That's 4 out of 5.

just sayin'

-W

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:49:48 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

That's 4 out of 5.

just sayin'

Just saying what?

Take care.

Tom

"The beatings will stop when morale improves."
E. Teach, 1717

"Clams Canino" wrote in message hlink.net...
That's 4 out of 5.

just sayin'

-W

What were the causes of the towings? If engine related, could hardly
be the fault of Bilgeliner, since they don't make engines and drive
trains.

Actually it ran out of gas.....

There is some question as to the accuracy of the gas guage.... but the real
answer here could be more deep. Since we know Bayliner is a "price boat"
most often bought by new boaters. Then equipment aside, new boaters are
bound to make more silly mistakes than experienced boaters.

So even without equipment failures, I think one is bound to see more newbies
driving Bayliners.

The other one I towed here on Hartwell had the duel issue that the starter
bendix needed some WD-40 and improper starting procedure on the POS Force it
was equipped with. Again - brandy new boater - used 1st boat. This one was
easy as I sprayed his bendix and showed him how to start an outboard.

My wife and I came to the conclusion that Bayliners might have a duel issue.
The equipment AND the overall caliper of operator.

-W



"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Clams Canino" wrote in message
hlink.net...
That's 4 out of 5.

just sayin'

-W

What were the causes of the towings? If engine related, could hardly
be the fault of Bilgeliner, since they don't make engines and drive
trains.

I don't have an outboard anymore but I'm curious, what is the bendix and
why does it need WD-40? Also, what was the guy doing wrong to start
his engine -- isn't it just give it proper gas & choke and run starter for
short amount of time until engine starts??

"Clams Canino" wrote in message hlink.net...
That's 4 out of 5.

just sayin'

-W

Clams,

stop towing this thing back! Maybe their owner doesnt want it anymore!



Matt

Just saying what?

Take care.

Tom


All I can figure out is the 80% of the boats where Clams lives must be
Bayliners.

Either that, or he sold engine rebuilds to 5 Bayliners, and 4 have had to be
towed back to the dock........(just joking)

There is no credible foundation to stories that Bayliners are inherently less
mechanically reliable than most other boats in the same class. They often have
newbie owners aboard who run out of fuel,
drain the batteries, run over a pot line and foul the prop, forget to service
the fuel filters, fail to notice an overheat situation, etc. Put the same
people on any other brand of boat, and they will experience the same results.

Harry has a theory that the machinery in a Bayliner is never installed
properly. While that might affect shaft alignment and other minor
considerations, it's pretty tough to
screw up an installation to the point where the engine runs only
intermittently.

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:49:48 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:
That's 4 out of 5.

just sayin'

====================

Are you working a Sea Tow gig now?

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:06:51 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:


Actually it ran out of gas.....

Ah - newbie.

Then again, I've done it myself. Once when I had a faulty gauge and
didn't think to actually check why the gauge stayed on full for three
hours.

The other one I towed here on Hartwell had the duel issue that the starter
bendix needed some WD-40 and improper starting procedure on the POS Force it
was equipped with. Again - brandy new boater - used 1st boat. This one was
easy as I sprayed his bendix and showed him how to start an outboard.

I see this a lot when I'm at some of the bigger lakes around here.
There was one guy this spring who, and if I'm lying, I'm dying,
couldn't get his engine started. I hung around the ramp and finally
used my trolling motor to go over and see what was what. The driver
told me that his engine always did that - it took fifteen/twenty
cranks to start and then it ran like crap for a while, then everything
was fine.

I pressed the primer bulb, rotated the choke lever up and wham - first
time. The guy looked at me like I was some kind of freakin' magician.

Sometimes you just can't make it up.

Later,

Tom
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like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

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basskisser wrote:
"Clams Canino" wrote in message hlink.net...
That's 4 out of 5.

just sayin'

-W

What were the causes of the towings? If engine related, could hardly
be the fault of Bilgeliner, since they don't make engines and drive
trains.


Wrong. The boat manufacturer is responsible for installing the engine
properly, on the right sort of stringers, with the proper wiring and
switches, and for testing it. If the boat manufacturer scrimps in these
areas, it may lead to an improperly installed and operating engine, one
that fails prematurely.

Nope, not wrong. Let's just assume that, because someone bought
contaminated fuel from a vendor, and put it in his Bayliner, resulting
in, let's say, a fuel pump failure. That would, in no way be a fault
of Bayliner. It would, however, be the fault of the vendor, for
selling such fuel.
Second scenario. Let's say that the engine just breaks a valve spring,
allowing the valve to beat a hole in the piston. This would simply be
a case where the engine manufacturer was clearly at fault, the part
having to have been flawed. Something such as this won't necessarily
show up in a new engine run through, and may well take 100 or so hours
to show up. Would you assume that Bayliner should dyno test each and
every motor for 100 hours? That would then be a used boat! But, one
would assume that a given engine would last at least that 100 hours,
correct? And one would also assume that the engine manufacturer would
honor their warranty for such, right?
Had a friend that had a Alumacraft with a 135 merc outboard. Major
engine electrical problem. Guess who took the blame and fixed it? NOT
Alumacraft, that's for sure!