On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:45:13 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


~~ snippage ``

You want to help? Show me a published, peer-reviewed journal article on
Medline about how "diet" will help ADHD.

I don't believe there is a formal study, but there is some anecdotal
evidence that it could be a major part of a multi-discipline approach.

The real key is behavior modification. We have some friends who
adopted a ADHD child and through careful application of appropriate
discipline, monitoring and strictly controlling a diet (akin to the
Atkins diet in fact) and a lot of face time with parents in a teaching
role, you meet this kid and never know it unless you knew it. :)

There are quite a few support groups out there who favor this approach
rather than drugs and it seems to be working.

However, as to a formal study, I don't believe one exists yet.

On a personal note, speaking for myself, a modification of my diet can
produce some rather strange and interesting results. I can go from
being a cripple to being able to walk the next day just by changing
what I eat. Curiously enough, it happens a lot with processed foods
and I try to stay away from those as much as possible eating fresh or
as nearly fresh as possible.

There is a lot to this food therapy aspect of medicine.

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:45:13 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


~~ snippage ``

You want to help? Show me a published, peer-reviewed journal article on
Medline about how "diet" will help ADHD.

I don't believe there is a formal study, but there is some anecdotal
evidence that it could be a major part of a multi-discipline approach.

The real key is behavior modification. We have some friends who
adopted a ADHD child and through careful application of appropriate
discipline, monitoring and strictly controlling a diet (akin to the
Atkins diet in fact) and a lot of face time with parents in a teaching
role, you meet this kid and never know it unless you knew it. :)

There are quite a few support groups out there who favor this approach
rather than drugs and it seems to be working.

However, as to a formal study, I don't believe one exists yet.

On a personal note, speaking for myself, a modification of my diet can
produce some rather strange and interesting results. I can go from
being a cripple to being able to walk the next day just by changing
what I eat. Curiously enough, it happens a lot with processed foods
and I try to stay away from those as much as possible eating fresh or
as nearly fresh as possible.

There is a lot to this food therapy aspect of medicine.

I'm a huge believer in the psychosomatic affect (aka--"placebo effect"). If
you and basskisser *believe* that food therapy is helping you, then it's
helping you.

NOYB,
All we need to do is treat the cause and not the symptoms. ; )


"NOYB" wrote in message
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I've tried steering him to Medline. Let's see what non-pharmacological
treatment modalities he comes up with.


"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
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NYOB,

If you look at his links, it includes someone posts in a NG forum (and we
know they are always accurate bg ) another one states : : "I am not
trained in medicine, pharmacy, or nutrition, hence I am not qualified to
give advice in any of these areas. What follows is merely a personal
account of my son's condition and the methods we employ to treat it.
These methods are not generally applicable, and may not be appropriate
for you or your child. "

The other ones all seem to be selling books or nutritional supplements.

I do believe some children with mild ADD can be treated without
medications, and some are misdiagnosed, but as usual Bass provides links
that are useless in proving his point.


"basskisser" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
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OK, how do you treat either the symptoms or the cause without the use
of
psychotropic drugs?

PS - The cause of these illnesses is a chemical imbalance in the
brain and
the symptoms of the chemical illness is the result of this chemical
imbalance.

I'd lik to hear basskisser's response as to what causes the chemical
imbalance...and how he believes it can be treated without medications.

Many, many tests have shown, without a doubt, that the symptoms of
ADHD can be lessened, or stopped altogether with diet, and behavior
modification. I'd suggest a simple google search. I found a few
thousand websites related to this subject. Here are a few.
http://www.feingold.org/home.html
http://www.newideas.net/adddiet.htm
http://www.adhdhelp.org/diet-adhd.htm
http://www.eklhad.net/adhd.html

As I've stated, there are a few thousand more sites that deal with
ADHD and diet. Now for Tourette's:
http://www.nutritioninstitute.com/To..._Syndrome.html
http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm
http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/for...genicdiet.html

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:33:39 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:45:13 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


~~ snippage ``

You want to help? Show me a published, peer-reviewed journal article on
Medline about how "diet" will help ADHD.

