Oil 53.55 this morning...
 

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:05:21 GMT, "tony thomas"
wrote:

And Kerry said he is going to raise the Gas tax by 50 cents a gallon
immendiately and another 50 cents a gallon in 6 months. That will really
help gas prices and the economy.

Let's play the link or liar contest. Link please.

bb

And Kerry said he is going to raise the Gas tax by 50 cents a gallon
immendiately and another 50 cents a gallon in 6 months. That will really
help gas prices and the economy.

Unless you can substantiate that with something stronger than "Sean Hannity
says........", I call bull****


http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/r...2004_0525.html



Remember the gas tax promises of 2000?
Bush was going to roll back the gas tax to provide some relief for middle class
tax payers. Gas tax hasn't dropped a penny in
four years, and Bush never proposed reducing it in any budget ever submitted to
congress.

Bush's version of middle class tax relief turned out to be eliminating capital
gains taxes on the sale of stock held by corporations- and exempting most
dividend income from taxation. I guess when you're as rich as the Bush family,
folks who earn a living by clipping dividend coupons and trading in corporate
owned stock are somewhere down around "middle class".

http://blog.johnkerry.com/rapidrespo...es/001470.html

What's the *real* price of oil these days?

When you consider the military costs involved to try and secure a few countries
in the middle east that we can ultimately compell to sell us as much oil as we
want/need? Gotta be north of $100 a bbl.

Cost of oil?
$100. An arm and a leg. Your first born.

John Kerry has proposed a $4000 tax credit for people who will buy hybrid or
alternative fuel cars. That seems to me to be a bit more repsonsible than
making a list of oil-rich countries where we can claim terrorists may be
hiding.

If everybody drove a hybrid car, we'd have all the more fuel left for my boat.
:-)

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
And Kerry said he is going to raise the Gas tax by 50 cents a gallon
immendiately and another 50 cents a gallon in 6 months. That will really
help gas prices and the economy.

Unless you can substantiate that with something stronger than "Sean
Hannity
says........", I call bull****


http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/r...2004_0525.html

WOW! How ground-breaking!

"As part of his plan to do this, Kerry said he will invest in new
technologies and alternative fuels, and establish a realistic fuel economy
standard coupled with tax incentives for consumers to buy and manufacturers
to build the efficient vehicles of the future. Specifically, Kerry said he
will offer $10 billion in new incentives for the American automobile
industry to lead the world in building Advanced Technology Vehicles and
offer consumers a $4,000 tax credit to help them afford the vehicles.

Kerry also said he will help families by managing the strategic petroleum
reserve to protect our security without driving up prices and engaging in
diplomacy to ensure US consumers are not held hostage to instability in the
Middle East. "

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So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

Not so fast, NOYB.

Your side of the fence lobbed a claim that
"Kerry wants to increase gas taxes by 50 cents right away, and then another 50
cents later on."

Substantiate that, or admit it's bull****, and then the discussion can move
forward.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
And Kerry said he is going to raise the Gas tax by 50 cents a gallon
immendiately and another 50 cents a gallon in 6 months. That will really
help gas prices and the economy.

Unless you can substantiate that with something stronger than "Sean
Hannity
says........", I call bull****

Kerry supported Carter's plan to add $0.50/gallon back in 1979.

1994: Kerry Supported Half-Dollar Increase In Gas Tax. (Jill Zuckman,
"Deficit-Watch Group Gives High Marks To 7 N.E. Lawmakers," The Boston
Globe, 3/1/94)

"[Carter] Administration Officials Briefly Floated The Idea Of A
50-Cent-A-Gallon Gasoline Tax ..." (David Espo, "Kennedy Attacks Carter
On OPEC Price Hikes," The Associated Press, 12/20/79)

Sen. Edward Kennedy Said Plan Would Increase Inflation, Hurt Poor. Sen.
Edward Kennedy (D-MA) said the Carter "proposal to slap a
50-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline ... would cost the average family $200
a year in 1981. 'The American public is already numb from the soaring
cost of energy,' Kennedy said ... 'Yet the Carter administration is on
the verge of proposing a 50-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline.' ... Kennedy
said such a tax would add 2 percent to 4 percent to inflation, impose an
unfair burden on the poor, discriminate against areas with poor mass
transit systems and fail to achieve a significant savings in gasoline
consumption. ... 'I oppose any plan to impose a 50-cent-a-gallon gas
tax,' Kennedy said in the statement." (David Espo, The Associated Press,
12/8/79)
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So you're right, Chuck...it is bull****. In *today's* dollars, it would be
more like $1.50/gallon.

