On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:08:01 -0400, DSK wrote:

..... there is a lot of evidence that indicates the
climate is changing, and that the warming that is taking place is having
deleterious effects now and in the future, and that we are having some
impact on the "environmental factors."


Yep, "a lot of evidence." In fact, there is a heck of a lot of evidence
that the climate is warming, and little or no evidence at all that it's
not. Hmm... what a puzzler...

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
The problem is just like which side of the aisle you sit in church -
the good side or the other good side.

Global warming science is shaky at best. Recent studies in Antartica
indicate that the ozone hole that everybody was shaky about ten or so
years ago may also have a natural cycle. We just haven't been here
long enough, not is there enough human historical data, to make that
kind of decision.

So, let's go ahead and keep messing up the planet full speed, is that
your answer?


It does not mean that some sort of pollution isn't happening - it is
happening. But that's different than Global Warming.

The whole Global Warming thing is somebodies pet theory and that's
about it.

Actually, it's a LOT of people's "pet theory." No certain explanation
yet, but... Do you have kids?

Yes I do - and one of them is an actual, honest-to-god geo-physical
scientist - not some hammer head dweeb who can't read and just wants
to tickle his twinkie by picking fights over who's got the biggest
bleeding heart.

I'm on your side jackass - if you can't parse that, then go bother
somebody else.

I'm not interested in your "opinion" - I'm interested in the facts and
the facts are this:

Global warming is not proven. Pollution can have more devastating
effects on civilization than something that nobody knows how to even
describe, never mind deal with.

That facts are that over the period of observations going back at
least 600 years to the 15th century, sunspots and the solar cycle have
been observed to directly affect climate. Recently, in the last 300
or so years, observers of a scientific bent also observed things like
Gulf Stream movement, the mid-latitude currents like El

Do yourself a favour and actually read a scientific treatise on the
subject rather than some jerk off tabloid written by a bearded
nutcase.


All the best,

Tom
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