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karl, Spectra comes on spools and is sold in various sizes in fishing tackle
shops. I wouldn't worry too much about Spectra cutting through a metal chock in even an extended storm. If *you* are worried about that happening, use braided line to parcel and serve, because braided line had much less stretch, and you are using the braided line as a safety line, aren't you? besides, put the wormed, parceled, served with Spectra line inside the fire hose you recommend the line first has to "cut through" (your term) the fire hose ("arguably the finest chafe gear available" according to you) and THEN cut through the metal chock and THEN through the boat's deck and THEN through the boats hull to finally make the boat come free. If all that happens, karl, you just gotta figure when your number is up your number is up. God is just out to get ya, dood. |
I've yet to find a Spectra "tube" - I've seen them made out of
karl, can I ask you a question? do *you* know what worming, parcelling and serving means? Exactly? It's history goes back a long ways. If you want, I can explain it to you. just ask. |
Around 9/30/2004 6:53 AM, Gene Kearns wrote:
On 30 Sep 2004 00:32:38 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: all-chain rode has been in use just few years... Oh? Really?? http://home.comcast.net/~galmgren/ot...vid-Sghets.jpg Picture taken in the mid-1960s. All chain rode, both then and now. Not uncommon. Maybe he meant a few [score of] years? -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
sorry if English is confusing to you guys. the use of the term "in use just a
few just years" in the context in which it was used ***CLEARLY*** indicated "in ------------------ common ------------------ use just few years." geesh, are you really that dumb or are you just being assholes because you have nothing to contribute and you like being assholes? If you really do lack even ordinary intelligence you have no value in this or any other discussion and should start each post with a disclaimer saying such. On the other hand you have nothing to contribute and you like being assholes you also have no value in this or any other discussion and should begin each post with your name so the ng can ignore your posts immediately. nos pam, go away. Date: 10/3/2004 4:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Around 9/30/2004 6:53 AM, Gene Kearns wrote: On 30 Sep 2004 00:32:38 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: all-chain rode has been in use just few years... Oh? Really?? http://home.comcast.net/~galmgren/ot...vid-Sghets.jpg Picture taken in the mid-1960s. All chain rode, both then and now. Not uncommon. Maybe he meant a few [score of] years? -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
junnie, when you are an asshole -- and you, junnie, are a flagrant example --
you, junnie, can expect that people will point out your, junnie's, asshole behavior. you, junnie, have never contributed a single item of value to this ng at any point. you, junnie, lack the native mental candlepower to contribute anything of value, and you, junnie, use your asshole behavior to try to cover up your abject stupidity. go stand in the corner, junnie. adults are in a conversation. Date: 10/3/2004 10:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: On 03 Oct 2004 12:32:39 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: sorry if English is confusing to you guys. the use of the term "in use just a few just years" in the context in which it was used ***CLEARLY*** indicated "in ------------------ common ------------------ use just few years." geesh, are you really that dumb or are you just being assholes because you have nothing to contribute and you like being assholes? Another classic. Jax calling somebody an asshole. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
Around 10/3/2004 7:41 AM, Gene Kearns wrote:
On 03 Oct 2004 12:32:39 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: sorry if English is confusing to you guys. the use of the term "in use just a few just years" in the context in which it was used ***CLEARLY*** indicated "in ------------------ common ------------------ use just few years." geesh, are you really that dumb or are you just being assholes because you have nothing to contribute and you like being assholes? Another classic. Jax calling somebody an asshole. Wow, stating facts and offering some helpful speculation makes someone an asshole these days? I had no idea. Anyway, like I said, all chain rode has been in common use for decades. I suspect mainly because it holds so well. -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
Anyway, like I said, all chain rode has been in common use for decades.
