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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:32:57 -0400, something compelled "P.
Fritz" , to say: Adolescent name calling, such an intellectual rebuttal........... BTW no need to dream...... "JAXAshby" wrote in message The only people more stupid than Jax are those that engage him in "conversation". |
The only people more stupid than Jax are those who anchor on all chain in a blow and then claim it was an "act of god" they dragged. |
"P. Fritz" wrote in message ...
"Karl Denninger" wrote in message nk.net... In article , JAXAshby wrote: 625 WHEN? Prior to 1985 or so, a 625 was pretty goddamn good. bullsquat. 625 on math was always poor at best. such students were advised to go into poly sci or art history. You are completely full of ****. Before roughly 1985 when the test was re-normed a 600 score on either part of the test was in the top 3 percent of all 18 year olds in verbal, and the top 5-6% in math. That ain't "poor" by any standard. A 650 was in the top 1% verbal, and the top 2% in math. If you scored at or above 650 you probably would qualify for Mensa. Among college-bound, a 650 in was in the top 4% in verbal, and top 8% in math ability. 600 Verbals correlated with a roughly 130 IQ, as did a 650 in Math. This all in the pre-renormed SAT world. Post 1985ish when the test was re-normed those numbers became MUCH less impressive. Yup.......I recall that 1200 was the bench mark. (late 70's)....getting that or higher was pretty much a guaranteed acceptance at any school in the country I believe at that time......you got 400 for showing up for the test. I concur. |
Gene Kearns wrote:
On 28 Sep 2004 00:38:15 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: You are trying to say that on LIS all chain rode anchors drag, but they also rip out deck cleats..... how can it do both? I don't know that LIS is known for whopper waves, which pretty much lowers your argument to improper scope, which you alluded to in a previous post... only to ignore your own words, since they disprove your position. My parents had a tiny summer cottage adjacent to Long Island Sound for more than 20 years, and I spent ALL of my summers while growing up in Connecticut, from June through Labor Day, there. During hurricanes, we'd get some interesting wind-generated waves, biggies, but not the monsters you see during the same storms on the Atlantic. We'd get a big storm surge, too. But most of the time, the Sound was pretty calm, or a little choppy. Nothing that I couldn't handle in the small boats my father gave me for summer use. And I mean small. There are some parts of the Connecticut side of the Sound where the shorelines are rocky and the rocks extend out some distance into the water. During extra low tides, we'd always see underwater structure revealed that we never knew was there. Then, as now, most boaters got along with a Danforth anchor, a short length of chain and...get this...manilla rodes. Yep...real rope, as God intended. I had a mooring out in the little cove in front of where we lived. It was a 100-pound mushroom in 20' of water attached to 80' 0f chain attached to a stainless steel beer barrel. We yanked the mooring at the end of each season, and back at my dad's shop, I'd clean off the chain and in the spring, recoat it with copper anti-foul. We used the SAME mooring for at least 20 years and even in hurricanes, it never dragged. Did I say it was all chain? -- We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah. What, me worry? |
"Steve Daniels" wrote in message ... On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:32:57 -0400, something compelled "P. Fritz" , to say: Adolescent name calling, such an intellectual rebuttal........... BTW no need to dream...... "JAXAshby" wrote in message The only people more stupid than Jax are those that engage him in "conversation". Come on.....it's sort of fun to make expose his stupidity.......just like doing it to asslicker :-) |
Please point to reference, at any time, to "steady winds with no
waves." genie, *you* made the arguement that no shock loads were involved, therefore *you* argued the case of "steady winds with no waves." dummy. can't you understand your own posts? |
genie, an Admiralty court doesn't adjudicate criminal cases.
