On 6-Nov-2004, "rick etter" wrote:

If you really want to clean up the air, then start banning over a million
and a half vehicles in the park the rest of the year. Oh, wait, you just
want to fuss about the little things, uh?

Since when do snowmobiles have the same pollution control equipment as cars?

Mike

riverman wrote:
I mean it. Four more years of President Bush could mean a lot of our
wilderness gets opened up to development and timber harvesting. I haven't
been this worried for the wildlands since James Watt.

Funny how all the "Chicken Littles" come out of the woodwork every time
a Republican gets elected President. Yeah, I know, "The sky is falling!"
and "it's the end of the world as we know it". Blah, blah, blah. Their
dire predictions never come to pass, but it doesn't stop them from
repeating them ad nausem. Some people really need to get a life.

"Michael Daly" wrote in message
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On 6-Nov-2004, "rick etter" wrote:

If you really want to clean up the air, then start banning over a million
and a half vehicles in the park the rest of the year. Oh, wait, you just
want to fuss about the little things, uh?

Since when do snowmobiles have the same pollution control equipment as
cars?
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Where did I say they do? The fact remains that a few thousand sno-cats
aren't going to equate to almost 2 million cars. Again, if cleaning up the
air in the park is really the intent, then the real solution is the
cars/trucks/buses/RVs.




Mike

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On 6 Nov 2004 13:46:54 GMT, (William R.
Watt) wrote:

I don't think anyone can cite Jesus Chris on environmental issues since he
was only concerned with things spiritual.

As if the two were unrelated . . . .

Indeed, the spirit exsists separate from the outside world and is
contaminated by it. Goes right back to the Garden of Eden in Christian
theology where knowlege of the temporal world is equated with evil. A true
mystic attempts to cut off all exterior perception in order to know the
inner spirit.

When paddlers call their sport (or recreational passtime, however
one approaches the activity) "spiritual" they are merely being selfish,
self-serving, and trendy. That may or may not not be evil, and it may
be a change from their normal environment, and they may find it pleasant
by comparison, but it's not spiritual.
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Paul Tomblin ) writes:

I was going to say that I am a Canadian and the CBC was my main source of
TV news (we could only get two channels where I lived, and I hated CTV)
through the Reagan years, and yet at the time I knew all this stuff about
James Watt. But then William Watt now has the full resources of the
Internet at his beck and call, and he's still ignorant.

.... Canadian living in the USA where he has a higher income and
lower taxes making paddling a more affordable passtime.

I've switched to CBC Radio 2 and am listening to operas instead of left
wing news broadcasts and interviews on CBC Radio 1. every time they
mentioned paddlign on CBC Raio 1 they link it to Canada's arch socialist
Prime Minster (Trudeau) who liked to be photographed in a canoe. When he
paddled teh Back River in the arctic with the Morse's he got bored with
the flat sections. How spiritual can you get?


There is a famous exchange, usually attributed to Disraeli and Gladstone:
"After listening to your explanation, I'm still ignorant."
"Yes, but you're much better informed."

sorry, but by definition one can't be ignorant and informed. they have
opposite meanings. I think it better illustrates the propensity for a
politcian to speak endlessly without actually saying anything. Politics
appeals to the emotions, not the intellect.

why do people blame James Watt? he didn't appoint himself Secetary of some
government department. somebodyh else did. in spite of his politics, you
have to admire anyone in Washingtom who speaks plainly and means what he
says. maybe that's why GW Bush has been reelected. It's why Mike Harris
was reelected in Ontario, and Ralph Klien keeps getting reelcted in
Alberta.

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On 7-Nov-2004, (William R. Watt) wrote:

... Canadian living in the USA where he has a higher income and
lower taxes making paddling a more affordable passtime.

And yet the Canadian dollar, currently at US$0.83 is at purchasing
parity with the US$. In other words, for US$0.83, you can buy the
same goods and services in Canada as you can with US$1.00 in the US.
So much for your fantasies.