I suspect mainly because it holds so well. a.) all chain rode only became popular on recreational boats when boat owner got old, fat and bought boats big enough to need need anchors over 20#, and b.) all chain doesn't hold very well at all in a blow. If you doubt that, check the anchorages during and after the next blow, see which boats dragged -- due to an "act of god", of course -- and which did not. then check to see how they anchored. NObody chains a boat to a dock or rock onshore. why would anyone chain a boat to a rock under the water? (ans: they don't. they fully expect their anchor to drag.) |
Wow, stating facts and offering some helpful speculation makes someone
an asshole these days? I had no idea. you still have no idea. junnnie has never once stated a fact correctly (even by accident) and his off-the-frickin-wall "speculations" came from reading comic books as an adult. junnie is almost as dumm as box-of-rocks jeffies, but jeffies has a wife to watch over him to fix a whole bunch of his particularly stupid mistakes. |
JAXAshby wrote: a.) all chain rode only became popular on recreational boats when boat owner got old, fat and bought boats big enough to need need anchors over 20#, and All chain rodes have been used and reasonably popular since long before you started going to boat shows. b.) all chain doesn't hold very well at all in a blow. If you doubt that, check the anchorages during and after the next blow, see which boats dragged -- due to an "act of god", of course -- and which did not. then check to see how they anchored. A "blanket" statement, you obviously can't back up with experience and show that you are unaware that there may be various causes for a boat dragging which have little to do with the all chain rode. otn |
otnmbrd wrote:
JAXAshby wrote: a.) all chain rode only became popular on recreational boats when boat owner got old, fat and bought boats big enough to need need anchors over 20#, and All chain rodes have been used and reasonably popular since long before you started going to boat shows. b.) all chain doesn't hold very well at all in a blow. If you doubt that, check the anchorages during and after the next blow, see which boats dragged -- due to an "act of god", of course -- and which did not. then check to see how they anchored. A "blanket" statement, you obviously can't back up with experience and show that you are unaware that there may be various causes for a boat dragging which have little to do with the all chain rode. otn JaxAss's boat doesn't have enough forward flotation to handle an all-chain rode. -- We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah. What, me worry? |
All chain rodes have been used and reasonably popular since long before
you started going to boat shows. My boatshow going experience goes back to the 1950's. All chain rodes didn't start to become popular until the later 1980's and didn't really hit stride until the mid 1990's. Some people did it long ago, but most of them lost their boats early on. |
A "blanket" statement, you obviously can't back up with experience and
show that you are unaware that there may be various causes for a boat dragging which have little to do with the all chain rode. actually, it comes from direct experience watching ****heads dragging down on me. |
JaxAss's boat doesn't have enough forward flotation to handle an
all-chain rode. 350# of chain and anchor in the bow of any boat harms the sailing capability of that boat in the same fashion as having 350# of rail meat standing on the bow. |
In article , JAXAshby wrote: All chain rodes have been used and reasonably popular since long before you started going to boat shows. My boatshow going experience goes back to the 1950's. All chain rodes didn't start to become popular until the later 1980's and didn't really hit stride until the mid 1990's. Some people did it long ago, but most of them lost their boats early on. Really? That would include all the ships that have all chain rodes, right? -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind |
karl, you of all people really should know the difference between a boat and a
ship. you should also know (I bet you do) that a ship at anchor is under constant positive watch and control. you should also know (I bet you do) that in a really bad approaching blow, ships head to sea away from the storm. From: (Karl Denninger) Date: 10/3/2004 7:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: et In article , JAXAshby wrote: All chain rodes have been used and reasonably popular since long before you started going to boat shows. My boatshow going experience goes back to the 1950's. All chain rodes didn't start to become popular until the later 1980's and didn't really hit stride until the mid 1990's. Some people did it long ago, but most of them lost their boats early on. Really? That would include all the ships that have all chain rodes, right? -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind |
Around 10/3/2004 3:50 PM, otnmbrd wrote:
JAXAshby wrote: a.) all chain rode only became popular on recreational boats when boat owner got old, fat and bought boats big enough to need need anchors over 20#, and All chain rodes have been used and reasonably popular since long before you started going to boat shows. b.) all chain doesn't hold very well at all in a blow. If you doubt that, I do doubt it, especially since you leave "a blow" undefined. Are we talking hurricane force? check the anchorages during and after the next blow, see which boats dragged -- due to an "act of god", of course -- and which did not. then check to see how they anchored. My guess as to how they anchored? One word: Improperly. Namely, not enough scope of *whatever* kind of rode. A "blanket" statement, you obviously can't back up with experience and show that you are unaware that there may be various causes for a boat dragging which have little to do with the all chain rode. I'm guessing that all this hypothetical dragging that Jax is talking about is either due to improper technique or poor bottom, and not what kind of rode someone chooses to use. Whatever. For the record, my boat has always had mixed rode. Anyone anchoring in a 14' open runabout during "a blow" would have to be nuts, regardless of what kind of rode they're using. -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
