On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:05:21 GMT, "tony thomas"
wrote:

And Kerry said he is going to raise the Gas tax by 50 cents a gallon
immendiately and another 50 cents a gallon in 6 months. That will really
help gas prices and the economy.

Let's play the link or liar contest. Link please.

bb

And Kerry said he is going to raise the Gas tax by 50 cents a gallon
immendiately and another 50 cents a gallon in 6 months. That will really
help gas prices and the economy.

Unless you can substantiate that with something stronger than "Sean Hannity
says........", I call bull****


http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/r...2004_0525.html



Remember the gas tax promises of 2000?
Bush was going to roll back the gas tax to provide some relief for middle class
tax payers. Gas tax hasn't dropped a penny in
four years, and Bush never proposed reducing it in any budget ever submitted to
congress.

Bush's version of middle class tax relief turned out to be eliminating capital
gains taxes on the sale of stock held by corporations- and exempting most
dividend income from taxation. I guess when you're as rich as the Bush family,
folks who earn a living by clipping dividend coupons and trading in corporate
owned stock are somewhere down around "middle class".

http://blog.johnkerry.com/rapidrespo...es/001470.html

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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And Kerry said he is going to raise the Gas tax by 50 cents a gallon
immendiately and another 50 cents a gallon in 6 months. That will really
help gas prices and the economy.

Unless you can substantiate that with something stronger than "Sean
Hannity
says........", I call bull****


http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/r...2004_0525.html

WOW! How ground-breaking!

"As part of his plan to do this, Kerry said he will invest in new
technologies and alternative fuels, and establish a realistic fuel economy
standard coupled with tax incentives for consumers to buy and manufacturers
to build the efficient vehicles of the future. Specifically, Kerry said he
will offer $10 billion in new incentives for the American automobile
industry to lead the world in building Advanced Technology Vehicles and
offer consumers a $4,000 tax credit to help them afford the vehicles.

Kerry also said he will help families by managing the strategic petroleum
reserve to protect our security without driving up prices and engaging in
diplomacy to ensure US consumers are not held hostage to instability in the
Middle East. "

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So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

Not so fast, NOYB.

Your side of the fence lobbed a claim that
"Kerry wants to increase gas taxes by 50 cents right away, and then another 50
cents later on."

Substantiate that, or admit it's bull****, and then the discussion can move
forward.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

Not so fast, NOYB.

Your side of the fence lobbed a claim that
"Kerry wants to increase gas taxes by 50 cents right away, and then
another 50
cents later on."

Substantiate that, or admit it's bull****, and then the discussion can
move
forward.

Kerry supported Carter's plan to add $0.50/gallon back in 1979.

1994: Kerry Supported Half-Dollar Increase In Gas Tax. (Jill Zuckman,
"Deficit-Watch Group Gives High Marks To 7 N.E. Lawmakers," The Boston
Globe, 3/1/94)

"[Carter] Administration Officials Briefly Floated The Idea Of A
50-Cent-A-Gallon Gasoline Tax ..." (David Espo, "Kennedy Attacks Carter
On OPEC Price Hikes," The Associated Press, 12/20/79)

Sen. Edward Kennedy Said Plan Would Increase Inflation, Hurt Poor. Sen.
Edward Kennedy (D-MA) said the Carter "proposal to slap a
50-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline ... would cost the average family $200
a year in 1981. 'The American public is already numb from the soaring
cost of energy,' Kennedy said ... 'Yet the Carter administration is on
the verge of proposing a 50-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline.' ... Kennedy
said such a tax would add 2 percent to 4 percent to inflation, impose an
unfair burden on the poor, discriminate against areas with poor mass
transit systems and fail to achieve a significant savings in gasoline
consumption. ... 'I oppose any plan to impose a 50-cent-a-gallon gas
tax,' Kennedy said in the statement." (David Espo, The Associated Press,
12/8/79)
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So back to my questions:
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

So back to my questions:
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

I don't think it's realistic to expect either president to dramatically lower
the price of gas in the immediate future. We need long term policies so that we
aren't held hostage by every little feifdom on the planet with an oil well.

As far as "how does the plan differ from Bush"........

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/compare.html

Weren't you the person who proposed Bush must be on drugs for him to have a
poor showing on the first debate, and then have a respectable showing in the
2nd debate?

Please substantiate that bit of bull****.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

Not so fast, NOYB.

Your side of the fence lobbed a claim that
"Kerry wants to increase gas taxes by 50 cents right away, and then
another 50
cents later on."

Substantiate that, or admit it's bull****, and then the discussion can
move
forward.

"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:g6Aad.226519$D%.78729@attbi_s51...
Weren't you the person who proposed Bush must be on drugs for him to have
a
poor showing on the first debate, and then have a respectable showing in
the
2nd debate?

Please substantiate that bit of bull****.

Remember....if a liebral makes a statement, it must be accepted as
fact....no questions asked..........



"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

Not so fast, NOYB.

Your side of the fence lobbed a claim that
"Kerry wants to increase gas taxes by 50 cents right away, and then
another 50
cents later on."

Substantiate that, or admit it's bull****, and then the discussion can
move
forward.

"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:g6Aad.226519$D%.78729@attbi_s51...
Weren't you the person who proposed Bush must be on drugs for him to have
a
poor showing on the first debate, and then have a respectable showing in
the
2nd debate?

Please substantiate that bit of bull****.

That may be bull****, but surely, SOMETHING is going on with your president.
Watch this and tell me differently:

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/sovereignty.mov

Weren't you the person who proposed Bush must be on drugs for him to have a
poor showing on the first debate, and then have a respectable showing in the
2nd debate?

Please substantiate that bit of bull****.

Nice Dodge. Your wife drive a Chrysler?

I expressed an opinion, wondering why Bush was so different in the second
debate.

Some right wing reactionary stated as a fact, not an opinion "John Kerry will
put in a 50 cent a gallon gas tax right away and another later on." Should be
easily substantiated by quoting some bit of Kerry's energy proposal. So far,
dead silence from the right and shameful attempts to switch the subject.

If it is your opinion that there was no difference in GWB's performance between
debate 1 and debate 2, fine. You're entitled.