On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:50:40 -0500, Eisboch
wrote:

There is, however, one benefit to her horse hobby. I can use it as
leverage when I need a new gadget for the boat.

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That's one approach. Maybe you could convince her that "horse power"
would be better. :-)

I've always thought it interesting the way some women get attached to
horses in such a passionate way. There's probably a psychological
study or two hiding there someplace.

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:39:25 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:
Enough of those who would prohibit a simple Christian prayer at the start of
the school day and remove the words "under God" from the Pledge of
Allegiance in an overwhelmingly Christian nation, all under the guise of
constitutionally required "separation", but enforce involuntary in-school
"familiarization" with the religions of other.

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When I was 7 or 8 years old I was smart enough to understand
separation of church and state. That was in the 50s. Interesting how
so many people just don't get it for one reason or another. Religion
has no place in government, or vice versa. Seems simple enough to me.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message .

When I was 7 or 8 years old I was smart enough to understand
separation of church and state. .

No. When you were 7 or 8 years old in the fifties you were able to grasp
the rudiments of a simplistic explanation. Apparently, you haven't given
the matter much observation or thought since.

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:48:10 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

No. When you were 7 or 8 years old in the fifties you were able to grasp
the rudiments of a simplistic explanation. Apparently, you haven't given
the matter much observation or thought since.

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OK. Please explain where I'm remiss.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:31:44 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

It's going to be fun to watch America squander its future.

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That's irresponsible to put it mildly.


You're right. It's irresponsible for a country to squander its future.

"Charles" wrote in message
...


Doug Kanter wrote:

"Charles" wrote in message
...
Why is it not surprising that you have problems with all kinds of
relationships in your life?

This sounds like a comment I once heard during a conversation where
person A
was complaining about his car being broken into multiple times in his
driveway. Some new-age a-hole came along and said "Well, maybe you had
just
owned those things for too long and it time for them to go to someone
else".
:-)

Talk about pulling ideas outta your ass.....you can do better, Chucky.

You really believe your little analogy explains your problems with
relationships in your life?

You've given ample gratuitous evidence (family, wife, neighbors) that
you struggle to make, maintain, and keep relationships with other people.

Same malady which krause suffers from also.

-- Charlie

zzzzzzzzz..........

Another amateur psychiatrist. :-) Get a life, Chuckie.

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:41:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Doug Kanter wrote:
.... But, my dad has a thing about
control, and the rest of the family has decided he needs to be ground
down a
bit with a very coarse rasp. Otherwise, there's no living with him.

Same here. In some cases, the "coarse rasp" can be making it obvious
that you will not interact in any way shape or form, until the
behaviour
improves. It's hard to be a control freak when people ignore you.

DSK


I should elaborate. You'll love this.

Had to fly to Long Island Wednesday and return yesterday. I had a social
engagement at 6:30 PM last night, so in order to get home in time, I had
to
take a 6:00 AM flight out of LI. That's 5:00 AM arrival at the airport,
had
to leave the hotel by 4:15, which meant waking up a little after 3:00 AM.

Last week, I called the hotel to inquire as to the odds of finding a cab
at
that hour. They said "We can usually get one". OK. Called my dad who said
"We haven't figured out who's gonna take you to the airport yet.....".
Hung
up. Thought about it for the rest of the day. Realized that the social
engagement would include a spectacular dinner & drinks. Found I could
rent a
car from Budget for $88 plus tax, which to me was the right price for the
dinner & drinks. An insurance policy of sorts, to eliminate all variables
from my ride to the airport, except for the rental car breaking down.

Called dad, told him I was renting a car on MY DIME. He went ballistic -
something like "Who the hell do you think you are making decisions like
that? I'm running a company here, and employees do NOT take it upon
themselves to make decisions like that!!!" My responses included:

1) It's not a problem. You just THINK it is, and THAT'S the problem. You
just need to get over it.

2) It's in the same category as which suitcase I choose to bring, and
which
clothing. Do you have any preferences about these things?

3) You control people, which is insulting. I control situations by
manipulating time, objects and information. Nobody's insulted that way.

Anyway....he never got over it, but at least he dropped the subject of
the
rental car.

Thursday afternoon, 5:00 PM, he tells me my sister and her family are
coming
to the office at 6:15 and we're all going out to dinner, and that he'll
be
in a meeting till 6:00. My work was done, so I said "OK...I'm going back
to
the hotel to wash up & change into warmer clothes. I'll be back here by
6:10".

This was not in his plans, so again, he twisted himself into knots and
said
"I expect you to wait here until then...." or some such crap. I asked
why,
in case there was a valid business reason. He said "Because when the
other
salespeople come in from around the country, that's what THEY do!" I
calmly
explained that because I was the only one there, there was no sensible
reason for it. He just shook his head & went back to his meeting. Outside
the restaurant, he took me aside to explain what a horrible thing I'd
done.
I suggested that if he needed to control everyone's actions, perhaps a
dog
would be a good thing to have. Dinner was great, though paradoxical.
Usually, he gives perfectly good waiters & waitresses a hard time over
nothing. That night, the waitress was an incompetent slug. The manager
came
over to take away appetizer plates. Dad says "That's a great waitress
you've
got there". The manager says "Well, she's been in this industry for
almost
10 years". Dad says "It certainly shows".

Life's weird.


Sounds like your dad has a very controlling personality, almost as bad
as my wife. It also sounds as though you have developed coping
mechanisms, as I have with my wife. Just be glad you don't have to
live with your dad!

I know that this is a psychological disorder, and can probably be
helped with therapy. However, controlling personality types don't
(obviously) like anyone suggesting they go to therapy. I don't know
what the solution is.

John H

The solution is to shock them, John. Buckets of cold water over their heads.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message .

When I was 7 or 8 years old I was smart enough to understand
separation of church and state. .

No. When you were 7 or 8 years old in the fifties you were able to grasp
the rudiments of a simplistic explanation. Apparently, you haven't given
the matter much observation or thought since.



Try looking at it from the viewpoint of the original Americans and it might
be easier to understand the problem. This assumes, of course, that you
realize the original Americans were pagans, not Christians.

There is, however, one benefit to her horse hobby. I can use it as
leverage when I need a new gadget for the boat.

My wife does the same thing, in reverse. Whenever she decides she wants
something in the "talk about it first" category, she merely calculates the
number of "moorage months" involved in her prospective purchase. Darn, she's
shrewd.

In fact she's very shrewd. I love dogs, but I have a cat instead. My wife
*hates* dogs. She has said, "It's me, or a dog." I tease her that when I come
home with a dog, she'll know its time to pack her stuff...(more likely she'd
pack mine.)

She's smart enough to know that she doesn't want to present, "It's me or the
boat." There are some things, like a dog, that a guy could live without.....

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 03:01:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:31:44 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

It's going to be fun to watch America squander its future.

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That's irresponsible to put it mildly.


You're right. It's irresponsible for a country to squander its future.

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Or enjoy watching it.