genie, you are a pip. you just agreed with me, in total.

"Gene Kearns"
Date: 9/28/2004 8:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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On 28 Sep 2004 00:38:15 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

karl, knock it off. next time READ the frickin thread before you respond.
the
thread was about shock loads and some frickin idgit's claim that anchor are
SUPPOSED to drag because otherwise the shock loads (on an all chain rode)
would
break the deck chocks off.


I think if you re-read the thread for content, you'll see that outside
of your textbook-like Jaxian world, anchors are subject to the same
laws of physics that everything else is subject to.

The original quote was, "See if your CO soaked pea brain can
understand this: an anchor is not supposed to move but under certain
conditions, it does."

Anchors MUST drag at some point because they don't have infinite
holding power (perhaps you'll post a list of things that do). In
addition, their holding power is normally less than the tensile
strength of the rode (line or chain) and the strength of the deck
hardware.

You are trying to say that on LIS all chain rode anchors drag, but
they also rip out deck cleats..... how can it do both? I don't know
that LIS is known for whopper waves, which pretty much lowers your
argument to improper scope, which you alluded to in a previous post...
only to ignore your own words, since they disprove your position.

Not happy with this conundrum, though, you posit that a 20,000# boat
will create #40,000 of pull on an anchor and rode. Thus, creating the
"infinite holding power anchor" which surely must exist only in your
little universe. Please post examples of anchors (appropriate to a
20,000# boat) that have a holding capacity of 40,000#.


Ok, puppy, roll over and play dead.... beg

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abd then graduated to an L16, all before I was 20.

hoary, when I was 20 I was a professional killer. you, at 20, were still
trying to figure out why girls panties were smooth on the crotch.

Wow! Professional mechanic instructor

professional mechanic, not mechanic instructor. instructing people who don't
understant is way too much work.

at 14,

starting at 12, not 14

hit man

professional killer, not a hit man.

at 20.....


and now?

still feeling frustrated trying to "instruct" a severe idiot in even the most
simple of basics.




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starting at 12, not 14


Hmmm, well you posted earlier that it was at 14 and you were training
your buddy how to be an aviation mechanic?

too much alcohol in ya junnie. I said 12, and it was 12. I said I taught him
much of what he learned about engines before we graduated high school and he
went on to get an A&E and I went on to study what I studied.

and, you are too dumb to know how you did it.

genie, you are a pip. you just agreed with me, in total.


ROFLMAO..... that is the most inelegant flip-flop I've ever seen.....

Well, at least you finally admitted you were wrong...... that *is*
the first step to recovery....
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Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

junnie, do you read what you write? if so, why do you hit the "post" button?
you just got done saying that anchoring in 20 knots gusting to 30 involves no
shock loads beyond what you can expect in 2 knots gusting to 3.

what a duffus. hell, junnie, you didn't even score the miserable 625 in math
that even hoary was embarrassed to write about.

btw junnie, wanna tell us what you did score on you math SAT?

"Gene Kearns"
Date: 9/28/2004 2:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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On 28 Sep 2004 15:15:16 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

Please point to reference, at any time, to "steady winds with no
waves."

genie, *you* made the arguement that no shock loads were involved, therefore
*you* argued the case of "steady winds with no waves."

dummy. can't you understand your own posts?

Clearly you have me mixed up with somebody else... or you just dreamed
this position up. I never mentioned "steady winds" nor did I mention
"no waves" nor did I imply in any way this was or would be the case.

My point has always been that if shock loads are involved they are
absorbed by a properly sized chain rode payed out over a proper scope.

One doesn't have to position themselves at the end of a long bungee
cord to prevent shock loading..... the link you posted to the formulae
associated with catenaries proves it, as I posted the same link in
support of my position. You now flip-flop again and try to argue both
sides of the matter.

What difference does it make, anyway? You have already pointed out
that in your experience on LIS, the boats drifting at anchor were
caused by improper rode.... not choice of material....unless you feel
that one can use any length of rode successfully just by using a piece
of rope instead of chain. Is that your new position?
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Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

genie, an Admiralty court doesn't adjudicate criminal cases.


Thank you for noting that little bit of obvious truth

so, genie, wanna tell us why you stated otherwise?

as a bit
of support, please post the statue requiring anything other than all
chain rode....

the law of the land requires *you* to act as "a reasonable man" would (that is
the legal definition used by the courts). no reasonable man would chain a boat
to a dock. no reasonable man would chain a boat to a rock on shore. no
reasonable man would chain his boat to a rock under water.

therefore any reasonable man who chains his boat to an anchor underwater knews
ahead of time the anchor will pull loose, and should his negligent actions
injure someone the reasonable man knows he will go to jail.

ask an attorney to explain to you what happens when you drive a car drunk
(something no reasonable man does) and injure someone.

you deserve to do hard jail time.

btw, admiralty courts would be absolutely certain to understand the all
chain
issue, for every last merchant marine out there understands it, and
understands
it well.


No doubt.... ROFLMAO. Citations? Of course not.

ask any merchant marine.

Ok, for arguments sake, I'll stipulate the 12 YO...... what is it you
studied....

some science stuff.

post High School???

yes, of course. Also studied some science stuff in high school (was a National
Science Foundation Summer Fellow summer after my junior year), but studied
rather a bit more science stuff after high school.

Where did you graduate?

A very big school. In fact, one of the largest in the country.

Did you?

of course.

Can you tell me where the law is that prohibits an all chain rode?


any and every time it is used when it is dangerous, as "a reasonable man" would
understand it.

that means, little boy, under most conditions where the winds might get over 18
knots and someone might be hurt and/or property damaged by the boat of the
negligent owner's stew ped actions.