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Manatee speed rules unconstituitional?
Yup, Steve just catches them, molests them a little and turns the loose.
Unless you're Steve Erwin. -W "Greg" wrote in message ... Well, then, you should hope you don't meet up with a hungry alligator. Sadly, of course, man-eating alligators are shot. Only a sissy shoots an aligator, You hook them and whack them in the head. |
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Manatee speed rules unconstituitional?
This is a very small area that is getting massive amounts of national
attention, mostly because the Save The Manatee club spams the whole country with Action Alerts that have cut paste letters and the Email address of legislators. This has 15 year old girls in Nebraska effectively making policy for people 1800 miles away. I notice the left abhors the same type of thing when the NRA does it. |
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Manatee speed rules unconstituitional?
Nothing is "outside the scope" of rec.boats. That's why its a train wreck
full of chuckles. "Clams Canino" wrote in message news:M3sFb.452051$275.1329244@attbi_s53... Bzzzt. Outside the scope of the discussion, which is a *legal* issues discussion, not a morality discussion. Natural rights need some codification before a court can deal with them. -W "Eric H" wrote in message news:AOrFb.50$im3.27@fe01... "Some federal use the 14th amendment to expand federal powers in the aim of insuring HUMAN rights but manatee have no constitutional rights." What about natural rights? |
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Manatee speed rules unconstituitional?
Besides, it's been scientifically shown that slower boats hit manatees more
than fast ones. They can't hear the slow ones coming, but seem to be able to hear the fast ones and get out of the way. Lots of bad science out there "proving" things that folks with an agenda want "proven". "Greg" wrote in message ... Hey, go for it: kill all the manatees If people actually knew what they were talking about they would know the State of Florida DOES have plenty of manatee speed zones that are somewhat based on scientific studies. The federal zone in question is simply a knee jerk reaction to a law suit against Gail Norton and has no scientific reason to be. |
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Manatee speed rules unconstituitional?
Harry Krause wrote in message ...
Greg wrote: The 10th amendment says' Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. For the same reason that "murder" is a state crime, "speeding" should be too. The only federal crimes, according to the Constitution, are treason and counterfeiting. Some federal use the 14th amendment to expand federal powers in the aim of insuring HUMAN rights but manatee have no constitutional rights. Hey, go for it: kill all the manatees, burn down all the trees, and bury the spent nuclear rods in your back yard. After all, why should anything interfere with your Constitutionally granted right to drive your boat at any speed you like? My God man. Why must you always get so hysterical? No one here, not one of use has advocated burning down trees, storing rods in public areas, etc. It is just not true. Why must you always carry on like a 14 year old? I just don't get it. |
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Manatee speed rules unconstituitional?
Backyard Renegade wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message ... Greg wrote: The 10th amendment says' Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. For the same reason that "murder" is a state crime, "speeding" should be too. The only federal crimes, according to the Constitution, are treason and counterfeiting. Some federal use the 14th amendment to expand federal powers in the aim of insuring HUMAN rights but manatee have no constitutional rights. Hey, go for it: kill all the manatees, burn down all the trees, and bury the spent nuclear rods in your back yard. After all, why should anything interfere with your Constitutionally granted right to drive your boat at any speed you like? My God man. Why must you always get so hysterical? No one here, not one of use has advocated burning down trees, storing rods in public areas, etc. It is just not true. Why must you always carry on like a 14 year old? I just don't get it. Whoooooooosh. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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Manatee speed rules unconstituitional?
West Indies Manatees become very susceptible to viruses and die when the
water temp falls to the mid-to-high 50's. They are unnaturally drawn to the warm-water discharge from FPL's plant along the Caloosahatchee...instead of swimming back to where they came from. "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Greg, Why is he dying? Paul "Greg" wrote in message ... Obviously, then, this is the weekend to get out in your powerboats, open the throttles and slam into as many manatees as possible. You are going to have to be doing doughnuts at the end of the FPL discharge pipes at the power plant. The water temperature is around 61-63 everywhere else and if there is a manatee there he is dying anyway. |
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Manatee speed rules unconstituitional?
Doug,
The dynamics behind the manatee war has more to do with a group of "preservationists" who oppose increased use of the waterways down here. The Save the Manatee's founding principles may have been to protect the manatee. However, its current agenda is to remove as many powerboats from the waters by finding means to restrict access. Most of its members are either non-boaters...or waterfront property owners who already have *their* dock and don't want anybody else out on *their* waterways. Here's an admission of "Fact" from their own website: MYTH #7: If the government adopts additional manatee sanctuaries and refuges, shoreline property owners will not be able to have boat access to their land. FACT: There would be 100% access by boat to shoreline property by property owners and their guests but not by the general boating public. In addition to protecting manatees in essential habitat, this limitation on boat traffic would help protect both natural shorelines and seawalls from erosion and allow for more backyard privacy. It would help protect boats moored adjacent to private property from the wakes of passing boats and cut down on noise. It would also help prevent theft and vandalism. To summarize one *why* SMC is for slow speed zones: 1) limit boat traffic to protect seawalls 2) limit boat traffic to allow more backyard privacy 3) protect boats moored to adjacent private property from the wakes of passing boats 4) cut down noise (in their backyards) 5) prevent theft and vandalism (what does speed have to do with that!) As boat owners, everybody here should be outraged. It's not about manatees! "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Interesting. Not based on sound science. We have hunting & fishing regs which are based on whatever science we have, even though it may be imperfect thus far. I don't know many people who complain about those regulations. |
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Manatee speed rules unconstituitional?
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Greg" wrote in message ... The thing that makes this unconstitutional is that there is a federal regulation. This is a state issue. So are a number of other wildlife regulations. I suspect it has to do with one of two things: 1) If the Feds do a study first, they make the regulation 2) If a state stands to **** off a group of some sort, politicians find a way to get the Feds to make the rule. This keeps the in-state blowjob cycle intact. We used to call it "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours". Now it's the blowjob cycle. Some Florida politician didn't want to **** of boaters, so he arranged for the Feds to do it. No. Save the Manatee sued the Feds and got a "back-room" settlement. Gale Norton decided not to enforce the settlement and was forced by a Clinton-appointed US district court judge (Emmitt Sullivan--the same guy that ordered the release of Cheney's task force energy documents) to enact the zones or be held in contempt. Sullivan sits on a bench in DC, not Florida...and knows nothing about manatees except what SMC tells him. Here's the enemy: http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/sullivan-bio.html In response, Norton instituted the zones...but the Feds don't have the resources to enforce them. :-) Now, local law enforcement is refusing to do the Fed's dirty work. :-) |
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