garth, a blow is 20 knots with waves. Under those conditions, an all-chain
rode will jerk the anchor from the bottom unless the boat owner put out a LOT of scope (more than a proper rode of some chain and a lot of nylon) and/or hung 50 or 100 pounds of dead weight in the middle of the rode. chain don't stretch, and when the winds pull the chain more or less tight, wind gusts can and do put HUGE loads on the anchor system, and jerking from wave actions as put orders of magnitude more load on the system. Like I said, NObody chains a boat to a dock or rock on shore. Why would anyone think they can chain a boat to a rock under the water? ans: they don't think so. they KNOW the anchor will drag. they are just too lazy to use anything but all chain in their electric windlass. From: Garth Almgren Date: 10/3/2004 7:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Around 10/3/2004 3:50 PM, otnmbrd wrote: JAXAshby wrote: a.) all chain rode only became popular on recreational boats when boat owner got old, fat and bought boats big enough to need need anchors over 20#, and All chain rodes have been used and reasonably popular since long before you started going to boat shows. b.) all chain doesn't hold very well at all in a blow. If you doubt that, I do doubt it, especially since you leave "a blow" undefined. Are we talking hurricane force? check the anchorages during and after the next blow, see which boats dragged -- due to an "act of god", of course -- and which did not. then check to see how they anchored. My guess as to how they anchored? One word: Improperly. Namely, not enough scope of *whatever* kind of rode. A "blanket" statement, you obviously can't back up with experience and show that you are unaware that there may be various causes for a boat dragging which have little to do with the all chain rode. I'm guessing that all this hypothetical dragging that Jax is talking about is either due to improper technique or poor bottom, and not what kind of rode someone chooses to use. Whatever. For the record, my boat has always had mixed rode. Anyone anchoring in a 14' open runabout during "a blow" would have to be nuts, regardless of what kind of rode they're using. -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
Of course I know the difference.
As for ships heading to sea to ride out a bad blow, that depends on if they can clearly get away from it or not, and exactly what kind and design of ship it is that we are talking about. My point stands - you won't find "ships" with rope being used for their rode, and if you think that ships have not sought refuge from storms in various harbors, you'd be wrong - many of them indeed do, sometimes successfully, sometimes not..... Many ships that have sought to ride out storms at sea have been unsuccessful in doing so. Indeed, some of our more interesting scuba diving is done on ships that have succumbed to the weather. All things being equal I will choose to move a vessel out of harms way. The issue becomes determining exactly which way I need to move, the speed said vessel can achieve, the port(s) along the intended route in the event that I am wrong about the path of said storm, and my computation (as skipper) of the risk of moving the vessel .vs. staying in my existing port. This is NOT a simple calculation, and it is NEVER free of risk. Hurricane Mitch got two ships that illustrate how you can be wrong with EITHER decision - one which went to sea to face the storm rather than being up against a lee shore in an uncertain harbor, and a second which reached what it thought was a safe harbor and, while at dock, broke loose in the storm. Both cases resulted in loss of both the vessel and life. Does that make the skipper's decision wrong in each case? Not necessarily. Mitch, as with many of these storms, did not go where people thought it would. By the time it was clear WHERE it was going, escape was cut off. Judging from the vessels that I have seen being put up in the "wrecked boats" salvage yard around here that were sunk by Ivan, I'll simply note that I've not yet seen one that appeared to have an all-chain rode in use. Ivan got a number of vessels around here due to simple bad luck. They went west from here thinking that this would put them on the west side of the storm, which is where you want to be if you have a choice. When it became clear that these skipper's decision was WRONG, and that they were now sitting right under where it was going to come in, they had to turn 180 and hightail it back east. Not all of them made it. Around here, getting caught on the east side of a storm with no safe place to run to is VERY possible; the "pocket" formed by the panhandle and peninsula is the absolute worst place in the world to get caught in a serious blow as it is quite shallow and yet has no safe harbor available from Appalachicola east to Steinhatchee - with many vessels unable to get into Steinhatchee due to draft constraints. Florida has a number of places where such errors in track can be relatively minor in terms of degrees of diversion yet have profound consquences. The Panhandle is one, and the west coast is