Oci-One Kanubi wrote:
pchuck (socemdog) typed:


Richard,

You gotta stop watching so many Michael Moore flix

Robin

Socemdog


Sorry, Robin; I didn't see it. I just read, watch the news, and think
for myself. I don' need no steenkin' Michael Moore to tell me how to
think! (^BD

I hope we all live long enuff to read the historians' perspectives on
this asshole's Administration, 20 or 30 years from now. Yule see.

Ahhh, yes, there's nothing like hatred and vitriol to warm the cockles
of one's heart. And you people actually wonder why your guy lost? If
nothing else, this thread has been good for a laugh.

"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
...
Felsenmeer wrote:

Same here... had to dodge powerboats whilst canoeing across crossing
Crooked
Lake. What scares me more than Bush getting re-elected is that it looks
like the country in general has swung even further to the right.

Liberals will never get it. Contrary to their deluded thinking, the
overwhelming majority of people in this country are conservative and
always have been.

I think it's the move towards puritanism that scares people.

Whenever liberalism manages to gain a toe-hold, it's slapped down in the
next election cycle. Americans don't want a liberal/progressive/socialist
country, period. Thank goodness for that!

Yeah! Who wants to be progressive! It's bad enough that black people are
free and women have the vote! Next thing you know poor people will be
accessing health care!

Nonsense! While it's definitely true that most Americans consume/waste too
much, recycle too little and don't put environmental concerns above issues
like values, security and economics, there is still enough concern to
prevent an environmental catastrophy. You watch, once the economy recovers
fully, there will be a push toward stronger environmental policies. In
some ways it's sad, but environmentalism only comes to the forefront when
we can afford it.

That perspective is sad indeed.

On 11-Nov-2004, ospam (Larry Cable) wrote:

I am actually stating that there is a civil war happening in Islam [...]
Just because you don't want to recognize it doesn't make it any less
true.

Not much gunfire for a civil war. It is certainly true that there is a lot
of anti-western propaganda in those countries. However, that doesn't mean
it's a war and it doesn't justify the Yanks jumping in with guns blazing.

If you want to see a lot of propaganda, follow the US media.

What he really was is a threat to the Gulf Oil Supplies. Last
time I looked the world still ran on oil.

No more so than the US. Is that what this is all about- oil? That's what
a lot of folks have been claiming. Not me - but oil is part of it.

But Saddam continued to violate the Cease Fire Agreement, so why should
we not punish him for those violations?

Bush and his cronies said nothing about this before invading. Remember
my comments about honesty? You can't justify an illegal action after the
fact and expect anyone to take you seriously. You have to deal with
the facts of what was said and done in the first place.

BTW - the accepted way to deal with Saddam was through the UN... something
the US can't seem to deal with. This is part of what really frustrates
the rest of the world - the US always wants to have everything done their
way - no International Court of Justice, no Kyoto Accord, no acceptance of
NAFTA and WTO rulings against the US etc. If you want to live in your own
little world, then erect a big fence and stay inside. If not, you have to
learn to deal with others.

Oh come on now, how stupidly far back are you going to go back.

It isn't me, Larry - it's the Arab community in the Middle East. _They_ go that
far back, whether you like it or not. _You_ have to deal with that. Ignoring
it will not solve any problem. Acknowledging that will allow you to grasp the
magnitude of the problem.

BTW, I don't believe that the US participated in any of the Crusades.

Are you trying to claim that no US citizens have European roots?

OK. The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor,
does that justify me talking some stupid 12 year old into blowing himself up in
local toyota dealship?

Some folks have longer memories than others. It did take your country a long
time to deal with the interned Japanese-Americans. Both Americans and Japanese
are rich - money heals all wounds. Muslims counrties are filled with poor
people. Go figure.

Kurds were
slaughtered with American-bought technology

Bull****, back this up with some hard facts.

Go look up where Saddam got his helicopters for one.

Mike

On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:25:13 GMT, "Michael Daly"
wrote:

Compare the number of Americans killed by terrorists on US soil in the
last (choose time period) years to the number of Americans murdered by
Americans on US soil in the same period. Are you sure that terrorists
are such a big problem? You'd save a lot more American lives by
spending those $billions at home than by waging illegal wars abroad.

Mike

Look at the number of Americans who kill themselves each year via
cigarettes- about 440,000, last I heard. I am not hearing about any
air strikes against the R.J. Reynolds headquarters.

Or the number who die each year of the flu- about 36,000, I believe,
yet my 86-year-old mother cannot get a flu shot. Who is protecting
who here?

9/11 was surely a tragedy, but it shouldn't divert us from some
clear-headed risk assessment.

Pete

Keenan Wellar wrote:
"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
...

Felsenmeer wrote:


Same here... had to dodge powerboats whilst canoeing across crossing
Crooked
Lake. What scares me more than Bush getting re-elected is that it looks
like the country in general has swung even further to the right.