Paddling equipment has long been cheaper in Canada than in the US
as long as you buy Canadian products.

Mike

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On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:57:37 GMT, "rick etter" wrote:


wrote in message
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On 04 Nov 2004 02:21:20 GMT, pchuck (socemdog) wrote:

Hey, Myron,

I would really appreciate it if someone could tell me specifically any
action
taken by President Bush or his administration that has threatened our
wildernesses.
Robin

http://nrdc.org/bushrecord/


LOL Hardly non-biased, and just looking at the first 'article' it is full
of hype and mis-leading spew....

You wanted a list. this is a list. And its quite accurate. Rather than
address the issues and actions raised you instead hide behind the
dismissive labeling so you don't have to think about the content.
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Hardly as factual as you'd like to claim. The proof is in that *you* has to
dis-honestly snip out most of my post without annotation of such.
It is you that is hiding. I have pointed out the mis-leading info, and you
have failed to refute it, nor have you tried to engage in conversation.
Instead, you have snipped my comments and spewed your own little spin on
your lack of facts....

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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:40:39 GMT, Brian Nystrom
wrote:

riverman wrote:
I mean it. Four more years of President Bush could mean a lot of our
wilderness gets opened up to development and timber harvesting. I
haven't
been this worried for the wildlands since James Watt.

Funny how all the "Chicken Littles" come out of the woodwork every time
a Republican gets elected President. Yeah, I know, "The sky is falling!"
and "it's the end of the world as we know it". Blah, blah, blah. Their
dire predictions never come to pass, but it doesn't stop them from
repeating them ad nausem. Some people really need to get a life.


Think so?
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Why is it that you appear to have nothing to say unless somebody else has
already writtten it down for you? You have no thoughts of your own, or
just too stupid to think of anything?



http://chak.org/pages/onion/bush_nightmare.html

"Michael Daly"

in message Message-ID:

Well, the court settlement that allowed snowmobiles back in the Park required
that the outfitters that rented the vast majority of these machines switch to 4
cycle engines with strict limits on the noise levels. The 4 cycle machines are
pretty close to autos in emissions.

SYOTR
Larry C.

Brian Nystrom wrotyped:

I mean it. Four more years of President Bush could mean a lot of our
wilderness gets opened up to development and timber harvesting. I haven't
been this worried for the wildlands since James Watt.

Funny how all the "Chicken Littles" come out of the woodwork every time
a Republican gets elected President. Yeah, I know, "The sky is falling!"
and "it's the end of the world as we know it". Blah, blah, blah. Their
dire predictions never come to pass, but it doesn't stop them from
repeating them ad nausem. Some people really need to get a life.


Huh? In 2000, I predicted that electing a drooling idiot as President
was going to have dire consequences, and my prediction has sooooooooo
came to pass.

The Bush administration has fed on the differences amongst Americans
to divide the country more than it has been in my lifetime. It has
encouraged and enhanced the income disparities amongst Americans,
beyond even the kinds of disparities that existed in the robber-baron
decades. It has run us into incredible debt (75% of which is held by
*China*, for gawd's sake!). It has failed to fund the educational
improvements it brags about (like Bush would have a prayer of being
elected by an educated electorate!) It has adopted a secret energy
policy, and it has systematically dismantled our environmental
protections (it is, in the 21st century, evidently OK to **** where
the common people eat). Most disgusting of all, it has used a true
national disaster as a pretext for starting a totally irrelevant war.

This administration has consistently lied to us, and has lived up to
every dire prediction that has been made. These anti-patriots have
turned my beautiful United States into the scourge of the world, and I
cannot express my shame that 50% of Americans are wicked, greedy, or
stupid enough to have sent them back there the continue to drag our
country down into the dirt. Let us all please hope and pray that
this administration fails to maintain its record, and that no more of
the many realistic predictions of disaster actually come to pass.


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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