another, given the usual path of approach of storms in both areas. I was in some ways lucky and in others it was fortunate that I did not make a decision to run early - if I had I would have probably gone west as did virtually everyone else, and given the maximum speed of my vessel I would have been forced to attempt to secure her where she almost certainly would not have survived. In this case my late decision to move - which was only partially "voluntary" - turned out to be the saving grace, as I was able to determine that EAST was the only possible direction I could run under the circumstances. It turned out to be a good call; she's undamaged, where many others with skippers that have many, many years of experience beyond mine are total losses. -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind In article , JAXAshby wrote: karl, you of all people really should know the difference between a boat and a ship. you should also know (I bet you do) that a ship at anchor is under constant positive watch and control. you should also know (I bet you do) that in a really bad approaching blow, ships head to sea away from the storm. From: (Karl Denninger) Date: 10/3/2004 7:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: et In article , JAXAshby wrote: All chain rodes have been used and reasonably popular since long before you started going to boat shows. My boatshow going experience goes back to the 1950's. All chain rodes didn't start to become popular until the later 1980's and didn't really hit stride until the mid 1990's. Some people did it long ago, but most of them lost their boats early on. Really? That would include all the ships that have all chain rodes, right? -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind |
In article , Garth Almgren wrote: Whatever. For the record, my boat has always had mixed rode. Anyone anchoring in a 14' open runabout during "a blow" would have to be nuts, regardless of what kind of rode they're using. A neighbor of mine anchored an 18' open runabout during a "blow" a couple of years ago. He sunk it four times in three days of singificant wind/wave action; it was quite funny watching him bail it with a 5-gallon paint bucket (the only reason this was possible is that the water in which it sunk wasn't deep enough to allow it to go completely under) in his boxers.... :) -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind |
In article ,
JAXAshby wrote: garth, a blow is 20 knots with waves. Under those conditions, an all-chain rode will jerk the anchor from the bottom unless the boat owner put out a LOT of scope (more than a proper rode of some chain and a lot of nylon) and/or hung 50 or 100 pounds of dead weight in the middle of the rode. chain don't stretch, and when the winds pull the chain more or less tight, wind gusts can and do put HUGE loads on the anchor system, and jerking from wave actions as put orders of magnitude more load on the system. Like I said, NObody chains a boat to a dock or rock on shore. Why would anyone think they can chain a boat to a rock under the water? ans: they don't think so. they KNOW the anchor will drag. they are just too lazy to use anything but all chain in their electric windlass. 20 knots is not "a blow", especially not if you are behind any kind of protection in terms of where you are anchoring (e.g. behind a barrier island, in some kind of protected waterway, etc.) Those are reasonably stiff operational conditions around here, but are definitely not "a blow". -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind |
Of course I know the difference.
so, why did you bring anchoring ships up in a discussion of anchoring boats? As for ships heading to sea to ride out a bad blow, that depends on if they can clearly get away from it or not, and exactly what kind and design of ship it is that we are talking about. My point stands - you won't find "ships" with rope being used for their rode, and if you think that ships have not sought refuge from storms in various harbors, you'd be wrong - many of them indeed do, sometimes successfully, sometimes not..... Many ships that have sought to ride out storms at sea have been unsuccessful in doing so. Indeed, some of our more interesting scuba diving is done on ships that have succumbed to the weather. All things being equal I will choose to move a vessel out of harms way. The issue becomes determining exactly which way I need to move, the speed said vessel can achieve, the port(s) along the intended route in the event that I am wrong about the path of said storm, and my computation (as skipper) of the risk of moving the vessel .vs. staying in my existing port. This is NOT a simple calculation, and it is NEVER free of risk. Hurricane Mitch got two ships that illustrate how you can be wrong with EITHER decision - one which went to sea to face the storm rather than being up against a lee shore in an uncertain harbor, and a second which reached what it thought was a safe harbor and, while at dock, broke loose in the storm. Both cases resulted in loss of both the vessel and life. Does that make the skipper's decision wrong in each case? Not necessarily. Mitch, as with many of these storms, did not go where people thought it would. By the time it was clear WHERE it was going, escape was cut off. Judging from the vessels that I have seen being put up in the "wrecked boats" salvage yard around here that were sunk by Ivan, I'll simply note that I've not yet seen one that appeared to have an all-chain rode in use. Ivan got a number of vessels around here due to simple bad luck. They went west from here thinking that this would put them on the west side of the storm, which is where you want to be if you have a choice. When it became clear that these skipper's decision was WRONG, and that they were now sitting right under where it was going to come in, they had to turn 180 and hightail it back east. Not all of them made it. Around here, getting caught on the east side of a storm with no safe place to run to is VERY possible; the "pocket" formed by the panhandle and peninsula is the absolute worst place in the world to get caught in a serious blow as it is quite shallow and yet has no safe harbor available from Appalachicola east to Steinhatchee - with many vessels unable to get into Steinhatchee due to draft constraints. Florida has a number of places where such errors in track can be relatively minor in terms of degrees of diversion yet have profound consquences. The Panhandle is one, and the west coast is another, given the usual path of approach of storms in both areas. I was in some ways lucky and in others it was fortunate that I did not make a decision to run early - if I had I would have probably gone west as did virtually everyone else, and given the maximum speed of my vessel I would have been forced to attempt to secure her where she almost certainly would not have survived. In this case my late decision to move - which was only partially "voluntary" - turned out to be the saving grace, as I was able to determine that EAST was the only possible direction I could run under the circumstances. It turned out to be a good call; she's undamaged, where many others with skippers that have many, many years of experience beyond mine are total losses. -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind In article , JAXAshby wrote: karl, you of all people really should know the difference between a boat and a ship. you should also know (I bet you do) that a ship at anchor is under constant positive watch and control. you should also know (I bet you do) that in a really bad approaching blow, ships head to sea away from the storm. From: (Karl Denninger) Date: 10/3/2004 7:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: et In article , JAXAshby wrote: All chain rodes have been used and reasonably popular since long before you started going to boat shows. My boatshow going experience goes back to the 1950's. All chain rodes didn't start to become popular until the later 1980's and didn't really hit stride until the mid 1990's. Some people did it long ago, but most of them lost their boats early on. Really? That would include all the ships that have all chain rodes, right? -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind |
20 knots is not "a blow"
it is if you are on all chain, and there is any wave action. especially not if you are behind any kind of protection in terms of where you are anchoring (e.g. behind a barrier island, in some kind of protected waterway, etc.) Those are reasonably stiff operational conditions around here, but are definitely not "a blow". -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind |
Around 10/3/2004 5:24 PM, Karl Denninger wrote:
In article , JAXAshby wrote: garth, a blow is 20 knots with waves. Under those conditions, an all-chain rode will jerk the anchor from the bottom unless the boat owner put out a LOT of scope (more than a proper rode of some chain and a lot of nylon) and/or hung 50 or 100 pounds of dead weight in the middle of the rode. The nice thing with chain is that the rode *itself* is dead weight. You can use less scope with an all chain rode than with a mixed or pure nylon rode. chain don't stretch, and when the winds pull the chain more or less tight, Which won't happen, unless A) you don't have enough scope or B) there is a _lot_ of freakin' wind. Do you have /any/ idea how much wind force would be required to pull any appropriate scope of chain *straight*?? wind gusts can and do put HUGE loads on the anchor system, and jerking from wave actions as put orders of magnitude more load on the system. Like I said, NObody chains a boat to a dock or rock on shore. Why are you comparing an anchor to a dock or rock on shore? Why would anyone think they can chain a boat to a rock under the water? Why are you comparing an anchor to a rock under the water? ans: they don't think so. they KNOW the anchor will drag. Drag, probably not. Reset, yes. An anchor isn't this immovable object you seem to think it is. they are just too lazy to use anything but all chain in their electric windlass. It's not a matter of laziness. All chain has several advantages over all nylon, not the least of which is chafe resistance and weight. 20 knots is not "a blow", especially not if you are behind any kind of protection in terms of where you are anchoring (e.g. behind a barrier island, in some kind of protected waterway, etc.) Those are reasonably stiff operational conditions around here, but are definitely not "a blow". I've been out in 20 knot winds (not by choice), but I sure wouldn't want to anchor in them! :) -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
JAXAshby wrote: All chain rodes have been used and reasonably popular since long before you started going to boat shows. My boatshow going experience goes back to the 1950's. All chain rodes didn't start to become popular until the later 1980's and didn't really hit stride until the mid 1990's. Some people did it long ago, but most of them lost their boats early on. Sorry, Doodles. My 26' sloop had it in the 60's and I knew many others with the same. None that I know of had any problems when properly employed. otn |
JAXAshby wrote: A "blanket" statement, you obviously can't back up with experience and show that you are unaware that there may be various causes for a boat dragging which have little to do with the all chain rode. actually, it comes from direct experience watching ****heads dragging down on me. So ..... In other words, YOU have NO experience using "all" chain, just some experience watching others with the same little experience, screw up...... and from this typical, scanty information you make a "Doodles" assumption. otn |