"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
And Kerry said he is going to raise the Gas tax by 50 cents a gallon
immendiately and another 50 cents a gallon in 6 months. That will
really
help gas prices and the economy.

Unless you can substantiate that with something stronger than "Sean
Hannity
says........", I call bull****


http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/r...2004_0525.html

WOW! How ground-breaking!

"As part of his plan to do this, Kerry said he will invest in new
technologies and alternative fuels, and establish a realistic fuel economy
standard coupled with tax incentives for consumers to buy and
manufacturers
to build the efficient vehicles of the future. Specifically, Kerry said
he
will offer $10 billion in new incentives for the American automobile
industry to lead the world in building Advanced Technology Vehicles and
offer consumers a $4,000 tax credit to help them afford the vehicles.

Kerry also said he will help families by managing the strategic petroleum
reserve to protect our security without driving up prices and engaging in
diplomacy to ensure US consumers are not held hostage to instability in
the
Middle East. "

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So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?



Consider the opposite: We now have a tax incentive available which included
Hummers. I have no idea when it was enacted, but at the very least, Bush
could interrupt his 18,000th game of Grand Theft Auto and spend a week
eliminating a law which is an embarrassment, considering the current
environment.

Do YOU have any bright ideas for getting lazy thinkers to reconsider the
types of cars they buy, or how they use those cars? Or, is everything just
fine the way it is?

Doug Kanter wrote:



Consider the opposite: We now have a tax incentive available which included
Hummers. I have no idea when it was enacted, but at the very least, Bush
could interrupt his 18,000th game of Grand Theft Auto and spend a week
eliminating a law which is an embarrassment, considering the current
environment.



Do I understand this statement correctly ... that there is a tax
incentive to purchase a Hummer?

Last time I looked the opposite was true. There is a "Gas Guzzler" tax
paid on all new vehicles that do not meet certain fuel mileage guidelines.

Eisboch

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

Not so fast, NOYB.

Your side of the fence lobbed a claim that
"Kerry wants to increase gas taxes by 50 cents right away, and then
another 50
cents later on."

Substantiate that, or admit it's bull****, and then the discussion can
move
forward.

Kerry supported Carter's plan to add $0.50/gallon back in 1979.

1994: Kerry Supported Half-Dollar Increase In Gas Tax. (Jill Zuckman,
"Deficit-Watch Group Gives High Marks To 7 N.E. Lawmakers," The Boston
Globe, 3/1/94)

"[Carter] Administration Officials Briefly Floated The Idea Of A
50-Cent-A-Gallon Gasoline Tax ..." (David Espo, "Kennedy Attacks Carter
On OPEC Price Hikes," The Associated Press, 12/20/79)

Sen. Edward Kennedy Said Plan Would Increase Inflation, Hurt Poor. Sen.
Edward Kennedy (D-MA) said the Carter "proposal to slap a
50-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline ... would cost the average family $200
a year in 1981. 'The American public is already numb from the soaring
cost of energy,' Kennedy said ... 'Yet the Carter administration is on
the verge of proposing a 50-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline.' ... Kennedy
said such a tax would add 2 percent to 4 percent to inflation, impose an
unfair burden on the poor, discriminate against areas with poor mass
transit systems and fail to achieve a significant savings in gasoline
consumption. ... 'I oppose any plan to impose a 50-cent-a-gallon gas
tax,' Kennedy said in the statement." (David Espo, The Associated Press,
12/8/79)
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So back to my questions:
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?