On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:40:47 +0000, Butch Davis wrote:

OMG!!! Another dirty rotten Republican trick!!! You think the Commanding
General is trying to hide the truth from the troops so they'll all vote
Republican by absentee ballot? That's gotta be it..... what else could
explain such a rotton dirty loss of prime time entertainment for our good
soldiers.

I was thinking stupidity, not conspiracy, when I read the following, but
who knows. One would think (and hope) the Pentagon would be able to run a
secure website.

http://www.iht.com/articles/539597.html

thunder wrote:
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:40:47 +0000, Butch Davis wrote:

OMG!!! Another dirty rotten Republican trick!!! You think the Commanding
General is trying to hide the truth from the troops so they'll all vote
Republican by absentee ballot? That's gotta be it..... what else could
explain such a rotton dirty loss of prime time entertainment for our good
soldiers.

I was thinking stupidity, not conspiracy, when I read the following, but
who knows. One would think (and hope) the Pentagon would be able to run a
secure website.

http://www.iht.com/articles/539597.html

Why would you think that?



--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:29:44 GMT, "Taco Heaven"
wrote:

Doug,
I do not disagree with anything you have said in this posts.

Now is it possible that someone who makes up titles that don't exist "Most
decorated soldier in the army's history" be interested in using his web page
as a means of selling books? Is it possible that someone who would lie
about two awards that he said he had received, be more interested in self
promotion than in reporting the truth?

In Hack's defense, time has passed him by. He wants to relive the
time when important people listened to him and asked for his opinions.

Somebody needs to tell him to sit back, light up a cigar and live the
rest of what's left.

Later,

Tom

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:19:52 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:

Yes. Apparently, he wants to make a living. Meanwhile, how about tearing
apart the web site's content and telling us what you feel is incorrect,
other than his awards, with which I'm not familiar and not interested.

Perhaps you should be. They are impressive.

Individual Decorations & Service Medals:

* Distinguished Service Cross (with one Oak Leaf Cluster)
* Silver Star (with nine Oak Leaf Clusters)
* Legion of Merit (with three Oak Leaf Clusters)
* Distinguished Flying Cross
* Bronze Star Medal (with "V" Device & seven Oak Leaf Clusters)(Seven of the awards for heroism)
* Purple Heart (with seven Oak Leaf Clusters)
* Air Medal (with "V" Device & Numeral 34)(One for heroism and 33 for aerial achievement)
* Army Commendation Medal (w/ "V" Device & 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)
* Good Conduct Medal
* World War II Victory Medal
* Army of Occupation Medal (with Germany and Japan Clasps)
* National Defense Service Medal (with one Bronze Service Star)
* Korean Service Medal (with Service Stars for eight campaigns)
* Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal
* Vietnam Service Medal (2 Silver Service Stars = 10 campaigns)
* Armed Forces Reserve Medal

Unit Awards:

* Presidential Unit Citation
* Valorous Unit Award (with one Oak Leaf Cluster)
* Meritorious Unit Commendation

Badges & Tabs:

* Combat Infantryman Badge (w/ one Star; representing 2 awards)
* Master Parachutist Badge
* Army General Staff Identification Badge

Foreign Awards:

* United Nations Service Medal (Korea)
* Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal with Device (1960)
* Vietnam Cross of Gallantry (with two Gold Stars)
* Vietnam Cross of Gallantry (with two Silver Stars)
* Vietnam Armed Forces Honor Medal (1st Class)
* Vietnam Staff Service Medal (1st Class)
* Vietnam Army Distinguished Service Order, 2d Class
* Vietnam Parachutist Badge (Master Level)
* Republic of Korea Presidential Unit Citation
* Republic of Vietnam Presidential Unit Citation
* Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation (with three Palm oak leaf clusters)
* Republic of Vietnam Civil Actions Honor Medal, First Class Unit Citation (with one Palm oak leaf cluster)

World War II Merchant Marine Awards:

* Pacific War Zone Bar
* Victory Medal

Doug Kanter wrote:
Yes. Apparently, he wants to make a living. Meanwhile, how about tearing
apart the web site's content and telling us what you feel is incorrect,
other than his awards, with which I'm not familiar and not interested.


Well, if Hackworth's "most decorated soldier" title is given to show his
expertise on national defense and/or military matters, then it's
relevant. However, Taco Heaver's sneering that "there ain't no such
title" proves even less that Hackworth's list of medals.


thunder wrote:
Perhaps you should be. They are impressive.

Yes they are. Anybody interested in the Army, in the Viet Nam war, or in
national defense generally, could do a lot worse than read his book
"About Face" which covers much of his tremendous Army career. It's very
interesting, a wealth of detail, he supports his unorthodox opinions
very well.

OTOH, how many of the resident fascists whackos would bother to actually
read a book?

