"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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And Kerry said he is going to raise the Gas tax by 50 cents a gallon
immendiately and another 50 cents a gallon in 6 months. That will
really
help gas prices and the economy.

Unless you can substantiate that with something stronger than "Sean
Hannity
says........", I call bull****


http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/r...2004_0525.html

WOW! How ground-breaking!

"As part of his plan to do this, Kerry said he will invest in new
technologies and alternative fuels, and establish a realistic fuel
economy
standard coupled with tax incentives for consumers to buy and
manufacturers
to build the efficient vehicles of the future. Specifically, Kerry said
he
will offer $10 billion in new incentives for the American automobile
industry to lead the world in building Advanced Technology Vehicles and
offer consumers a $4,000 tax credit to help them afford the vehicles.

Kerry also said he will help families by managing the strategic petroleum
reserve to protect our security without driving up prices and engaging in
diplomacy to ensure US consumers are not held hostage to instability in
the
Middle East. "

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So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?



Consider the opposite: We now have a tax incentive available which
included
Hummers. I have no idea when it was enacted, but at the very least, Bush
could interrupt his 18,000th game of Grand Theft Auto and spend a week
eliminating a law which is an embarrassment, considering the current
environment.


Agreed.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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And Kerry said he is going to raise the Gas tax by 50 cents a gallon
immendiately and another 50 cents a gallon in 6 months. That will
really
help gas prices and the economy.

Unless you can substantiate that with something stronger than "Sean
Hannity
says........", I call bull****


http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/r...2004_0525.html

WOW! How ground-breaking!

"As part of his plan to do this, Kerry said he will invest in new
technologies and alternative fuels, and establish a realistic fuel
economy
standard coupled with tax incentives for consumers to buy and
manufacturers
to build the efficient vehicles of the future. Specifically, Kerry said
he
will offer $10 billion in new incentives for the American automobile
industry to lead the world in building Advanced Technology Vehicles and
offer consumers a $4,000 tax credit to help them afford the vehicles.

Kerry also said he will help families by managing the strategic petroleum
reserve to protect our security without driving up prices and engaging in
diplomacy to ensure US consumers are not held hostage to instability in
the
Middle East. "

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So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?



Consider the opposite: We now have a tax incentive available which
included
Hummers. I have no idea when it was enacted, but at the very least, Bush
could interrupt his 18,000th game of Grand Theft Auto and spend a week
eliminating a law which is an embarrassment, considering the current
environment.


I agree with you...and apparently so does Bush and the Republican-controlled
Congress:

"Small business owners who want to purchase Hummers won't be so lucky, since
lawmakers agreed to sew up what's been labeled a loophole in current tax
law, which lets such businesses deduct up to $100,000 from their taxable
income for purchasing a sport utility vehicle or a light truck weighing at
least 6,000 pounds.

This tax break became known as a loophole for business owners wanting to buy
a Hummer or other large vehicles for personal use. Hummer models cost
between $50,000 and $100,000. "



http://www.investors.com/breakingnew...23448126&brk=1

Do I understand this statement correctly ... that there is a tax
incentive to purchase a Hummer?

There is, or very recently was, a tax write off for vehicles above a certain
GVW purchased by businesses. I think it was 7000 pounds. The auto industry says
that the most significant impact of the law was a huge increase in the number
of people buying the largest SUV's for use as executive vehicles.

So back to my questions:
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

I don't think it's realistic to expect either president to dramatically lower
the price of gas in the immediate future. We need long term policies so that we
aren't held hostage by every little feifdom on the planet with an oil well.

As far as "how does the plan differ from Bush"........

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/compare.html

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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So back to my questions:
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

I don't think it's realistic to expect either president to dramatically
lower
the price of gas in the immediate future. We need long term policies so
that we
aren't held hostage by every little feifdom on the planet with an oil
well.

As far as "how does the plan differ from Bush"........

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/compare.html

Working with Oil Producers
Bush (according to Kerry): Broke his promise to force OPEC to "open the
spigots"

Kerry : Bring a renewed American position to work with OPEC to manage supply

How does he plan to do that, hmmmmmm? I thought you guys are the ones who
keep saying that Bush has more influence with the Saudis?

