JohnH wrote:


Harry, just what rights have you lost under the Patriot Act. I've asked you this
before, but you apparently missed the question.

I'm not Harry (not by a long way) but I believe I can answer this.

** from http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...lofrights.html **

Bill of Rights

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,
against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no
warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and
particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things
to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless
on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the
land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or
public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put
in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a
witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due
process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just
compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and
public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall

have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law,
and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be
confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining
witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his
defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars,
the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall
be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the
rules of the common law.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to
deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by
it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Please....these amendments are a bunch of crap and you know it. Left-wing
drivel. Where did you find them? New York Times?

"DSK" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:


Harry, just what rights have you lost under the Patriot Act. I've asked
you this
before, but you apparently missed the question.

I'm not Harry (not by a long way) but I believe I can answer this.

** from
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...lofrights.html **

Bill of Rights

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects,
against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no
warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or
affirmation, and
particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or
things
to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
crime, unless
on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in
the
land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of
war or
public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be
twice put
in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case
to be a
witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property,
without due
process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use,
without just
compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a
speedy and
public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the
crime shall

have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained
by law,
and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be
confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for
obtaining
witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his
defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty
dollars,
the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a
jury, shall
be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according
to the
rules of the common law.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
construed to
deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by
it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the
people.

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:39:52 -0500, DSK wrote:

JohnH wrote:


Harry, just what rights have you lost under the Patriot Act. I've asked you this
before, but you apparently missed the question.

I'm not Harry (not by a long way) but I believe I can answer this.

** from http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...lofrights.html **

Bill of Rights

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,
against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no
warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and
particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things
to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless
on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the
land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or
public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put
in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a
witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due
process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just
compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and
public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall

have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law,
and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be
confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining
witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his
defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars,
the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall
be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the
rules of the common law.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to
deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by
it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Can you please show us the title, sub-title, and section numbers of the act
which remove those rights?

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

"JohnH" wrote in message
...


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by
it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the
people.

Can you please show us the title, sub-title, and section numbers of the
act
which remove those rights?

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

He doesn't need to, John. You've already seen one glaring example of the
government's willingness and ability to remove certain rights. Unless, of
course, you are claiming that the case of Jose Padilla is a complete
fabrication, and that the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals reviewed something
that didn't exist. Is that what you're saying?

snip
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by
it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the
people.

Can you please show us the title, sub-title, and section numbers of the act
which remove those rights?

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
I will give you some pointers to find this out for your self:

http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveilla...t_analysis.php

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Safe...ID=12126&c=207

http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RS21203.pdf

Mark Browne

snip
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by
it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the
people.

Can you please show us the title, sub-title, and section numbers of the act
which remove those rights?

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

The most direct answer to your question:

http://www.aclu.org/Files/OpenFile.cfm?id=11812

Mark Browne

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:39:52 +0000, DSK wrote:

JohnH wrote:


Harry, just what rights have you lost under the Patriot Act. I've asked you this
before, but you apparently missed the question.

I'm not Harry (not by a long way) but I believe I can answer this.

** from http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...lofrights.html **

Bill of Rights



Interesting Stuff. Somebody wanna tell the "prisoners" at Guantanamo Bay?

Lloyd

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:39:52 +0000, DSK wrote:

JohnH wrote:


Harry, just what rights have you lost under the Patriot Act. I've asked you this
before, but you apparently missed the question.

I'm not Harry (not by a long way) but I believe I can answer this.

** from http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...lofrights.html **

Bill of Rights



Interesting Stuff. Somebody wanna tell the "prisoners" at Guantanamo Bay?

Lloyd



The righties make the argument that the U.S. Constitution only applies
to U.S. citizens in the USA or, at best, to some foreigners living in
the U.S.

Far too rigid. In the court of world opinion, we are judged by how we
treat everyone and anyone. It's damned difficult to sell what little
remains of our democracy to those in other countries if we don't behave
much differently than their leaders we overthrew.

For many Muslims, we're not behaving much differently than Saddam. We're
mistreating captives, we're shooting civilians and we're profiteering
off of misery. Perceptions are damned important.



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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:54:13 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:39:52 +0000, DSK wrote:

JohnH wrote:


Harry, just what rights have you lost under the Patriot Act. I've asked you this
before, but you apparently missed the question.

I'm not Harry (not by a long way) but I believe I can answer this.

** from http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...lofrights.html **

Bill of Rights



Interesting Stuff. Somebody wanna tell the "prisoners" at Guantanamo Bay?

Lloyd


Not sure if the Bill of Rights applies. Note this amendment:

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime,
unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, *except in cases arising
in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time
of war or public danger*[emphasis added]; nor shall any person be subject for
the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be
compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived
of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private
property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD