JAXAshby wrote:
So ..... In other words, YOU have NO experience using "all" chain,


are you ****ing kidding me? I also have no experience with suicide, but I
ain't also a dumb **** in that either.

So, in other words, you're admitting you don't know what you're talking
about, as per usual....... assumptions based on scanty information


BTW, 20k is just a "fresh breeze", not a "blow"

otn

Does that mean that I am almost always sailing and anchoring in a "blow"
when I sail in the Leeward and Windard Islands where the trades normally
are 20-25 knots?
krj
JAXAshby wrote:
garth, a blow is 20 knots with waves. Under those conditions, an all-chain
rode will jerk the anchor from the bottom unless the boat owner put out a LOT
of scope (more than a proper rode of some chain and a lot of nylon) and/or hung
50 or 100 pounds of dead weight in the middle of the rode.

chain don't stretch, and when the winds pull the chain more or less tight, wind
gusts can and do put HUGE loads on the anchor system, and jerking from wave
actions as put orders of magnitude more load on the system.

Like I said, NObody chains a boat to a dock or rock on shore. Why would anyone
think they can chain a boat to a rock under the water? ans: they don't think
so. they KNOW the anchor will drag. they are just too lazy to use anything
but all chain in their electric windlass.


From: Garth Almgren
Date: 10/3/2004 7:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Around 10/3/2004 3:50 PM, otnmbrd wrote:


JAXAshby wrote:


a.) all chain rode only became popular on recreational boats when boat
owner
got old, fat and bought boats big enough to need need anchors over
20#, and


All chain rodes have been used and reasonably popular since long before
you started going to boat shows.


b.) all chain doesn't hold very well at all in a blow. If you doubt
that,

I do doubt it, especially since you leave "a blow" undefined. Are we
talking hurricane force?


check the anchorages during and after the next blow, see which boats
dragged --
due to an "act of god", of course -- and which did not. then check to
see how
they anchored.

My guess as to how they anchored? One word: Improperly.

Namely, not enough scope of *whatever* kind of rode.


A "blanket" statement, you obviously can't back up with experience and
show that you are unaware that there may be various causes for a boat
dragging which have little to do with the all chain rode.

I'm guessing that all this hypothetical dragging that Jax is talking
about is either due to improper technique or poor bottom, and not what
kind of rode someone chooses to use.



Whatever. For the record, my boat has always had mixed rode. Anyone
anchoring in a 14' open runabout during "a blow" would have to be nuts,
regardless of what kind of rode they're using.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

JAXAshby wrote:
no, in my case I understand the physics involved, while in your case, over the
knee, you are too fat and lazy to raise an anchor by hand, and too ungainly to
raise a rope/chain rode with an electric windlass.


ROFLMAO Well Doodles, it's one thing to know the "physics involved" and
another to know how to apply them and make them work for the given
equipment and conditions.
You're making it obvious you haven't got a clue as to the practical
application of all the "physics" nonsense you spout.
I have this picture of you sitting on the bow with a laptop, 3-4 anchors
of different types, a mixed bag of rodes, scratching your head whilst
you do a "google" search and try to figure out the "physics" for
anchoring your sailfish.

otn

On 10/3/2004 7:28 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

I've been out in 20 knot winds (not by choice), but I sure wouldn't want
to anchor in them! :)


Oh, My GOD, garth!!!! two zero nots of wind, and you are frickin ang cored!!!!

Have you thought about taking an English course at your local community
college?

Anyway, in a 14' runabout with 20 knot winds, I'm either at dock or
heading there quickly.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

On 10/3/2004 7:11 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

Why are you comparing an anchor to a rock under the water?


wtf???????????????????????????? are
**********************you*********************** thinking when
**********************************you************* ****************************
claim anchor is not
**************************supposed**************** *********************** to
move?

Try reading that again; You're the one comparing an anchor to an
immovable object like a dock or a huge rock and claiming that an anchor
never moves, not me.


have you any idea what the the word anchor means?

Certainly. Do you have any idea how an anchor is suppose to work?


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

On 10/3/2004 7:09 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

Do you have /any/ idea how much wind force would be required to pull any
appropriate scope of chain *straight*??


yes. but obviously you don't. not even close.

I take that to mean you have no idea. You might try it sometime - I
think you'll be surprised.


go google, little boy. google, and try to catch up with the high school boys,
dumb cluck.

Projecting again, eh? From what postings of yours I've read, it is clear
that you know next to nothing about practical boating.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

On 10/3/2004 7:07 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

Do you have /any/ idea how much wind force would be required to pull any
appropriate scope of chain *straight*??



obviously you don't, or you wouldn't ask such a stupid question.

Clearly I do, and you have absolutely no idea.

Speaking of stupid, why did you respond to this same question three
times? For that matter, why did it take you EIGHT separate posts to
respond to my one?


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

"Garth Almgren" wrote in message
...
On 10/3/2004 7:09 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

Do you have /any/ idea how much wind force would be required to pull any
appropriate scope of chain *straight*??


yes. but obviously you don't. not even close.

I take that to mean you have no idea. You might try it sometime - I
think you'll be surprised.


go google, little boy. google, and try to catch up with the high school
boys,
dumb cluck.

Projecting again, eh? From what postings of yours I've read, it is clear
that you know next to nothing about practical boating.

Actually, he knows next to nothing about anything.




--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

On 10/3/2004 7:04 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

Which won't happen, unless A) you don't have enough scope or B) there is
a _lot_ of freakin' wind.



yeah. a _lot_ of freakin' wind. maybe 20 knots, idgit.

You're joking, right? Surely nobody can be *that* dumb and still breathe
on their own.

Just because I personally don't anchor in 20 knot winds doesn't mean
that nobody can or does, or that they can't or don't use all chain with
great success.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

On 10/3/2004 7:02 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

The nice thing with chain is that the rode *itself* is dead weight. You
can use less scope with an all chain rode than with a mixed or pure
nylon rode.


bull****.

Nope, that's the plain truth. On my honor as an Eagle Scout.

what an abjectly stupid thing to post.

Let's try a simple little experiment: Find yourself a length of chain,
say about 6'.
You *do* know what chain looks like, right? (Hint: A series of links,
usually of made out of metal)

OK. Lift a couple links off the ground, and notice that it feels fairly
light.
Now, lift about half the chain off the ground. A bit heavier, isn't it?
Now, lift the whole thing off the ground. Pretty darn heavy, isn't it?


Like I said, it is it's own dead weight. Plain and simple.
If you deny that, you might as well deny that the sine of pi is 0 or
that the earth isn't flat.


dumb cluck, have you ANY idea what an anchor is?

Clearly more so than you.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

On 10/3/2004 1:59 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

Wow, stating facts and offering some helpful speculation makes someone
an asshole these days? I had no idea.


you still have no idea.

I have a very good idea, now, that in your world someone who tells the
truth is an asshole.

junnnie has never once stated a fact correctly

I don't know any "junnie" and you weren't talking to him/her anyway. You
replied to me, and called me an asshole for stating the simple facts
that A) My great uncle's boat has used all chain with great success
since the 60's and B) that was not an uncommon practice, nor has it been
for several decades.

You know, I really tried to have a civil discussion with you, but if
you're just going to continue responding to everything with
unsubstantiated opinion and namecalling, I'm done with you.

--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

Gene Kearns wrote:


He didn't get it.... he never does and he never will, because his mind
is made up. Using laboratory grade special circumstances, it has
nothing to do with anything but shock loading caused by specious
g-forces caused by even more specious accelerations.

Jax has some fetish associated with shock absorption, and G-loading.
We have periodically witnessed this with his rantings on all chain
rodes and tethers that will jerk an unhappy sailor in half when his
sailboat is simply pooped. http://tinyurl.com/66bt8

Maybe he cant tell the difference between his G-loading and his
G-string. :-)

--
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'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Uffa Fox designed, All varnished hot
moulded wooden racing dinghy circa. 1961

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 14:14:13 -0400, "Gene Kearns"
wrote:


Throw in the concept of "reasonable and prudent," a smidgen of some
partially digested high school physics, and Jax's ability to
infallibly predict the future and the result is some really strange
science.


Gosh, guys.... apologies for forgetting the two best ones:

Not only does Jax consider himself, "All beefcake and a boat," but he
has posted such on the newsgroups (the denizens of which quickly
decided it was *really* "all beefcake and a bloat."

He thinks he looks *so good* in Speedos, he dressed in his, uh,
costume, photographed himself, and posted it on the Internet....

Weird science, indeed....


Now, now, Gene...I've seen a photo of you in your beard, and I know the
only reason you have it is to excite the ladies...and cover your
Speedo...

--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 14:14:13 -0400, "Gene Kearns"
wrote:


Throw in the concept of "reasonable and prudent," a smidgen of some
partially digested high school physics, and Jax's ability to
infallibly predict the future and the result is some really strange
science.


Gosh, guys.... apologies for forgetting the two best ones:

Not only does Jax consider himself, "All beefcake and a boat," but he
has posted such on the newsgroups (the denizens of which quickly
decided it was *really* "all beefcake and a bloat."

He thinks he looks *so good* in Speedos, he dressed in his, uh,
costume, photographed himself, and posted it on the Internet....

Weird science, indeed....


How is this crap in any way better than the OT political crap you complain
about Kearns?

I am absolutely certain, kry joycer kay, that *you* anchor in open to the winds
anchorages day after day.

the rest of the world is rather a bit more intelligence than you are, kry
joycer kay.


Date: 10/4/2004 10:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Does that mean that I am almost always sailing and anchoring in a "blow"
when I sail in the Leeward and Windard Islands where the trades normally
are 20-25 knots?
krj
JAXAshby wrote:
garth, a blow is 20 knots with waves. Under those conditions, an all-chain
rode will jerk the anchor from the bottom unless the boat owner put out a
LOT
of scope (more than a proper rode of some chain and a lot of nylon) and/or
hung
50 or 100 pounds of dead weight in the middle of the rode.

chain don't stretch, and when the winds pull the chain more or less tight,
wind
gusts can and do put HUGE loads on the anchor system, and jerking from wave
actions as put orders of magnitude more load on the system.

Like I said, NObody chains a boat to a dock or rock on shore. Why would
anyone
think they can chain a boat to a rock under the water? ans: they don't
think
so. they KNOW the anchor will drag. they are just too lazy to use
anything
but all chain in their electric windlass.


From: Garth Almgren
Date: 10/3/2004 7:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Around 10/3/2004 3:50 PM, otnmbrd wrote:


JAXAshby wrote:


a.) all chain rode only became popular on recreational boats when boat
owner
got old, fat and bought boats big enough to need need anchors over
20#, and


All chain rodes have been used and reasonably popular since long before
you started going to boat shows.


b.) all chain doesn't hold very well at all in a blow. If you doubt
that,

I do doubt it, especially since you leave "a blow" undefined. Are we
talking hurricane force?


check the anchorages during and after the next blow, see which boats
dragged --
due to an "act of god", of course -- and which did not. then check to
see how
they anchored.

My guess as to how they anchored? One word: Improperly.

Namely, not enough scope of *whatever* kind of rode.


A "blanket" statement, you obviously can't back up with experience and
show that you are unaware that there may be various causes for a boat
dragging which have little to do with the all chain rode.

I'm guessing that all this hypothetical dragging that Jax is talking
about is either due to improper technique or poor bottom, and not what
kind of rode someone chooses to use.



Whatever. For the record, my boat has always had mixed rode. Anyone
anchoring in a 14' open runabout during "a blow" would have to be nuts,
regardless of what kind of rode they're using.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

garth, you only need a 15# mushroom and 50 feet of clothesline. why are you in
this discussion?

Garth Almgren
Date: 10/4/2004 12:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 10/3/2004 7:28 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

I've been out in 20 knot winds (not by choice), but I sure wouldn't want
to anchor in them! :)


Oh, My GOD, garth!!!! two zero nots of wind, and you are frickin ang
cored!!!!

Have you thought about taking an English course at your local community
college?

Anyway, in a 14' runabout with 20 knot winds, I'm either at dock or
heading there quickly.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

garth, do you know you have twice posted that anchors are not supposed to stay
anchored?

dum-dum, if anchors are supposed to drag why put one down at all?

Garth Almgren
Date: 10/4/2004 12:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 10/3/2004 7:11 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

Why are you comparing an anchor to a rock under the water?


wtf???????????????????????????? are
**********************you*********************** thinking when

**********************************you************ *****************************
claim anchor is not
**************************supposed**************** ***********************
to
move?

Try reading that again; You're the one comparing an anchor to an
immovable object like a dock or a huge rock and claiming that an anchor
never moves, not me.


have you any idea what the the word anchor means?

Certainly. Do you have any idea how an anchor is suppose to work?


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

that you know next to nothing about practical boating.

garth, it is *you* who claims anchors are SUPPOSED to drag, not me. you
learned that from *your* "practical boating"?

Me? I learned to anchor properly, and thus my biggest concern anchored in a
squall is all those fumb ducks on all chain dragging down on me. One of those
fumb ducks was actually ****ed when I blew my horn five times quicker as he
dragged to within about 50 feet of me before he got his engine started. I was
interferring with his "navigating" by blowing the horn.

please, gorth, stay at the dock.

For that matter, why did it take you EIGHT separate posts to
respond to my one?


because you made EIGHT (your word) stew ped (the word used by upper half of the
world to describe the idiotic ways of your half of the world) mistakes in one
post.

Just because I personally don't anchor in 20 knot winds

you don't anchor

doesn't mean
that nobody can or does,

of course. I and many others have done it many times.

or that they can't or don't use all chain with
great success.

"great success" includes dragging, sometime anchors are supposed to do,
according to you. 1984 Newspeak.

gorth, did you ever finish high school before your 21st birthday?

you, like box of rocks jeffies, really are too stupid for words. rational
discussion is not possible with you. Entire segments of the rational
population believe people like you should not be allowed to vote, you are so
stupid. Other segments say not to worry, for you are too stupid to find a
polling place anyway, so the problem is solved.

Me, I am part of the group that thinks people like you should be sterilized by
law before puberty or third grade, which ever occurs first, so your kind can't
keep on infecting the world.

Garth Almgren
Date: 10/4/2004 1:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 10/3/2004 7:02 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

The nice thing with chain is that the rode *itself* is dead weight. You
can use less scope with an all chain rode than with a mixed or pure
nylon rode.


bull****.

Nope, that's the plain truth. On my honor as an Eagle Scout.

what an abjectly stupid thing to post.

Let's try a simple little experiment: Find yourself a length of chain,
say about 6'.
You *do* know what chain looks like, right? (Hint: A series of links,
usually of made out of metal)

OK. Lift a couple links off the ground, and notice that it feels fairly
light.
Now, lift about half the chain off the ground. A bit heavier, isn't it?
Now, lift the whole thing off the ground. Pretty darn heavy, isn't it?


Like I said, it is it's own dead weight. Plain and simple.
If you deny that, you might as well deny that the sine of pi is 0 or
that the earth isn't flat.


dumb cluck, have you ANY idea what an anchor is?

Clearly more so than you.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

ain't it nice that now junnie is saying OSHA doesn't know what it is talking
about? junnie did say that (post below) but he is too dumb to realize it.

"Gene Kearns"
Date: 10/4/2004 2:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:07:38 -0700, Garth Almgren
wrote:

On 10/3/2004 7:02 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

The nice thing with chain is that the rode *itself* is dead weight. You
can use less scope with an all chain rode than with a mixed or pure
nylon rode.


bull****.

Nope, that's the plain truth. On my honor as an Eagle Scout.

what an abjectly stupid thing to post.

Let's try a simple little experiment: Find yourself a length of chain,
say about 6'.
You *do* know what chain looks like, right? (Hint: A series of links,
usually of made out of metal)

OK. Lift a couple links off the ground, and notice that it feels fairly
light.
Now, lift about half the chain off the ground. A bit heavier, isn't it?
Now, lift the whole thing off the ground. Pretty darn heavy, isn't it?


I tried the same logic with him, but it didn't work.... Something
like, pull a 100' rope tight, pretty easy, huh? ... Now try and pull a
100' 5/16 chain tight, pretty impossible, huh? Get it?


He didn't get it.... he never does and he never will, because his mind
is made up. Using laboratory grade special circumstances, it has
nothing to do with anything but shock loading caused by specious
g-forces caused by even more specious accelerations.

Jax has some fetish associated with shock absorption, and G-loading.
We have periodically witnessed this with his rantings on all chain
rodes and tethers that will jerk an unhappy sailor in half when his
sailboat is simply pooped. http://tinyurl.com/66bt8

Throw in the concept of "reasonable and prudent," a smidgen of some
partially digested high school physics, and Jax's ability to
infallibly predict the future and the result is some really strange
science.

It is a catenary, but doesn't *act* like a catenary when it doesn't
prove "the point."

It is an anchor (by definition) and is an infinitely immovable point.
(One can, with a 20,000# boat strain the rode with 40,000# of pull and
not dislodge this "anchor".)

A rode can withstand a 40,000# pull (your choice, rope or chain).

An anchor's holding capacity has nothing to do with the angle of pull
from horizontal.

A boat doesn't yaw at anchor and when it does it has nothing to do
with the ability of an anchor to hold.

Chain rode must use greater score than rope (note the catenary problem
re-emerges.. in spite of anchor manufacturer's recommendations).

....Just to name a few....
--



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http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

How is this crap in any way better than the OT political crap you complain
about Kearns?

kearns is the fumb duck in this thread.

I really tried to have a civil discussion with you

no, you didn't. you just spewed out trival squat, insisting that because you
can't -- and in are unable -- understand something, it doesn't exist.

your uncle's boat tied to a dock forty years ago in no way defines the
universe. forty years ago, your uncle also drove with fx today's limit of
alcohol in blood, and the fact that he never happened to kill someone in no way
"proves" his drunk driving was not then and today criminal.

I'm done with you.


good. please anchor downwind of me. I'll sleep better knowing you can't drag
down on my boat.

Did you ever spend a week anchored in the Tobago Cays? Probably not.
There is nothing but open water to the East until you get to Africa. Or
Salt Whistle Bay in Mayreau, a 10' strip of sand is all that seperates
the bay from the open Atlantic. How about Union Island. Harbor is on the
East side of the island. Winds average 20 knots all the time. So you are
saying that all the sailors that enjoy sailing the Windwards are idiots
or unintelligent? You needto get outof LIS and cruise somewhere that
real sailors go. A lot of boats use all chain rode, including mine.
Never had it drag, never had another boat drag into mine.
krj

JAXAshby wrote:
I am absolutely certain, kry joycer kay, that *you* anchor in open to the winds
anchorages day after day.

the rest of the world is rather a bit more intelligence than you are, kry
joycer kay.



Date: 10/4/2004 10:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Does that mean that I am almost always sailing and anchoring in a "blow"
when I sail in the Leeward and Windard Islands where the trades normally
are 20-25 knots?
krj
JAXAshby wrote:

garth, a blow is 20 knots with waves. Under those conditions, an all-chain
rode will jerk the anchor from the bottom unless the boat owner put out a

LOT

of scope (more than a proper rode of some chain and a lot of nylon) and/or

hung

50 or 100 pounds of dead weight in the middle of the rode.

chain don't stretch, and when the winds pull the chain more or less tight,

wind

gusts can and do put HUGE loads on the anchor system, and jerking from wave
actions as put orders of magnitude more load on the system.

Like I said, NObody chains a boat to a dock or rock on shore. Why would

anyone

think they can chain a boat to a rock under the water? ans: they don't

think

so. they KNOW the anchor will drag. they are just too lazy to use

anything

but all chain in their electric windlass.



From: Garth Almgren
Date: 10/3/2004 7:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Around 10/3/2004 3:50 PM, otnmbrd wrote:



JAXAshby wrote:



a.) all chain rode only became popular on recreational boats when boat
owner
got old, fat and bought boats big enough to need need anchors over
20#, and


All chain rodes have been used and reasonably popular since long before
you started going to boat shows.



b.) all chain doesn't hold very well at all in a blow. If you doubt
that,

I do doubt it, especially since you leave "a blow" undefined. Are we
talking hurricane force?



check the anchorages during and after the next blow, see which boats
dragged --
due to an "act of god", of course -- and which did not. then check to
see how
they anchored.

My guess as to how they anchored? One word: Improperly.

Namely, not enough scope of *whatever* kind of rode.



A "blanket" statement, you obviously can't back up with experience and
show that you are unaware that there may be various causes for a boat
dragging which have little to do with the all chain rode.

I'm guessing that all this hypothetical dragging that Jax is talking
about is either due to improper technique or poor bottom, and not what
kind of rode someone chooses to use.



Whatever. For the record, my boat has always had mixed rode. Anyone
anchoring in a 14' open runabout during "a blow" would have to be nuts,
regardless of what kind of rode they're using.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

A lot of boats use all chain rode, including mine

you are stupid.

Never had it drag, never had another boat drag into mine.
krj


you are lucky. just like the drunk drivers of old who claimed driving drunk
was okay because they had never hit anything, yet.

kry joy kay, anchoring on all chain is going to bite you sooner or later. it
is patently stupid, as shown by the fact that nobody chains a boat to dock or a
rock on shore. therefore anyone and everyone who chains their boat to an
anchor clearly shows to one and all (including courts, should someone get
injured due to their neglegent actions) they fully understand and intend that
the anchor drags. people intend to drag anchor, as so many on this thread
clearly state.

Subject: Anchors are SUPPOSED to drag?
From: (JAXAshby)


350# of chain and anchor in the bow of any boat harms the sailing
capability of
that boat in the same fashion as having 350# of rail meat standing on the
bow.


More Doodles assumptions based on scanty information.

huh? 350# of anchor/chain on the bow is different -- in terms of boat
performance -- from 350# of rail meat on the bow just how??????????????


Ever stop to think that the designer may have put that 350# of chain and anchor
up there for a reason, other than just anchoring? Didn't think so.....

Shen

Ever stop to think that the designer may have put that 350# of chain and
anchor
up there for a reason, other than just anchoring? Didn't think so.....

Shen

don't let reality intrude on your thought process, shun. reality can be so
confusing to some people. ignore it.

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:17:35 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


How is this crap in any way better than the OT political crap you complain
about Kearns?


Oh, how sweet. Jax has a champion. Did he give you his lace hankie?

Jim Hertvig has been off his feed since he sold his boat...maybe he
could build a rowboat in that triple garage of his this winter.

--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:17:35 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


How is this crap in any way better than the OT political crap you complain
about Kearns?


Oh, how sweet. Jax has a champion. Did he give you his lace hankie?
--


I am not a fan of Jax nor believe most of what he posts.

I offered a simple question to you because you complain about OT posts. You
could not offer a reasonable reply so you insult me. As expected.

On 05 Oct 2004 10:40:22 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

don't let reality intrude on your thought process, shun. reality can be so
confusing to some people. ignore it.

==============================================

When was the last time YOU experienced reality in your thought
process? My guess is that Dwight David was president at the time if
it happened at all.

This quote best decribes this thread: "I think that this situation
absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on
somebody's part."
Otter in Animal House

"We're just the guys to do it."
Bluto in Animal House

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:45:42 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:17:35 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


How is this crap in any way better than the OT political crap you complain
about Kearns?