Liberals will never get it. Contrary to their deluded thinking, the
overwhelming majority of people in this country are conservative and
always have been.

I think it's the move towards puritanism that scares people.

True. However, I think that's controllable.

Whenever liberalism manages to gain a toe-hold, it's slapped down in the
next election cycle. Americans don't want a liberal/progressive/socialist
country, period. Thank goodness for that!

Yeah! Who wants to be progressive! It's bad enough that black people are
free and women have the vote! Next thing you know poor people will be
accessing health care!

There's a big difference between civil rights and the socialist agenda
being pushed by the left.

As for health care, it's long past time that people realize that health
care is not a "right", never has been one and shouldn't be one. Despite
the flaws in our system, we still have the best health care in the
world, as evidenced by the number of people who still flock here from
other countries. If you want to see what a disaster socialized medicine
would be, all you have to do is look to the north.

Nonsense! While it's definitely true that most Americans consume/waste too
much, recycle too little and don't put environmental concerns above issues
like values, security and economics, there is still enough concern to
prevent an environmental catastrophy. You watch, once the economy recovers
fully, there will be a push toward stronger environmental policies. In
some ways it's sad, but environmentalism only comes to the forefront when
we can afford it.

That perspective is sad indeed.

What can I say, that's the reality of the situation. No one in
Washington - regardless of their political affiliation - is going to
sacrifice the economy for the environment. That's one reason that Ralph
Nader or the Green Party will never become a substantial force in
American politics; their radical agenda would devastate the economy,
assuming they could get any of it through Congress.

Brian Nystrom wrote in message ...
Oci-One Kanubi wrote:
pchuck (socemdog) typed:


Richard,

You gotta stop watching so many Michael Moore flix

Robin

Socemdog


Sorry, Robin; I didn't see it. I just read, watch the news, and think
for myself. I don' need no steenkin' Michael Moore to tell me how to
think! (^BD

I hope we all live long enuff to read the historians' perspectives on
this asshole's Administration, 20 or 30 years from now. Yule see.

Ahhh, yes, there's nothing like hatred and vitriol to warm the cockles
of one's heart. And you people actually wonder why your guy lost? If
nothing else, this thread has been good for a laugh.

Let them keep watching MM, irrelevance is fitting, they wear it so well!!

Thanks, Tinkerntom, aka KnesisKnosis, Life, Live it!

I
Wait, isn't that just in the Netherlands? Did a train blow up in Spain? Aren't
the French clamping down of Islamic Schools, which I believe your country is
going to do also? Haven't there been several terrorist plans broken up by
British Intellegence services?
Are all these actions really unneeded or do most Europeans feel that immigrants
from the Islamic world pose a threat to Western European Civilization?

The French are trying to keep church and state apart and so want no
religious symbols in Schools which are state run. The USA is having
difficulty keeping church and state apart despite its constitution I
would argue

SYOTR
Larry C.

--
Dave Manby
Details of the Coruh river and my book "Many Rivers To Run" at
http://www.dmanby.demon.co.uk

wrote:

On 13 Nov 2004 05:07:38 -0800, (Tinkerntom) wrote:


Funny how all the "Chicken Littles" come out of the woodwork every time

a Republican gets elected President. Yeah, I know, "The sky is
falling!"
and "it's the end of the world as we know it". Blah, blah, blah. Their
dire predictions never come to pass, but it doesn't stop them from
repeating them ad nausem. Some people really need to get a life.


Funny these all came about.

http://chak.org/pages/onion/bush_nightmare.html

You do realize that the Onion is a satirical paper produced in Berkeley,
Ca. (and has been since, , do you not? If not, I suggest that you reread
the articles with that in mind. Look at the front page and you may
notice Kerry arresting Bin Laden, and the "Nations' Wildlife Fleeing to
Canada."

Rick

in article .net, Rick at
wrote on 11/13/04 6:21 PM:

wrote:

On 13 Nov 2004 05:07:38 -0800, (Tinkerntom) wrote:


Funny how all the "Chicken Littles" come out of the woodwork every time

a Republican gets elected President. Yeah, I know, "The sky is
falling!"
and "it's the end of the world as we know it". Blah, blah, blah. Their
dire predictions never come to pass, but it doesn't stop them from
repeating them ad nausem. Some people really need to get a life.


Funny these all came about.

http://chak.org/pages/onion/bush_nightmare.html

You do realize that the Onion is a satirical paper produced in Berkeley,
Ca. (and has been since, , do you not? If not, I suggest that you reread
the articles with that in mind. Look at the front page and you may
notice Kerry arresting Bin Laden, and the "Nations' Wildlife Fleeing to
Canada."

Rick

That last one could be true!

no one in Washington - regardless of their political affiliation -
is going to sacrifice the economy for the environment.

strange how there is always enough money for war
but not for the environment.
If only there was a war against pollution...
And those who are not with us, are?