I don't believe there is a formal study, but there is some anecdotal
evidence that it could be a major part of a multi-discipline approach.

The real key is behavior modification. We have some friends who
adopted a ADHD child and through careful application of appropriate
discipline, monitoring and strictly controlling a diet (akin to the
Atkins diet in fact) and a lot of face time with parents in a teaching
role, you meet this kid and never know it unless you knew it. :)

There are quite a few support groups out there who favor this approach
rather than drugs and it seems to be working.

However, as to a formal study, I don't believe one exists yet.

On a personal note, speaking for myself, a modification of my diet can
produce some rather strange and interesting results. I can go from
being a cripple to being able to walk the next day just by changing
what I eat. Curiously enough, it happens a lot with processed foods
and I try to stay away from those as much as possible eating fresh or
as nearly fresh as possible.

There is a lot to this food therapy aspect of medicine.

I'm a huge believer in the psychosomatic affect (aka--"placebo effect"). If
you and basskisser *believe* that food therapy is helping you, then it's
helping you.

How about diabetes - is that psychosomatic? Food allergies are simply
mental problems? Exercise induced food allergies aka peanut allergy?
Reactions to red dye #2 because you take Niaspan are just psychomatic?

Wow - I never knew.

Later,

Tom

"Beware the one legged man in a butt
kicking contest - he is there for a
reason."

Wun Hung Lo - date unknown

The placebo effect can make a difference, but different foods can have an
impact on how people feel. Many people have a negative reaction to MSG.
Wheat can cause a flare up of arthritis. I am sure there are some people
who diet can have a positive effect on how they feel.

But to think diet can be the cure for the majority of people with mental
illness is not realistic. If this was so, the NIMH would be encouraging
this as a form of treatment for all mental illness. Most doctors recommend
diet, exercise, meditation along with meds to improve those with mental
illness. With a balanced life, one can reduce the amount of meds needed,
just as a diabetic who does follows a recommended diet, exercise and reduces
stress can use less medication and control his blood sugar better.

Next thing Bass will be suggesting is those with type 1 diabetes can cure
their illness with diet.




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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:45:13 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


~~ snippage ``

You want to help? Show me a published, peer-reviewed journal article on
Medline about how "diet" will help ADHD.

I don't believe there is a formal study, but there is some anecdotal
evidence that it could be a major part of a multi-discipline approach.

The real key is behavior modification. We have some friends who
adopted a ADHD child and through careful application of appropriate
discipline, monitoring and strictly controlling a diet (akin to the
Atkins diet in fact) and a lot of face time with parents in a teaching
role, you meet this kid and never know it unless you knew it. :)

There are quite a few support groups out there who favor this approach
rather than drugs and it seems to be working.

However, as to a formal study, I don't believe one exists yet.

On a personal note, speaking for myself, a modification of my diet can
produce some rather strange and interesting results. I can go from
being a cripple to being able to walk the next day just by changing
what I eat. Curiously enough, it happens a lot with processed foods
and I try to stay away from those as much as possible eating fresh or
as nearly fresh as possible.

There is a lot to this food therapy aspect of medicine.

I'm a huge believer in the psychosomatic affect (aka--"placebo effect").
If you and basskisser *believe* that food therapy is helping you, then
it's helping you.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:51:22 +0000, NOYB wrote:

I've tried steering him to Medline. Let's see what non-pharmacological
treatment modalities he comes up with.

I wouldn't argue with a Doctor from my limited knowledge base, but would
make the comment that many Doctors do over-medicate, when more
conservative methods such as diet, exercise, etc. are more prudent. I'm
not talking about ADHD, just general medical behavior.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:33:39 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:45:13 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


~~ snippage ``

You want to help? Show me a published, peer-reviewed journal article on
Medline about how "diet" will help ADHD.