Oh, how sweet. Jax has a champion. Did he give you his lace hankie?
--


I am not a fan of Jax nor believe most of what he posts.

I offered a simple question to you because you complain about OT posts. You
could not offer a reasonable reply so you insult me. As expected.


Last I checked, this thread was about anchors, catenaries, chain....
that sort of thing.....

... at least until Jax got insulting and demeaning.

Why did you single me out for correction and ignore his posts?



Because since he started residing in my bozo bin, he doesn't have anyone
to play with, and he's hoping you'll engage him. I kid you not.

--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?

Subject: Anchors are SUPPOSED to drag?
From: (JAXAshby)


Ever stop to think that the designer may have put that 350# of chain and
anchor
up there for a reason, other than just anchoring? Didn't think so.....

Shen

don't let reality intrude on your thought process, shun. reality can be so
confusing to some people. ignore it.

BG In other words, you hadn't thought about it and now that you have, you
haven't a clue as to why...... hence, your "Doodle"speak response.

Shen

Around 10/4/2004 11:14 AM, Gene Kearns wrote:

Throw in the concept of "reasonable and prudent," a smidgen of some
partially digested high school physics, and Jax's ability to
infallibly predict the future and the result is some really strange
science.

It is a catenary, but doesn't *act* like a catenary when it doesn't
prove "the point."

It is an anchor (by definition) and is an infinitely immovable point.
(One can, with a 20,000# boat strain the rode with 40,000# of pull and
not dislodge this "anchor".)

A rode can withstand a 40,000# pull (your choice, rope or chain).

An anchor's holding capacity has nothing to do with the angle of pull
from horizontal.

A boat doesn't yaw at anchor and when it does it has nothing to do
with the ability of an anchor to hold.

Chain rode must use greater score than rope (note the catenary problem
re-emerges.. in spite of anchor manufacturer's recommendations).

....Just to name a few....

Yikes. So, reality has no effect on him?

--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

On 03 Oct 2004 23:19:00 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

My boatshow going experience goes back to the 1950's. All chain rodes didn't
start to become popular until the later 1980's and didn't really hit stride
until the mid 1990's.

Some people did it long ago, but most of them lost their boats early on.

================================================== ======

Total BS. Serious world cruisers have been using all chain rodes
since almost time eternal. These are the folks who bet their life and
their boat on the anchoring system every day.

Tell us about all the people you know who have lost their boats due to
a chain rode.

junnie -- giggling as a beer-besotted village idiot -- hacked out that
following after 44 tries:

Oh, how sweet. Jax has a champion. Did he give you his lace hankie?

what a sorry piece of dog sung you are junnie.

jim, junnie's posts have no value. as expected.

I offered a simple question to you because you complain about OT posts. You
could not offer a reasonable reply so you insult me. As expected.

thank you, wayne, for telling us *you* expect *your* anchor to drag, and even
require it. we will take care to anchor upwind of you.

Wayne.B
Date: 10/5/2004 8:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 05 Oct 2004 10:40:22 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

don't let reality intrude on your thought process, shun. reality can be so
confusing to some people. ignore it.

==============================================

When was the last time YOU experienced reality in your thought
process? My guess is that Dwight David was president at the time if
it happened at all.

because, junnie, you contributed not a thing of value. as expected.

"Gene Kearns"
Date: 10/5/2004 10:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:45:42 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:17:35 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


How is this crap in any way better than the OT political crap you complain
about Kearns?


Oh, how sweet. Jax has a champion. Did he give you his lace hankie?
--


I am not a fan of Jax nor believe most of what he posts.

I offered a simple question to you because you complain about OT posts. You

could not offer a reasonable reply so you insult me. As expected.


Last I checked, this thread was about anchors, catenaries, chain....
that sort of thing.....

... at least until Jax got insulting and demeaning.

Why did you single me out for correction and ignore his posts?

--



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