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JAXAshby wrote:


garth, a blow is 20 knots with waves. Under those conditions, an all-chain
rode will jerk the anchor from the bottom unless the boat owner put out a LOT
of scope (more than a proper rode of some chain and a lot of nylon) and/or hung
50 or 100 pounds of dead weight in the middle of the rode.

chain don't stretch, and when the winds pull the chain more or less tight, wind
gusts can and do put HUGE loads on the anchor system, and jerking from wave
actions as put orders of magnitude more load on the system.

Like I said, NObody chains a boat to a dock or rock on shore. Why would anyone
think they can chain a boat to a rock under the water? ans: they don't think
so. they KNOW the anchor will drag. they are just too lazy to use anything
but all chain in their electric windlass.

20 knots is not "a blow", especially not if you are behind any kind of
protection in terms of where you are anchoring (e.g. behind a barrier
island, in some kind of protected waterway, etc.)

Those are reasonably stiff operational conditions around here, but are
definitely not "a blow".

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20 knots is not "a blow"

it is if you are on all chain, and there is any wave action.

especially not if you are behind any kind of
protection in terms of where you are anchoring (e.g. behind a barrier
island, in some kind of protected waterway, etc.)

Those are reasonably stiff operational conditions around here, but are
definitely not "a blow".

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Around 10/3/2004 5:24 PM, Karl Denninger wrote:

In article ,
JAXAshby wrote:


garth, a blow is 20 knots with waves. Under those conditions, an all-chain
rode will jerk the anchor from the bottom unless the boat owner put out a LOT
of scope (more than a proper rode of some chain and a lot of nylon) and/or hung
50 or 100 pounds of dead weight in the middle of the rode.

The nice thing with chain is that the rode *itself* is dead weight. You
can use less scope with an all chain rode than with a mixed or pure
nylon rode.

chain don't stretch, and when the winds pull the chain more or less tight,

Which won't happen, unless A) you don't have enough scope or B) there is
a _lot_ of freakin' wind.

Do you have /any/ idea how much wind force would be required to pull any
appropriate scope of chain *straight*??

wind
gusts can and do put HUGE loads on the anchor system, and jerking from wave
actions as put orders of magnitude more load on the system.

Like I said, NObody chains a boat to a dock or rock on shore.

Why are you comparing an anchor to a dock or rock on shore?

Why would anyone
think they can chain a boat to a rock under the water?

Why are you comparing an anchor to a rock under the water?

ans: they don't think
so. they KNOW the anchor will drag.

Drag, probably not. Reset, yes. An anchor isn't this immovable object
you seem to think it is.

they are just too lazy to use anything
but all chain in their electric windlass.

It's not a matter of laziness. All chain has several advantages over all
nylon, not the least of which is chafe resistance and weight.


20 knots is not "a blow", especially not if you are behind any kind of
protection in terms of where you are anchoring (e.g. behind a barrier
island, in some kind of protected waterway, etc.)

Those are reasonably stiff operational conditions around here, but are
definitely not "a blow".

I've been out in 20 knot winds (not by choice), but I sure wouldn't want
to anchor in them!


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"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

The nice thing with chain is that the rode *itself* is dead weight. You
can use less scope with an all chain rode than with a mixed or pure
nylon rode.

chain don't stretch, and when the winds pull the chain more or less tight,

Which won't happen, unless A) you don't have enough scope or B) there is
a _lot_ of freakin' wind.

Do you have /any/ idea how much wind force would be required to pull any
appropriate scope of chain *straight*??

wind
gusts can and do put HUGE loads on the anchor system, and jerking from wave
actions as put orders of magnitude more load on the system.

Like I said, NObody chains a boat to a dock or rock on shore.

Why are you comparing an anchor to a dock or rock on shore?

Why would anyone
think they can chain a boat to a rock under the water?

Why are you comparing an anchor to a rock under the water?

ans: they don't think
so. they KNOW the anchor will drag.

Drag, probably not. Reset, yes. An anchor isn't this immovable object
you seem to think it is.

they are just too lazy to use anything
but all chain in their electric windlass.

It's not a matter of laziness. All chain has several advantages over all
nylon, not the least of which is chafe resistance and weight.