DSK


Individual Decorations & Service Medals:

* Distinguished Service Cross (with one Oak Leaf Cluster)
* Silver Star (with nine Oak Leaf Clusters)
* Legion of Merit (with three Oak Leaf Clusters)
* Distinguished Flying Cross
* Bronze Star Medal (with "V" Device & seven Oak Leaf Clusters)(Seven of the awards for heroism)
* Purple Heart (with seven Oak Leaf Clusters)
* Air Medal (with "V" Device & Numeral 34)(One for heroism and 33 for aerial achievement)
* Army Commendation Medal (w/ "V" Device & 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)
* Good Conduct Medal
* World War II Victory Medal
* Army of Occupation Medal (with Germany and Japan Clasps)
* National Defense Service Medal (with one Bronze Service Star)
* Korean Service Medal (with Service Stars for eight campaigns)
* Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal
* Vietnam Service Medal (2 Silver Service Stars = 10 campaigns)
* Armed Forces Reserve Medal

Unit Awards:

* Presidential Unit Citation
* Valorous Unit Award (with one Oak Leaf Cluster)
* Meritorious Unit Commendation

Badges & Tabs:

* Combat Infantryman Badge (w/ one Star; representing 2 awards)
* Master Parachutist Badge
* Army General Staff Identification Badge

Foreign Awards:

* United Nations Service Medal (Korea)
* Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal with Device (1960)
* Vietnam Cross of Gallantry (with two Gold Stars)
* Vietnam Cross of Gallantry (with two Silver Stars)
* Vietnam Armed Forces Honor Medal (1st Class)
* Vietnam Staff Service Medal (1st Class)
* Vietnam Army Distinguished Service Order, 2d Class
* Vietnam Parachutist Badge (Master Level)
* Republic of Korea Presidential Unit Citation
* Republic of Vietnam Presidential Unit Citation
* Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation (with three Palm oak leaf clusters)
* Republic of Vietnam Civil Actions Honor Medal, First Class Unit Citation (with one Palm oak leaf cluster)

World War II Merchant Marine Awards:

* Pacific War Zone Bar
* Victory Medal

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:19:52 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:

Yes. Apparently, he wants to make a living. Meanwhile, how about tearing
apart the web site's content and telling us what you feel is incorrect,
other than his awards, with which I'm not familiar and not interested.

Perhaps you should be. They are impressive.

I'm not saying they're not impressive - they certainly are. But, it's
obvious that this discussion is about to become a ****ing contest about the
DETAILS of his awards, rather than the goals and content of his site.

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:30:58 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:19:52 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:

Yes. Apparently, he wants to make a living. Meanwhile, how about tearing
apart the web site's content and telling us what you feel is incorrect,
other than his awards, with which I'm not familiar and not interested.

Perhaps you should be. They are impressive.

I'm not saying they're not impressive - they certainly are. But, it's
obvious that this discussion is about to become a ****ing contest about the
DETAILS of his awards, rather than the goals and content of his site.

~~ snicker ~~

Doug said ****ing contest...

~~ snicker ~~

Later,

Tom

"DSK" wrote in message
news
Doug Kanter wrote:
Yes. Apparently, he wants to make a living. Meanwhile, how about tearing
apart the web site's content and telling us what you feel is incorrect,
other than his awards, with which I'm not familiar and not interested.


Well, if Hackworth's "most decorated soldier" title is given to show his
expertise on national defense and/or military matters, then it's relevant.
However, Taco Heaver's sneering that "there ain't no such title" proves
even less that Hackworth's list of medals.

That is not my comment, it is the comment of the US Army and the DOD.

But, it's
obvious that this discussion is about to become a ****ing contest about the
DETAILS of his awards, rather than the goals and content of his site.

But of course. He dares to criticize the AWOL prez, so discussion must now turn
to whether Hack was "wounded badly enough" to qualify for this purple heart or
that, "heroic enough" to deserve this citation or that............yawn. Same
old crap from the same old side......

Gould,

No it is not a matter if he qualified for a purple heart or any other
citation. He claimed he had received two citations that he did not receive,
when question by CNN and Dan Rather (by no means are they right wing news
organization) he admitted that he never completed Ranger training and should
not include that on his resume. He also told CNN he found that the Army had
given him two Distinguished Flying Cross medals, when he had only earned
one.

CNN asked him these question because in a column written shortly after the
Admirals Boorda's death
Hackworth said: "It is simply unthinkable an experienced officer would wear
decorations he is not entitled to, awards that others bled for. There is no
greater disgrace," he wrote. Adm. Boorda committed suicide for wearing 2
valor awards (2 small bronze V's) he had not earned.

Using Hackworth's own criteria "there is no greater disgrace".

So if you have a problem with this, you need to bring it up with Hackworth.

Just because Hackworth is a very well decorated retired military man, does
not make immune from those who think he is extremely biased in his
reporting. When I read his web site, it was full of unsubatiated rumors and
accusations. After you challenged my statement, it appears that this is
opinion of many others highly decorated military men. The man has made a
very successful career writing books, columns and lecture tours highlighting
his success military career (which is undisputed) and finding fault with
everything the military has done since he retired. His web site is one of
his venues for selling those books and lecture circuit.





"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
But, it's
obvious that this discussion is about to become a ****ing contest about
the
DETAILS of his awards, rather than the goals and content of his site.

But of course. He dares to criticize the AWOL prez, so discussion must now
turn
to whether Hack was "wounded badly enough" to qualify for this purple
heart or
that, "heroic enough" to deserve this citation or that............yawn.
Same
old crap from the same old side......