Can you cite *ANY* instance *EVER* where use of an all chain rode was
considered a criminal (or civil) offense?


all-chain rode has been in use just few years, since baby-boomers started
getting fat and too weak to lift anchors, and well-off financially due to
housing price increases. prior to that (when 45 feet was considered
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaay too big for a cruiser
to handle, and 35 feet was considered too big to handle except by athletic
men), nylon rode with short chain and LARGE anchors were the norm.

I still remember seeing pictures from years ago of the stew ped boat owner who
chained his boat to his anchor (believing a steel-decked, steel boat was tough
enough to handle anything) with it mooring bit ripped from the deck by wave
action.

getting fat, are ya junnie?

I don't think the courts have, yet, given you jurisdiction to decide
what "a reasonable man" was.

"is", not "was", and it is the court's decision.

wanna bet several years of your life on it?

ask the clown in CT who killed a man in a fog, and seriously injured the man's
adult son, and then claimed it was "an act of god" because he had his radar on.
the clown -- in his sixties -- did jail time.

all-chain rode has been in use just few years...


Oh? Really??

in the context of this discussion, yes.

Tell me, again, how this (1) has *anything* to do with an anchor

anchoring (or any other action) in such a way that "a reasonable man" would
know might well injure others is in fact a crime. Has been for many centuries.
don't argue with me, argue with the judge.

and
(2) how did *you* get jurisdiction to decide this matter?


I didn't. reckless endangerment has been a crime for several centuries. tell
it to the judge.

junnie, I posted this very information in, I believe, my very first post in
this thread.

keep up, Forrest.

Gene Kearns
Date: 10/2/2004 12:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 02 Oct 2004 03:36:59 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

I've yet to find a Spectra "tube" - I've seen them made out of

karl, can I ask you a question? do *you* know what worming, parcelling and
serving means? Exactly? It's history goes back a long ways. If you want,
I
can explain it to you. just ask.

Karl, two things occur to me.

1) For the first time, ever, Jax has offered supporting data. Please
encourage this behavior.

2) He's probably old enough to have been there when they actually
defined these terms... he might actually know the correct answer, for
a change!

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

junnie, when you are an asshole -- and you, junnie, are a flagrant example --
you, junnie, can expect that people will point out your, junnie's, asshole
behavior.

you, junnie, have never contributed a single item of value to this ng at any
point. you, junnie, lack the native mental candlepower to contribute anything
of value, and you, junnie, use your asshole behavior to try to cover up your
abject stupidity.

go stand in the corner, junnie. adults are in a conversation.


Date: 10/3/2004 10:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 03 Oct 2004 12:32:39 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

sorry if English is confusing to you guys. the use of the term "in use just
a
few just years" in the context in which it was used ***CLEARLY*** indicated
"in
------------------ common ------------------ use just few years."

geesh, are you really that dumb or are you just being assholes because you
have
nothing to contribute and you like being assholes?


Another classic. Jax calling somebody an asshole.

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

ain't it nice that now junnie is saying OSHA doesn't know what it is talking
about? junnie did say that (post below) but he is too dumb to realize it.

"Gene Kearns"
Date: 10/4/2004 2:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:07:38 -0700, Garth Almgren
wrote:

On 10/3/2004 7:02 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

The nice thing with chain is that the rode *itself* is dead weight. You
can use less scope with an all chain rode than with a mixed or pure
nylon rode.


bull****.

Nope, that's the plain truth. On my honor as an Eagle Scout.

what an abjectly stupid thing to post.

Let's try a simple little experiment: Find yourself a length of chain,
say about 6'.
You *do* know what chain looks like, right? (Hint: A series of links,
usually of made out of metal)

OK. Lift a couple links off the ground, and notice that it feels fairly
light.
Now, lift about half the chain off the ground. A bit heavier, isn't it?
Now, lift the whole thing off the ground. Pretty darn heavy, isn't it?


I tried the same logic with him, but it didn't work.... Something
like, pull a 100' rope tight, pretty easy, huh? ... Now try and pull a
100' 5/16 chain tight, pretty impossible, huh? Get it?


He didn't get it.... he never does and he never will, because his mind
is made up. Using laboratory grade special circumstances, it has
nothing to do with anything but shock loading caused by specious
g-forces caused by even more specious accelerations.

Jax has some fetish associated with shock absorption, and G-loading.
We have periodically witnessed this with his rantings on all chain
rodes and tethers that will jerk an unhappy sailor in half when his
sailboat is simply pooped. http://tinyurl.com/66bt8

Throw in the concept of "reasonable and prudent," a smidgen of some
partially digested high school physics, and Jax's ability to
infallibly predict the future and the result is some really strange
science.

It is a catenary, but doesn't *act* like a catenary when it doesn't
prove "the point."

It is an anchor (by definition) and is an infinitely immovable point.
(One can, with a 20,000# boat strain the rode with 40,000# of pull and
not dislodge this "anchor".)

A rode can withstand a 40,000# pull (your choice, rope or chain).

An anchor's holding capacity has nothing to do with the angle of pull
from horizontal.

A boat doesn't yaw at anchor and when it does it has nothing to do
with the ability of an anchor to hold.

Chain rode must use greater score than rope (note the catenary problem
re-emerges.. in spite of anchor manufacturer's recommendations).

....Just to name a few....
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Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

junnie -- giggling as a beer-besotted village idiot -- hacked out that
following after 44 tries:

Oh, how sweet. Jax has a champion. Did he give you his lace hankie?

what a sorry piece of dog sung you are junnie.

because, junnie, you contributed not a thing of value. as expected.

"Gene Kearns"
Date: 10/5/2004 10:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:45:42 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:17:35 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


How is this crap in any way better than the OT political crap you complain
about Kearns?


Oh, how sweet. Jax has a champion. Did he give you his lace hankie?
--


I am not a fan of Jax nor believe most of what he posts.

I offered a simple question to you because you complain about OT posts. You

could not offer a reasonable reply so you insult me. As expected.


Last I checked, this thread was about anchors, catenaries, chain....
that sort of thing.....

... at least until Jax got insulting and demeaning.

Why did you single me out for correction and ignore his posts?

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

junnie, you fumb duck, this thread if about
about anchors, catenaries, chain....
that sort of thing.....

because I started the thread, pointing out how fumb ducks such ase you
endanger others' lives with your irresponsible actions.

so, junnie you now claim "anchors, catenaries, chain... that sort of thing" is

insulting and demeaning.

that, junnie, is as much as you are capable of contributing "about anchors,
catenaries, chain....that sort of thing....."