btw, admiralty courts would be absolutely certain to understand the all chain issue, for every last merchant marine out there understands it, and understands it well. genie, it took you decades to get an aircraft mechanic's license (easily gotten by 18 year old boys). why do you think you might not take many, many more decades to learn which of a boat the pointy end is? genie, you anchor that way you will most certainly drag anchor on all chain. *you* do that and hurt someone ***I*** will personally make absolute certain you are charged with criminal activity. bet on it, just as you can bet on being charged for driving drunk and injurying someone. Please do. I'd love to see how your position and logic are dealt with in an Admiralty Court. Why not cite some cases where all chain rode was found to be dangerous. Yep. Roll over and play dead. do you also drive a boat drunk, genie? and you justify it how? This is your idea of logical progression of thought and logic? No wonder your Physics is so bizarre. I repeat. Here is what an anchor manufacturer says.... of course, what do they know when faced with the superior intellect of Jaxian omniscience.... In rough weather, minimum recommended scope is 4 for an all-chain rode, 7 for a combination chain/rope rode, and 10 for an all rope rode. It is recommended that zinc coated Grade 30 or zinc coated Proof Coil chain be used with load rated high quality zinc coated shackles to US Federal specification RR-C-271d Type IV or equivalent. These shackles exceed the strength of the chain while having pin diameters small enough to pass through the extremity links of the chain. Where a larger lower quality shackle of similar strength is used as a substitute, a riveted joining link one size larger than the chain is recommended for connection of the shackle to the chain. =====References====== http://www.bruceanchor.co.uk/cast.htm http://www.andrews.com/kysc/bt/anchorin.htm What empirical evidence do you have to prove the manufacturer wrong? Yep, thought so, again. Roll over and play dead. Nice Doggy..... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
genie, you are a pip. you just agreed with me, in total.
"Gene Kearns" Date: 9/28/2004 8:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: On 28 Sep 2004 00:38:15 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: karl, knock it off. next time READ the frickin thread before you respond. the thread was about shock loads and some frickin idgit's claim that anchor are SUPPOSED to drag because otherwise the shock loads (on an all chain rode) would break the deck chocks off. I think if you re-read the thread for content, you'll see that outside of your textbook-like Jaxian world, anchors are subject to the same laws of physics that everything else is subject to. The original quote was, "See if your CO soaked pea brain can understand this: an anchor is not supposed to move but under certain conditions, it does." Anchors MUST drag at some point because they don't have infinite holding power (perhaps you'll post a list of things that do). In addition, their holding power is normally less than the tensile strength of the rode (line or chain) and the strength of the deck hardware. You are trying to say that on LIS all chain rode anchors drag, but they also rip out deck cleats..... how can it do both? I don't know that LIS is known for whopper waves, which pretty much lowers your argument to improper scope, which you alluded to in a previous post... only to ignore your own words, since they disprove your position. Not happy with this conundrum, though, you posit that a 20,000# boat will create #40,000 of pull on an anchor and rode. Thus, creating the "infinite holding power anchor" which surely must exist only in your little universe. Please post examples of anchors (appropriate to a 20,000# boat) that have a holding capacity of 40,000#. Ok, puppy, roll over and play dead.... beg -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
abd then graduated to an L16, all before I was 20.