JAXAshby wrote: JaxAss's boat doesn't have enough forward flotation to handle an all-chain rode. 350# of chain and anchor in the bow of any boat harms the sailing capability of that boat in the same fashion as having 350# of rail meat standing on the bow. More Doodles assumptions based on scanty information. |
The nice thing with chain is that the rode *itself* is dead weight. You
can use less scope with an all chain rode than with a mixed or pure nylon rode. chain don't stretch, and when the winds pull the chain more or less tight, Which won't happen, unless A) you don't have enough scope or B) there is a _lot_ of freakin' wind. Do you have /any/ idea how much wind force would be required to pull any appropriate scope of chain *straight*?? wind gusts can and do put HUGE loads on the anchor system, and jerking from wave actions as put orders of magnitude more load on the system. Like I said, NObody chains a boat to a dock or rock on shore. Why are you comparing an anchor to a dock or rock on shore? Why would anyone think they can chain a boat to a rock under the water? Why are you comparing an anchor to a rock under the water? ans: they don't think so. they KNOW the anchor will drag. Drag, probably not. Reset, yes. An anchor isn't this immovable object you seem to think it is. they are just too lazy to use anything but all chain in their electric windlass. It's not a matter of laziness. All chain has several advantages over all nylon, not the least of which is chafe resistance and weight. 20 knots is not "a blow", especially not if you are behind any kind of protection in terms of where you are anchoring (e.g. behind a barrier island, in some kind of protected waterway, etc.) Those are reasonably stiff operational conditions around here, but are definitely not "a blow". I've been out in 20 knot winds (not by choice), but I sure wouldn't want to anchor in them! :) -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
The nice thing with chain is that the rode *itself* is dead weight. You
can use less scope with an all chain rode than with a mixed or pure nylon rode. bull****. what an abjectly stupid thing to post. dumb cluck, have you ANY idea what an anchor is? go back to study hall, little boy. lunch hour isn't for 40 or 50 minutes from now. |
Which won't happen, unless A) you don't have enough scope or B) there is
a _lot_ of freakin' wind. yeah. a _lot_ of freakin' wind. maybe 20 knots, idgit. |
Do you have /any/ idea how much wind force would be required to pull any
appropriate scope of chain *straight*?? yes, **I** do. **I** also know how much force it takes to pull an all chain rode from 18 knots to 20 knots. do you? |
Do you have /any/ idea how much wind force would be required to pull any
appropriate scope of chain *straight*?? obviously you don't, or you wouldn't ask such a stupid question. |
Do you have /any/ idea how much wind force would be required to pull any
appropriate scope of chain *straight*?? yes. but obviously you don't. not even close. go google, little boy. google, and try to catch up with the high school boys, dumb cluck. |
Why are you comparing an anchor to a rock under the water?
wtf???????????????????????????? are **********************you*********************** thinking when **********************************you************* **************************** claim anchor is not **************************supposed**************** *********************** to move? have you any idea what the the word anchor means? |
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but they were abjectly stew ped clucks .... did it long ago, but most of them lost their boats early on. Sorry, Doodles. My 26' sloop had it in the 60's and I knew many others with the same. None that I know of had any problems when properly employed. 'nuf said. |
So ..... In other words, YOU have NO experience using "all" chain,
are you ****ing kidding me? I also have no experience with suicide, but I ain't also a dumb **** in that either. just some experience watching others with the same little experience, screw up...... and from this typical, scanty information you make a "Doodles" assumption. otn |
350# of chain and anchor in the bow of any boat harms the sailing
capability of that boat in the same fashion as having 350# of rail meat standing on the bow. More Doodles assumptions based on scanty information. huh? 350# of anchor/chain on the bow is different -- in terms of boat performance -- from 350# of rail meat on the bow just how?????????????? |
JAXAshby wrote: karl, you of all people really should know the difference between a boat and a ship. you should also know (I bet you do) that a ship at anchor is under constant positive watch and control. you should also know (I bet you do) that in a really bad approaching blow, ships head to sea away from the storm. Doodles, you obviously know less about ships than you do boats. Suggest you stick to being wrong about boats. otn |
I've been out in 20 knot winds (not by choice), but I sure wouldn't want
to anchor in them! :) Oh, My GOD, garth!!!! two zero nots of wind, and you are frickin ang cored!!!! |
JAXAshby wrote: .... did it long ago, but most of them lost their boats early on. Sorry, Doodles. My 26' sloop had it in the 60's and I knew many others with the same. None that I know of had any problems when properly employed. 'nuf said. Exactly...... In your case it's obvious you don't know how to use "all chain" |
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