Managing the Strategic Oil Reserve
Bush (according to Kerry): Unnecessarily filling, which takes oil off an
already tight market
Kerry: Manage effectively to protect supply without hurting the economy

" Using the SPR solely for political purposes to lower gasoline prices would
reduce our protection and weaken our position in that war. "--Bush


Increasing Fuel Efficiency
Bush (according to Kerry): Ignores need for increased fuel efficiency
Kerry: Set goals for increased fuel efficiency, rely on sound science

False. Bush sent his energy plan to Congress earlier this year.
The President's energy plan focuses on three top priorities:

1.. Encouraging new production, conservation, and technology like ethanol,
clean coal and hydrogen power;
2.. Modernizing and expanding the electricity grid, and passing mandatory
reliability standards so the system has adequate capacity; and,
3.. Promoting efficiency, raising fuel economy standards, and encouraging
investment in our energy infrastructure.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Doug Kanter wrote:



Consider the opposite: We now have a tax incentive available which
included
Hummers. I have no idea when it was enacted, but at the very least, Bush
could interrupt his 18,000th game of Grand Theft Auto and spend a week
eliminating a law which is an embarrassment, considering the current
environment.



Do I understand this statement correctly ... that there is a tax
incentive to purchase a Hummer?

Last time I looked the opposite was true. There is a "Gas Guzzler" tax
paid on all new vehicles that do not meet certain fuel mileage
guidelines.

Eisboch

There was until very recently a huge incentive to purchase huge
truck-like vehicles. I believe it was a one-year write-off...in other
words, buy a huge pickup trick for your "business" (if you are a
dentist, picking up a tank of laughing gas), write the whole purchase
off in one year.

"There is no reason for a dental office to own a truck. It'd be a hard sell
to the IRS should you be audited."--Dr. NOYB's accountant in 2003.

Ergo, I don't claim my vehicle (which *would* qualify) as a deduction.

Some dentists that I know who own two offices, can claim the mileage driving
between the offices as a deduction. There's a grey area for those folks
when buying an SUV. The Section 179 expense limit was raised to $100,000
and should stay there...but the SUV deduction loophole portion of it should
(and has been) cut.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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Do I understand this statement correctly ... that there is a tax
incentive to purchase a Hummer?

There is, or very recently was, a tax write off for vehicles above a
certain
GVW purchased by businesses. I think it was 7000 pounds. The auto industry
says
that the most significant impact of the law was a huge increase in the
number
of people buying the largest SUV's for use as executive vehicles.

An owner of an S-Corp who bought a $100,000 Hummer in 2003 and 2004 could
deduct every penny of it...effectively saving himself in the neighborhood of
$30,000 in taxes. He/she could essentially buy a large SUV for 70 cents on
the dollar.

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:10:56 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Do I understand this statement correctly ... that there is a tax incentive
to purchase a Hummer?

Last time I looked the opposite was true. There is a "Gas Guzzler" tax
paid on all new vehicles that do not meet certain fuel mileage
guidelines.

Besides the tax deduction for businesses, it's my understanding that
Hummers are exempt from cafe standards.

http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/0428-03.htm

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...hummer17.shtml

Weren't you the person who proposed Bush must be on drugs for him to have a
poor showing on the first debate, and then have a respectable showing in the
2nd debate?

Please substantiate that bit of bull****.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

Not so fast, NOYB.

Your side of the fence lobbed a claim that
"Kerry wants to increase gas taxes by 50 cents right away, and then
another 50
cents later on."

Substantiate that, or admit it's bull****, and then the discussion can
move
forward.

"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:g6Aad.226519$D%.78729@attbi_s51...
Weren't you the person who proposed Bush must be on drugs for him to have
a
poor showing on the first debate, and then have a respectable showing in
the
2nd debate?

Please substantiate that bit of bull****.

Remember....if a liebral makes a statement, it must be accepted as
fact....no questions asked..........



"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

Not so fast, NOYB.

Your side of the fence lobbed a claim that
"Kerry wants to increase gas taxes by 50 cents right away, and then
another 50
cents later on."

Substantiate that, or admit it's bull****, and then the discussion can
move
forward.