hoary, when I was 20 I was a professional killer. you, at 20, were still trying to figure out why girls panties were smooth on the crotch. Wow! Professional mechanic instructor professional mechanic, not mechanic instructor. instructing people who don't understant is way too much work. at 14, starting at 12, not 14 hit man professional killer, not a hit man. at 20..... and now? still feeling frustrated trying to "instruct" a severe idiot in even the most simple of basics. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
JAXAshby wrote: hoary, it wasn't all chain. that beer keg was a *serious* buffer. Harry Krause Date: 9/28/2004 9:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Gene Kearns wrote: On 28 Sep 2004 00:38:15 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: You are trying to say that on LIS all chain rode anchors drag, but they also rip out deck cleats..... how can it do both? I don't know that LIS is known for whopper waves, which pretty much lowers your argument to improper scope, which you alluded to in a previous post... only to ignore your own words, since they disprove your position. My parents had a tiny summer cottage adjacent to Long Island Sound for more than 20 years, and I spent ALL of my summers while growing up in Connecticut, from June through Labor Day, there. During hurricanes, we'd get some interesting wind-generated waves, biggies, but not the monsters you see during the same storms on the Atlantic. We'd get a big storm surge, too. But most of the time, the Sound was pretty calm, or a little choppy. Nothing that I couldn't handle in the small boats my father gave me for summer use. And I mean small. There are some parts of the Connecticut side of the Sound where the shorelines are rocky and the rocks extend out some distance into the water. During extra low tides, we'd always see underwater structure revealed that we never knew was there. Then, as now, most boaters got along with a Danforth anchor, a short length of chain and...get this...manilla rodes. Yep...real rope, as God intended. I had a mooring out in the little cove in front of where we lived. It was a 100-pound mushroom in 20' of water attached to 80' 0f chain attached to a stainless steel beer barrel. We yanked the mooring at the end of each season, and back at my dad's shop, I'd clean off the chain and in the spring, recoat it with copper anti-foul. We used the SAME mooring for at least 20 years and even in hurricanes, it never dragged. Did I say it was all chain? Nope. My dad welded a heavy stainless steel rod through the keg, and then welded a stainless eye to each end of the rod. The only purpose of the keg was to float the chain and provide a place for me to snap a rope from the bow eye to the buoy. If there were enough eave action, wind or current, the chain would extend out. As the chain was connected to the bottom of the buoy via a rod that went through the top, it became, for all intents and purposes, part of the chain. Oh...stop top posting. -- We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah. What, me worry? |
hoary, the beer keg **********IN USE********* was a
------------------------------------------- serious ---------------------------------------------- buffer. I know that may be a tad hard for someone like you to understand, what with your utter lack of knowledge in physics and math, as you fully agreed was true in your extremely poor showing of just 625 on your math SAT, but just sit there and be quiet. The beer keg was one serious buffer, trust me on this one, hoary. hoary, it wasn't all chain. that beer keg was a *serious* buffer. Harry Krause Date: 9/28/2004 9:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Gene Kearns wrote: On 28 Sep 2004 00:38:15 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: You are trying to say that on LIS all chain rode anchors drag, but they also rip out deck cleats..... how can it do both? I don't know that LIS is known for whopper waves, which pretty much lowers your argument to improper scope, which you alluded to in a previous post... only to ignore your own words, since they disprove your position. My parents had a tiny summer cottage adjacent to Long Island Sound for more than 20 years, and I spent ALL of my summers while growing up in Connecticut, from June through Labor Day, there. During hurricanes, we'd get some interesting wind-generated waves, biggies, but not the monsters you see during the same storms on the Atlantic. We'd get a big storm surge, too. But most of the time, the Sound was pretty calm, or a little choppy. Nothing that I couldn't handle in the small boats my father gave me for summer use. And I mean small. There are some parts of the Connecticut side of the Sound where the shorelines are rocky and the rocks extend out some distance into the water. During extra low tides, we'd always see underwater structure revealed that we never knew was there. Then, as now, most boaters got along with a Danforth anchor, a short length of chain and...get this...manilla rodes. Yep...real rope, as God intended. I had a mooring out in the little cove in front of where we lived. It was a 100-pound mushroom in 20' of water attached to 80' 0f chain attached to a stainless steel beer barrel. We yanked the mooring at the end of each season, and back at my dad's shop, I'd clean off the chain and in the spring, recoat it with copper anti-foul. We used the SAME mooring for at least 20 years and even in hurricanes, it never dragged. Did I say it was all chain? Nope. My dad welded a heavy stainless steel rod through the keg, and then welded a stainless eye to each end of the rod. The only purpose of the keg was to float the chain and provide a place for me to snap a rope from the bow eye to the buoy. If there were enough eave action, wind or current, the chain would extend out. As the chain was connected to the bottom of the buoy via a rod that went through the top, it became, for all intents and purposes, part of the chain. Oh...stop top posting. -- We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah. What, me worry? |
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starting at 12, not 14
Hmmm, well you posted earlier that it was at 14 and you were training your buddy how to be an aviation mechanic? too much alcohol in ya junnie. I said 12, and it was 12. I said I taught him much of what he learned about engines before we graduated high school and he went on to get an A&E and I went on to study what I studied. |
and, you are too dumb to know how you did it.
genie, you are a pip. you just agreed with me, in total. ROFLMAO..... that is the most inelegant flip-flop I've ever seen..... Well, at least you finally admitted you were wrong...... that *is* the first step to recovery.... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
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"P.Fritz" wrote in message ...