20 knots is not "a blow", especially not if you are behind any kind of
protection in terms of where you are anchoring (e.g. behind a barrier
island, in some kind of protected waterway, etc.)

Those are reasonably stiff operational conditions around here, but are
definitely not "a blow".

I've been out in 20 knot winds (not by choice), but I sure wouldn't want
to anchor in them!


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~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

I've been out in 20 knot winds (not by choice), but I sure wouldn't want
to anchor in them!

Oh, My GOD, garth!!!! two zero nots of wind, and you are frickin ang cored!!!!

On 10/3/2004 7:28 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

I've been out in 20 knot winds (not by choice), but I sure wouldn't want
to anchor in them!


Oh, My GOD, garth!!!! two zero nots of wind, and you are frickin ang cored!!!!

Have you thought about taking an English course at your local community
college?

Anyway, in a 14' runabout with 20 knot winds, I'm either at dock or
heading there quickly.


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~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

garth, you only need a 15# mushroom and 50 feet of clothesline. why are you in
this discussion?

Garth Almgren
Date: 10/4/2004 12:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 10/3/2004 7:28 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

I've been out in 20 knot winds (not by choice), but I sure wouldn't want
to anchor in them!


Oh, My GOD, garth!!!! two zero nots of wind, and you are frickin ang
cored!!!!

Have you thought about taking an English course at your local community
college?

Anyway, in a 14' runabout with 20 knot winds, I'm either at dock or
heading there quickly.


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~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

The nice thing with chain is that the rode *itself* is dead weight. You
can use less scope with an all chain rode than with a mixed or pure
nylon rode.

bull****. what an abjectly stupid thing to post. dumb cluck, have you ANY
idea what an anchor is? go back to study hall, little boy. lunch hour isn't
for 40 or 50 minutes from now.

On 10/3/2004 7:02 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

The nice thing with chain is that the rode *itself* is dead weight. You
can use less scope with an all chain rode than with a mixed or pure
nylon rode.


bull****.

Nope, that's the plain truth. On my honor as an Eagle Scout.

what an abjectly stupid thing to post.

Let's try a simple little experiment: Find yourself a length of chain,
say about 6'.
You *do* know what chain looks like, right? (Hint: A series of links,
usually of made out of metal)

OK. Lift a couple links off the ground, and notice that it feels fairly
light.
Now, lift about half the chain off the ground. A bit heavier, isn't it?
Now, lift the whole thing off the ground. Pretty darn heavy, isn't it?


Like I said, it is it's own dead weight. Plain and simple.
If you deny that, you might as well deny that the sine of pi is 0 or
that the earth isn't flat.


dumb cluck, have you ANY idea what an anchor is?

Clearly more so than you.


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~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

gorth, did you ever finish high school before your 21st birthday?

you, like box of rocks jeffies, really are too stupid for words. rational
discussion is not possible with you. Entire segments of the rational
population believe people like you should not be allowed to vote, you are so
stupid. Other segments say not to worry, for you are too stupid to find a
polling place anyway, so the problem is solved.

Me, I am part of the group that thinks people like you should be sterilized by
law before puberty or third grade, which ever occurs first, so your kind can't
keep on infecting the world.

Garth Almgren
Date: 10/4/2004 1:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 10/3/2004 7:02 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

The nice thing with chain is that the rode *itself* is dead weight. You
can use less scope with an all chain rode than with a mixed or pure
nylon rode.


bull****.

Nope, that's the plain truth. On my honor as an Eagle Scout.

what an abjectly stupid thing to post.

Let's try a simple little experiment: Find yourself a length of chain,
say about 6'.
You *do* know what chain looks like, right? (Hint: A series of links,
usually of made out of metal)

OK. Lift a couple links off the ground, and notice that it feels fairly
light.
Now, lift about half the chain off the ground. A bit heavier, isn't it?
Now, lift the whole thing off the ground. Pretty darn heavy, isn't it?


Like I said, it is it's own dead weight. Plain and simple.
If you deny that, you might as well deny that the sine of pi is 0 or
that the earth isn't flat.


dumb cluck, have you ANY idea what an anchor is?

Clearly more so than you.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows