I had a conversation with my favorite o/b motor mechanic today about my
using synthetic oil in my various 2 cycle motors. I have been using it for
about a year in one and see less smoke, and understand that it is
bio-degradable. ( I know, I know, everything is sooner or later
biodegradable). It is about twice the expense of "regular" oil, but that
price would probably drop somewhat if more people used it.

Anyhow, I posed the question that if "everyone who is presently using a 2
cycle engine ( that's me, I have 3 of them)..switched it the more expensive
but supposedly less polluting synthetic oil, would we get the environmental
agencies off of our backs for another ten years?", I'm assuming that many
two cycles will probably be gone from the boating arena by the end of ten
years.

Any comments????....( be nice )!

Instead of the continuing efforts to ban 2 cycle outboards, I'd rather see
these bans have grandfather clauses and total exemptions for those running
synthetic oils.

It's my feeling that the 2 cycle bans might be kind of silly anyway. I mean
the "golden age" of the 2 cycle outboard has already come and gone and I've
never seen any quantifier of "damage" they've done to the lake environments.

-W



"RG" wrote in message
...
I had a conversation with my favorite o/b motor mechanic today about my
using synthetic oil in my various 2 cycle motors. I have been using it for
about a year in one and see less smoke, and understand that it is
bio-degradable. ( I know, I know, everything is sooner or later
biodegradable). It is about twice the expense of "regular" oil, but that
price would probably drop somewhat if more people used it.

Anyhow, I posed the question that if "everyone who is presently using a 2
cycle engine ( that's me, I have 3 of them)..switched it the more
expensive
but supposedly less polluting synthetic oil, would we get the
environmental
agencies off of our backs for another ten years?", I'm assuming that many
two cycles will probably be gone from the boating arena by the end of ten
years.

Any comments????....( be nice )!

"RG" wrote in message
...
I had a conversation with my favorite o/b motor mechanic today about my
using synthetic oil in my various 2 cycle motors. I have been using it for
about a year in one and see less smoke, and understand that it is
bio-degradable. ( I know, I know, everything is sooner or later
biodegradable). It is about twice the expense of "regular" oil, but that
price would probably drop somewhat if more people used it.


That question has been around for almost 10 years and gets asked quite
often. Basically the different government bodies say that outboard exhaust
pollution is about air quality. The oil issue is would be about water
quality, and there are no reported problems with outboard oils since they
dissipate fairly quickly. This is not crude oil like from the Exxon Valdez.
I understand that in Europe there are a few places that require the
semi-biodegradable oils such as Mercury's and Bombardier's products.

Bill Grannis
service manager

If it's about air quality, then DFI would have to be exempted.

Personally, I don't think the aggregate number of 2 stroke outboards is
sufficiant to make a significant contribution to air pollution. While I'd
agree they are a lot dirtier than comparable 4 cycles, there just aren't
enough of them running to impact anything real.

-W


"Billgran" wrote in message
om...

Basically the different government bodies say that outboard exhaust
pollution is about air quality. The oil issue is would be about water
quality, and there are no reported problems with outboard oils since they
dissipate fairly quickly.

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:SIDEb.429634$ao4.1362098@attbi_s51...
If it's about air quality, then DFI would have to be exempted.

Personally, I don't think the aggregate number of 2 stroke outboards is
sufficiant to make a significant contribution to air pollution. While I'd
agree they are a lot dirtier than comparable 4 cycles, there just aren't
enough of them running to impact anything real.

-W

Most people are under the impression that a 4-stroke is cleaner, but a DFI,
such as a late model Evinrude, has fewer total emissions than a late model
EFI 4-stroke. The great thing about DFI is that its emission output stays
fairly steady throughout the life of the motor. On the other hand, a
4-stroke gets dirtier (increased hydrocarbon emissions) as it wears (about
350-400 hours) and oil starts getting by the rings and the valve guides. It
doesn't even have to "smoke" to drastically increase its emissions.

Bill Grannis
service manager

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:16:02 GMT, "Billgran"
wrote:


"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:SIDEb.429634$ao4.1362098@attbi_s51...
If it's about air quality, then DFI would have to be exempted.

Personally, I don't think the aggregate number of 2 stroke outboards is
sufficiant to make a significant contribution to air pollution. While I'd
agree they are a lot dirtier than comparable 4 cycles, there just aren't
enough of them running to impact anything real.

-W

Most people are under the impression that a 4-stroke is cleaner, but a DFI,
such as a late model Evinrude, has fewer total emissions than a late model
EFI 4-stroke. The great thing about DFI is that its emission output stays
fairly steady throughout the life of the motor.

Could that be because the 4-stroke lasts so much longer? Sorry,
couldn't resist.

Steve

Most people are under the impression that a 4-stroke is cleaner, but a DFI,
such as a late model Evinrude, has fewer total emissions than a late model
EFI 4-stroke. The great thing about DFI is that its emission output stays
fairly steady throughout the life of the motor.

Could that be because the 4-stroke lasts so much longer? Sorry,
couldn't resist.

Steve


When it comes to marine engines, I'll bet there's a whole lot more old 2
strokes than 4 strokes.

I couldn't resist either.

Barry

On 20 Dec 2003 19:39:11 GMT, ospam (F330 GT) wrote:

Most people are under the impression that a 4-stroke is cleaner, but a DFI,
such as a late model Evinrude, has fewer total emissions than a late model
EFI 4-stroke. The great thing about DFI is that its emission output stays
fairly steady throughout the life of the motor.

Could that be because the 4-stroke lasts so much longer? Sorry,
couldn't resist.

Steve


When it comes to marine engines, I'll bet there's a whole lot more old 2
strokes than 4 strokes.

I couldn't resist either.

I'll be there isn't. Remember, we're talking about DFI 2 strokes. But
since you mentioned all marine engines, there could be a lot more old 4
strokes there as well. Just not outboards.

Steve

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 20 Dec 2003 19:39:11 GMT, ospam (F330 GT) wrote:

Most people are under the impression that a 4-stroke is cleaner, but a DFI,
such as a late model Evinrude, has fewer total emissions than a late model
EFI 4-stroke. The great thing about DFI is that its emission output stays
fairly steady throughout the life of the motor.

Could that be because the 4-stroke lasts so much longer? Sorry,
couldn't resist.

Steve


When it comes to marine engines, I'll bet there's a whole lot more old 2
strokes than 4 strokes.

I couldn't resist either.

I'll be there isn't. Remember, we're talking about DFI 2 strokes. But
since you mentioned all marine engines, there could be a lot more old 4
strokes there as well. Just not outboards.

Steve


Hmm, are you including two stroke diesels in that data?

On 23 Dec 2003 10:26:16 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 20 Dec 2003 19:39:11 GMT, ospam (F330 GT) wrote:

Most people are under the impression that a 4-stroke is cleaner, but a DFI,
such as a late model Evinrude, has fewer total emissions than a late model
EFI 4-stroke. The great thing about DFI is that its emission output stays
fairly steady throughout the life of the motor.

Could that be because the 4-stroke lasts so much longer? Sorry,
couldn't resist.


When it comes to marine engines, I'll bet there's a whole lot more old 2
strokes than 4 strokes.

I couldn't resist either.

I'll be there isn't. Remember, we're talking about DFI 2 strokes. But
since you mentioned all marine engines, there could be a lot more old 4
strokes there as well. Just not outboards.

Hmm, are you including two stroke diesels in that data?

No. If you want to, go ahead. But only old marine ones.

Steve