"Steve Daniels" wrote in message ... On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:32:57 -0400, something compelled "P. Fritz" , to say: Adolescent name calling, such an intellectual rebuttal........... BTW no need to dream...... "JAXAshby" wrote in message The only people more stupid than Jax are those that engage him in "conversation". Come on.....it's sort of fun to make expose his stupidity.......just like doing it to asslicker :-) What a petty little boy you are. Third grade name calling and all. Certainly you are showing your intelligence, or lack thereof. |
Subject: Anchors are SUPPOSED to drag?
From: Wayne.B Did you use anchors to spring the boat away from the dock pilings? Boats rubbing against pilings, or worse yet, riding over a piling top, seem to be one of the main sources of damage for boats that did not break loose. Yes, that is done quite often. Capt. Bill |
junnie, do you read what you write? if so, why do you hit the "post" button?
you just got done saying that anchoring in 20 knots gusting to 30 involves no shock loads beyond what you can expect in 2 knots gusting to 3. what a duffus. hell, junnie, you didn't even score the miserable 625 in math that even hoary was embarrassed to write about. btw junnie, wanna tell us what you did score on you math SAT? "Gene Kearns" Date: 9/28/2004 2:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: On 28 Sep 2004 15:15:16 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: Please point to reference, at any time, to "steady winds with no waves." genie, *you* made the arguement that no shock loads were involved, therefore *you* argued the case of "steady winds with no waves." dummy. can't you understand your own posts? Clearly you have me mixed up with somebody else... or you just dreamed this position up. I never mentioned "steady winds" nor did I mention "no waves" nor did I imply in any way this was or would be the case. My point has always been that if shock loads are involved they are absorbed by a properly sized chain rode payed out over a proper scope. One doesn't have to position themselves at the end of a long bungee cord to prevent shock loading..... the link you posted to the formulae associated with catenaries proves it, as I posted the same link in support of my position. You now flip-flop again and try to argue both sides of the matter. What difference does it make, anyway? You have already pointed out that in your experience on LIS, the boats drifting at anchor were caused by improper rode.... not choice of material....unless you feel that one can use any length of rode successfully just by using a piece of rope instead of chain. Is that your new position? -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
genie, an Admiralty court doesn't adjudicate criminal cases.
Thank you for noting that little bit of obvious truth so, genie, wanna tell us why you stated otherwise? |
as a bit
of support, please post the statue requiring anything other than all chain rode.... the law of the land requires *you* to act as "a reasonable man" would (that is the legal definition used by the courts). no reasonable man would chain a boat to a dock. no reasonable man would chain a boat to a rock on shore. no reasonable man would chain his boat to a rock under water. therefore any reasonable man who chains his boat to an anchor underwater knews ahead of time the anchor will pull loose, and should his negligent actions injure someone the reasonable man knows he will go to jail. ask an attorney to explain to you what happens when you drive a car drunk (something no reasonable man does) and injure someone. you deserve to do hard jail time. |
btw, admiralty courts would be absolutely certain to understand the all
chain issue, for every last merchant marine out there understands it, and understands it well. No doubt.... ROFLMAO. Citations? Of course not. ask any merchant marine. |
Ok, for arguments sake, I'll stipulate the 12 YO...... what is it you
studied.... some science stuff. post High School??? yes, of course. Also studied some science stuff in high school (was a National Science Foundation Summer Fellow summer after my junior year), but studied rather a bit more science stuff after high school. Where did you graduate? A very big school. In fact, one of the largest in the country. Did you? of course. |
In article , Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 02:11:50 GMT, (Karl Denninger) wrote: During Ivan I was at a dock with a passel of lines spider-webbing my boat in place. Post-storm when I returned to the (safely tied up and undamaged) vessel my chafe gear on the lines that took the predominant load from the east winds was severely damaged. For chafe gear I use cut-up fire hose - arguably the toughest stuff around for that purpose. ============================================= Did you use anchors to spring the boat away from the dock pilings? Boats rubbing against pilings, or worse yet, riding over a piling top, seem to be one of the main sources of damage for boats that did not break loose. No. There was no point where I was - I was able to secure the boat away from the pilings, and if the surge had lifted the lines off, I was screwed anyway. Its all situational... sometimes you do one thing, sometimes something else, depending on where you are and which way you think the winds are going to come from..... (or multiple directions depending on what quadrant is going to "get" you) -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://divegearregistration.com REGISTER DIVE GEAR TO PROTECT AGAINST THEFT |
