
that State going to Kerry, it is possible that the average IQ of those
Kerry voters is 87...or it could be 112.. But that is absolutely
impossible to determine at this point in time.


Yes, some very bright people undoubtedly voted for
George Bush, along with some dumb as dirt. Exactly the same thing can be
said
for Kerry voters.

The only thing that is interesting is that the list actually does
demonstrate a
general tendency for the majority of voters in the states purported to
have
higher average IQ's to favor Kerry.

No it absolutely does not. See my earlier comments.

And thus my laughing at this entire thread.

Sorry guys, but think for a minute what you are debating over.

What cannot be
figured out is the average IQ of those voting for Kerry and those voting for
Bush.

You are right. What *can* be figured out is what the average IQ is in the
states where the majority of voters favored Kerry vs. the average IQ in the
states where the majority of voters favored Bush.

I know you want to believe that all the smart people voted Bush, and all the
dumb voted Kerry, but there is no way to prove or disprove that.

Sure it is. Everyone knows only smart people voted for Bush and only dumb
people voted for Kerry.

Wait, damn it all. I voted for Kerry.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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What cannot be
figured out is the average IQ of those voting for Kerry and those voting
for
Bush.

You are right. What *can* be figured out is what the average IQ is in the
states where the majority of voters favored Kerry vs. the average IQ in
the
states where the majority of voters favored Bush.

I know you want to believe that all the smart people voted Bush, and all
the
dumb voted Kerry, but there is no way to prove or disprove that.

On 05 Nov 2004 03:54:52 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

What cannot be
figured out is the average IQ of those voting for Kerry and those voting for
Bush.

You are right. What *can* be figured out is what the average IQ is in the
states where the majority of voters favored Kerry vs. the average IQ in the
states where the majority of voters favored Bush.

I know you want to believe that all the smart people voted Bush, and all the
dumb voted Kerry, but there is no way to prove or disprove that.


Krause started the thread insinuating the people that voted for Bush had a
lower IQ. As you say, there is no proof one way or the other.

Why even start such a stupid thread based on a survey that means absolutely
nothing?

"John S" wrote in message
news
On 05 Nov 2004 03:54:52 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

What cannot be
figured out is the average IQ of those voting for Kerry and those voting
for
Bush.

You are right. What *can* be figured out is what the average IQ is in the
states where the majority of voters favored Kerry vs. the average IQ in
the
states where the majority of voters favored Bush.

I know you want to believe that all the smart people voted Bush, and all
the
dumb voted Kerry, but there is no way to prove or disprove that.


Krause started the thread insinuating the people that voted for Bush had a
lower IQ. As you say, there is no proof one way or the other.

Actually Chuck only realized it after I pointed it out to him.....otherwise
he would still be carrying on this silly debate.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
What cannot be
figured out is the average IQ of those voting for Kerry and those voting
for
Bush.

You are right. What *can* be figured out is what the average IQ is in the
states where the majority of voters favored Kerry vs. the average IQ in
the
states where the majority of voters favored Bush.

I know you want to believe that all the smart people voted Bush, and all
the
dumb voted Kerry, but there is no way to prove or disprove that.



Give me a friggin break Chuck. Where did I even elude to that??????

The part where is states "The IQ’s are calculated from state SAT and ACT
scores, adjusted downward about 10 points to get to average" says the whole
chart is FUBAR! What is the percentage of each state taking the SAT's and
ACT's?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I am sitting hear reading this thread and laughing. There is no way to
break down an average IQ number for the group of people in any particular
state who voted for Bush or Kerry. To think you can, and to carry on a
debate about it is nothing short of comical.

That's not what the list is purported to represent. It represents the
average
IQ levels in each state. Yes, some very bright people undoubtedly voted
for
George Bush, along with some dumb as dirt. Exactly the same thing can be
said
for Kerry voters.

The only thing that is interesting is that the list actually does
demonstrate a
general tendency for the majority of voters in the states purported to
have
higher average IQ's to favor Kerry.

We know, for example, that residents of New Hampshire are shown on the
"real
list" as having a higher average IQ than the residents of Mississippi. We
can
also measure how the majority of people in that state voted by whether the
electoral votes were given to Bush or Kerry. If the list is correct, and
we
know how the electoral votes were allocated, the discussion is not only
possible but at least slightly entertaining.

This doesn't mean that the dumbest person in New Hampshire is still
brighter
than the smartest one in Mississippi, or indicate how any individual
person in
any state or at any IQ level voted in the election.