I don't believe there is a formal study, but there is some anecdotal
evidence that it could be a major part of a multi-discipline approach.

The real key is behavior modification. We have some friends who
adopted a ADHD child and through careful application of appropriate
discipline, monitoring and strictly controlling a diet (akin to the
Atkins diet in fact) and a lot of face time with parents in a teaching
role, you meet this kid and never know it unless you knew it. :)

There are quite a few support groups out there who favor this approach
rather than drugs and it seems to be working.

However, as to a formal study, I don't believe one exists yet.

On a personal note, speaking for myself, a modification of my diet can
produce some rather strange and interesting results. I can go from
being a cripple to being able to walk the next day just by changing
what I eat. Curiously enough, it happens a lot with processed foods
and I try to stay away from those as much as possible eating fresh or
as nearly fresh as possible.

There is a lot to this food therapy aspect of medicine.

I'm a huge believer in the psychosomatic affect (aka--"placebo effect").
If
you and basskisser *believe* that food therapy is helping you, then it's
helping you.

How about diabetes - is that psychosomatic?

Diabetes is one ailment where diet plays a very large role. However, there
*are* correlations between diabetes and a person's psychologic stress
(ie--there's some evidence that they're psychosomatically controlled).

Do a search on Medline. You'll be amazed. Type in "psychosomatic" and
"diabetes".

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...arch&DB=pubmed




Food allergies are simply
mental problems? Exercise induced food allergies aka peanut allergy?
Reactions to red dye #2 because you take Niaspan are just psychomatic?

Allergies are a lot different from saying that you "can go from being a
cripple to being able to walk the next day just from the foods you eat".

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:51:22 +0000, NOYB wrote:

I've tried steering him to Medline. Let's see what non-pharmacological
treatment modalities he comes up with.

I wouldn't argue with a Doctor from my limited knowledge base, but would
make the comment that many Doctors do over-medicate, when more
conservative methods such as diet, exercise, etc. are more prudent. I'm
not talking about ADHD, just general medical behavior.

I agree. From my experience, however, patients are as much to blame. They
can get very demanding, and the over-worked doctor just relents rather than
sit down and explain that an antibiotic won't do a damn thing for a virus.
In the case of ADHD, I wonder how many times parents influence the diagnosis
rather than taking responsibility for the lack of discipline in their
household.

"Jon Smithe" wrote in message news:g3ddd.286000$3l3.257087@attbi_s03...
NOYB,
All we need to do is treat the cause and not the symptoms. ; )

"We"? What medical field are you in, Jon Smithe? Who wouldn't agree
that it would be better to treat the cause, than treat the symptoms?
If NOYB is, indeed a dentist, then he does this all the time. Fixing a
tooth so that it doesn't cause pain, is a great example. Treat the
cause (the tooth), or treat the symptom (the pain).

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"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
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OK, how do you treat either the symptoms or the cause without the use of
psychotropic drugs?

PS - The cause of these illnesses is a chemical imbalance in the brain
and
the symptoms of the chemical illness is the result of this chemical
imbalance.

Many, many tests have shown, without a doubt, that the symptoms of
ADHD can be lessened, or stopped altogether with diet, and behavior
modification. I'd suggest a simple google search. I found a few
thousand websites related to this subject. Here are a few.
http://www.feingold.org/home.html
http://www.newideas.net/adddiet.htm
http://www.adhdhelp.org/diet-adhd.htm
http://www.eklhad.net/adhd.html

As I've stated, there are a few thousand more sites that deal with
ADHD and diet. Now for Tourette's:
http://www.nutritioninstitute.com/To..._Syndrome.html
http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm
http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/for...genicdiet.html

So, as you see, both respond quite well to dietary changes. You really
should learn to use Google, it's a great research tool. Glad I could
help.

You want to help? Show me a published, peer-reviewed journal article on
Medline about how "diet" will help ADHD.

Why would it have to be Medline? Is that the only place that you gain
trusted medical knowledge from? If so, you are pretty narrow minded.