In article , JAXAshby wrote: For chafe gear I use cut-up fire hose - arguably the toughest stuff around for that purpose. even tougher is wormng, then parcelling with sailcloth then serving with Spectra fishing line. Put it inside the fire hose if you want a belts and suspenders approach. Use braided line instead of three-strand and you have less stretch through the chock, and you save the worming. Braided line should be used only as a safety line rolling hitched on to the three-strand, and braided doesn't stretch enough for max protection. Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal. -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind |
Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal.
karl, you missed a small point. braided line is used _only_ for the safety line taking all the load running through a chock, said braided line then rolling hitched on to the three-strand line you are using. you use braided line only for the parceled and served chafe protection because braided line stretches less from bitt to chock and there saws less over the chock. three-stand line is, of course, the line you use to soak up the shock from boat to dock in a storm, just as three-strand line is the line you use to soak up the shock from from boat to well-set anchor in a storm. you do set safety lines on your anchor lines when anchoring, right? |
JAXAshby wrote: btw, I joined Mensa in 1968, because I hoped to meet a belly dancer named "Morocco". Not even close to being an adequate reason. Come to think of it, there is NO good reason to do that. |
Can you tell me where the law is that prohibits an all chain rode?
any and every time it is used when it is dangerous, as "a reasonable man" would understand it. that means, little boy, under most conditions where the winds might get over 18 knots and someone might be hurt and/or property damaged by the boat of the negligent owner's stew ped actions. |
Can you cite *ANY* instance *EVER* where use of an all chain rode was
considered a criminal (or civil) offense? all-chain rode has been in use just few years, since baby-boomers started getting fat and too weak to lift anchors, and well-off financially due to housing price increases. prior to that (when 45 feet was considered waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaay too big for a cruiser to handle, and 35 feet was considered too big to handle except by athletic men), nylon rode with short chain and LARGE anchors were the norm. I still remember seeing pictures from years ago of the stew ped boat owner who chained his boat to his anchor (believing a steel-decked, steel boat was tough enough to handle anything) with it mooring bit ripped from the deck by wave action. getting fat, are ya junnie? |
btw, I joined Mensa in 1968, because I hoped to meet a belly dancer
named "Morocco". Not even close to being an adequate reason. Come to think of it, there is NO good reason to do that. heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey, I was young and foolish, and Rocky did indeed look exceptional fine. too bad I didn't know what her personality was like. Someone later told me she was lined up against a wall to be shot as a 4 year old by Nazi soldiers (she is Gypsy) only to be saved at the very last instant. I still didn't want to, and do not want to, ever be anywhere near her. I had my fill in less than 60 seconds. |
I don't think the courts have, yet, given you jurisdiction to decide
what "a reasonable man" was. "is", not "was", and it is the court's decision. wanna bet several years of your life on it? ask the clown in CT who killed a man in a fog, and seriously injured the man's adult son, and then claimed it was "an act of god" because he had his radar on. the clown -- in his sixties -- did jail time. |
In article , JAXAshby wrote: Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal. karl, you missed a small point. braided line is used _only_ for the safety line taking all the load running through a chock, said braided line then rolling hitched on to the three-strand line you are using. you use braided line only for the parceled and served chafe protection because braided line stretches less from bitt to chock and there saws less over the chock. three-stand line is, of course, the line you use to soak up the shock from boat to dock in a storm, just as three-strand line is the line you use to soak up the shock from from boat to well-set anchor in a storm. you do set safety lines on your anchor lines when anchoring, right? No, I didn't miss a small point. You missed a large point. Tying knots in line makes it weaker. -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind |
all-chain rode has been in use just few years...
Oh? Really?? in the context of this discussion, yes. |
Tell me, again, how this (1) has *anything* to do with an anchor
anchoring (or any other action) in such a way that "a reasonable man" would know might well injure others is in fact a crime. Has been for many centuries. don't argue with me, argue with the judge. and (2) how did *you* get jurisdiction to decide this matter? I didn't. reckless endangerment has been a crime for several centuries. tell it to the judge. |
"weaker" than a chaffed line?
btw karl-genius, just how much does rolling hitching a secondary line to a primary reduce the strength of the primary line? I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts (with backup, please) on this very issue, for when I researched it I could find not a single instance of scientific tests anywhere and/or even any wild-ass OPINION on the effect of a rolling hitch vis a vis strength of primary line ANYwhere. Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal. karl, you missed a small point. braided line is used _only_ for the safety line taking all the load running through a chock, said braided line then rolling hitched on to the three-strand line you are using. you use braided line only for the parceled and served chafe protection because braided line stretches less from bitt to chock and there saws less over the chock. three-stand line is, of course, the line you use to soak up the shock from boat to dock in a storm, just as three-strand line is the line you use to soak up the shock from from boat to well-set anchor in a storm. you do set safety lines on your anchor lines when anchoring, right? No, I didn't miss a small point. You missed a large point. Tying knots in line makes it weaker. -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind |
Don't you people have anything better to do then **** on each other's heads?
This thread has lasted longer than the Energizer bunny, if you're going to spend this much time busting balls in September what will it look like in December? |
Solve the chafe problem.
Don't create new ones - new places for failures. First rule of engineering - don't create more points of possible failure unless you MUST do so. -- Karl In article , JAXAshby wrote: "weaker" than a chaffed line? btw karl-genius, just how much does rolling hitching a secondary line to a primary reduce the strength of the primary line? I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts (with backup, please) on this very issue, for when I researched it I could find not a single instance of scientific tests anywhere and/or even any wild-ass OPINION on the effect of a rolling hitch vis a vis strength of primary line ANYwhere. Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal. karl, you missed a small point. braided line is used _only_ for the safety line taking all the load running through a chock, said braided line then rolling hitched on to the three-strand line you are using. you use braided line only for the parceled and served chafe protection because braided line stretches less from bitt to chock and there saws less over the chock. three-stand line is, of course, the line you use to soak up the shock from boat to dock in a storm, just as three-strand line is the line you use to soak up the shock from from boat to well-set anchor in a storm. you do set safety lines on your anchor lines when anchoring, right? No, I didn't miss a small point. You missed a large point. Tying knots in line makes it weaker. -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind |
okay, karl, have it your way. don't use a parceled on served with Spectra
safety line rolling hitched to your three-strand shock absorbing line. however, your statement that fire hose is the "arguably the finest chafe protection" available is still wrong. you see, a wormed, parceled and served (with Spectra) three-strand line is still MUCH more chafe-resistent than line wrapped with firehose and/or t-shirts **AND** you can still place it in fire house if you feel you need even more chafe protection. fire hose works, but "arguably" is it not the finest chafe protection available. better than a t-shirt for sure, but not hardly the best. Unless, of course, you feel firehose is tougher than Spectra. (keep in mind, karl, that in the past firehose was not considered even as good as serving with regular line, just easier.) Solve the chafe problem. Don't create new ones - new places for failures. First rule of engineering - don't create more points of possible failure unless you MUST do so. -- Karl In article , JAXAshby wrote: "weaker" than a chaffed line? btw karl-genius, just how much does rolling hitching a secondary line to a primary reduce the strength of the primary line? I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts (with backup, please) on this very issue, for when I researched it I could find not a single instance of scientific tests anywhere and/or even any wild-ass OPINION on the effect of a rolling hitch vis a vis strength of primary line ANYwhere. Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal. karl, you missed a small point. braided line is used _only_ for the safety line taking all the load running through a chock, said braided line then rolling hitched on to the three-strand line you are using. you use braided line only for the parceled and served chafe protection because braided line stretches less from bitt to chock and there saws less over the chock. three-stand line is, of course, the line you use to soak up the shock from boat to dock in a storm, just as three-strand line is the line you use to soak up the shock from from boat to well-set anchor in a storm. you do set safety lines on your anchor lines when anchoring, right? No, I didn't miss a small point. You missed a large point. Tying knots in line makes it weaker. -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind |
Sigh...
Spectra has its own problems - like being able to cut through other things, for one. I've yet to find a Spectra "tube" - I've seen them made out of nylon, but that's not really very useful. Chafe gear made out of a Kevlar or other "super fiber" that was available in a tube format would be useful - however, at this point, they're not typically available commercially. Fire hose is easily available, works, and solves the problem. No it won't survive for a month in these applications. It doesn't have to - it only has to survive the duration of the storm, after which you can discard it and cut another piece for the next one. -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind In article , JAXAshby wrote: okay, karl, have it your way. don't use a parceled on served with Spectra safety line rolling hitched to your three-strand shock absorbing line. however, your statement that fire hose is the "arguably the finest chafe protection" available is still wrong. you see, a wormed, parceled and served (with Spectra) three-strand line is still MUCH more chafe-resistent than line wrapped with firehose and/or t-shirts **AND** you can still place it in fire house if you feel you need even more chafe protection. fire hose works, but "arguably" is it not the finest chafe protection available. better than a t-shirt for sure, but not hardly the best. Unless, of course, you feel firehose is tougher than Spectra. (keep in mind, karl, that in the past firehose was not considered even as good as serving with regular line, just easier.) Solve the chafe problem. Don't create new ones - new places for failures. First rule of engineering - don't create more points of possible failure unless you MUST do so. -- Karl In article , JAXAshby wrote: "weaker" than a chaffed line? btw karl-genius, just how much does rolling hitching a secondary line to a primary reduce the strength of the primary line? I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts (with backup, please) on this very issue, for when I researched it I could find not a single instance of scientific tests anywhere and/or even any wild-ass OPINION on the effect of a rolling hitch vis a vis strength of primary line ANYwhere. Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal. karl, you missed a small point. braided line is used _only_ for the safety line taking all the load running through a chock, said braided line then rolling hitched on to the three-strand line you are using. you use braided line only for the parceled and served chafe protection because braided line stretches less from bitt to chock and there saws less over the chock. three-stand line is, of course, the line you use to soak up the shock from boat to dock in a storm, just as three-strand line is the line you use to soak up the shock from from boat to well-set anchor in a storm. you do set safety lines on your anchor lines when anchoring, right? No, I didn't miss a small point. You missed a large point. Tying knots in line makes it weaker. -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind |
Karl Denninger wrote:
Sigh... Spectra has its own problems - like being able to cut through other things, for one. I've yet to find a Spectra "tube" - I've seen them made out of nylon, but that's not really very useful. Chafe gear made out of a Kevlar or other "super fiber" that was available in a tube format would be useful - however, at this point, they're not typically available commercially. Fire hose is easily available, works, and solves the problem. No it won't survive for a month in these applications. It doesn't have to - it only has to survive the duration of the storm, after which you can discard it and cut another piece for the next one. -- Firehose is find. I've used firehose for anchor and dockline chafe protection for years...when the stuff shows wear, I toss it and use fresh. -- We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah. What, me worry? |
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