I don't think the courts have, yet, given you jurisdiction to decide
what "a reasonable man" was.

"is", not "was", and it is the court's decision.

wanna bet several years of your life on it?

ask the clown in CT who killed a man in a fog, and seriously injured the man's
adult son, and then claimed it was "an act of god" because he had his radar on.
the clown -- in his sixties -- did jail time.

In article ,
JAXAshby wrote:


Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal.

karl, you missed a small point. braided line is used _only_ for the safety
line taking all the load running through a chock, said braided line then
rolling hitched on to the three-strand line you are using.

you use braided line only for the parceled and served chafe protection because
braided line stretches less from bitt to chock and there saws less over the
chock.

three-stand line is, of course, the line you use to soak up the shock from boat
to dock in a storm, just as three-strand line is the line you use to soak up
the shock from from boat to well-set anchor in a storm.

you do set safety lines on your anchor lines when anchoring, right?

No, I didn't miss a small point.

You missed a large point. Tying knots in line makes it weaker.

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all-chain rode has been in use just few years...


Oh? Really??

in the context of this discussion, yes.

Tell me, again, how this (1) has *anything* to do with an anchor

anchoring (or any other action) in such a way that "a reasonable man" would
know might well injure others is in fact a crime. Has been for many centuries.
don't argue with me, argue with the judge.

and
(2) how did *you* get jurisdiction to decide this matter?


I didn't. reckless endangerment has been a crime for several centuries. tell
it to the judge.

"weaker" than a chaffed line?

btw karl-genius, just how much does rolling hitching a secondary line to a
primary reduce the strength of the primary line?

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts (with backup, please) on this very
issue, for when I researched it I could find not a single instance of
scientific tests anywhere and/or even any wild-ass OPINION on the effect of a
rolling hitch vis a vis strength of primary line ANYwhere.

Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal.

karl, you missed a small point. braided line is used _only_ for the safety
line taking all the load running through a chock, said braided line then
rolling hitched on to the three-strand line you are using.

you use braided line only for the parceled and served chafe protection
because
braided line stretches less from bitt to chock and there saws less over the
chock.

three-stand line is, of course, the line you use to soak up the shock from
boat
to dock in a storm, just as three-strand line is the line you use to soak up
the shock from from boat to well-set anchor in a storm.

you do set safety lines on your anchor lines when anchoring, right?

No, I didn't miss a small point.

You missed a large point. Tying knots in line makes it weaker.

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Don't you people have anything better to do then **** on each other's heads?
This thread has lasted longer than the Energizer bunny, if you're going
to spend this much time busting balls in September what will it look
like in December?

Solve the chafe problem.

Don't create new ones - new places for failures.

First rule of engineering - don't create more points of possible failure
unless you MUST do so.

-- Karl

In article ,
JAXAshby wrote:


"weaker" than a chaffed line?

btw karl-genius, just how much does rolling hitching a secondary line to a
primary reduce the strength of the primary line?

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts (with backup, please) on this very
issue, for when I researched it I could find not a single instance of
scientific tests anywhere and/or even any wild-ass OPINION on the effect of a
rolling hitch vis a vis strength of primary line ANYwhere.

Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal.

karl, you missed a small point. braided line is used _only_ for the safety
line taking all the load running through a chock, said braided line then
rolling hitched on to the three-strand line you are using.

you use braided line only for the parceled and served chafe protection
because
braided line stretches less from bitt to chock and there saws less over the
chock.

three-stand line is, of course, the line you use to soak up the shock from
boat
to dock in a storm, just as three-strand line is the line you use to soak up
the shock from from boat to well-set anchor in a storm.

you do set safety lines on your anchor lines when anchoring, right?

No, I didn't miss a small point.

You missed a large point. Tying knots in line makes it weaker.

--
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okay, karl, have it your way. don't use a parceled on served with Spectra
safety line rolling hitched to your three-strand shock absorbing line.

however, your statement that fire hose is the "arguably the finest chafe
protection" available is still wrong.

you see, a wormed, parceled and served (with Spectra) three-strand line is
still MUCH more chafe-resistent than line wrapped with firehose and/or t-shirts
**AND** you can still place it in fire house if you feel you need even more
chafe protection.

fire hose works, but "arguably" is it not the finest chafe protection
available. better than a t-shirt for sure, but not hardly the best. Unless,
of course, you feel firehose is tougher than Spectra. (keep in mind, karl,
that in the past firehose was not considered even as good as serving with
regular line, just easier.)

Solve the chafe problem.

Don't create new ones - new places for failures.

First rule of engineering - don't create more points of possible failure
unless you MUST do so.

-- Karl

In article ,
JAXAshby wrote:


"weaker" than a chaffed line?

btw karl-genius, just how much does rolling hitching a secondary line to a
primary reduce the strength of the primary line?

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts (with backup, please) on this
very
issue, for when I researched it I could find not a single instance of
scientific tests anywhere and/or even any wild-ass OPINION on the effect of
a
rolling hitch vis a vis strength of primary line ANYwhere.

Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal.

karl, you missed a small point. braided line is used _only_ for the
safety
line taking all the load running through a chock, said braided line then
rolling hitched on to the three-strand line you are using.

you use braided line only for the parceled and served chafe protection
because
braided line stretches less from bitt to chock and there saws less over
the
chock.

three-stand line is, of course, the line you use to soak up the shock from
boat
to dock in a storm, just as three-strand line is the line you use to soak
up
the shock from from boat to well-set anchor in a storm.

you do set safety lines on your anchor lines when anchoring, right?

No, I didn't miss a small point.

You missed a large point. Tying knots in line makes it weaker.

--
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Sigh...

Spectra has its own problems - like being able to cut through other things,
for one.

I've yet to find a Spectra "tube" - I've seen them made out of nylon, but
that's not really very useful. Chafe gear made out of a Kevlar or other
"super fiber" that was available in a tube format would be useful - however,
at this point, they're not typically available commercially.

Fire hose is easily available, works, and solves the problem. No it won't
survive for a month in these applications. It doesn't have to - it only has
to survive the duration of the storm, after which you can discard it and cut
another piece for the next one.

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In article ,
JAXAshby wrote:

okay, karl, have it your way. don't use a parceled on served with Spectra
safety line rolling hitched to your three-strand shock absorbing line.

however, your statement that fire hose is the "arguably the finest chafe
protection" available is still wrong.

you see, a wormed, parceled and served (with Spectra) three-strand line is
still MUCH more chafe-resistent than line wrapped with firehose and/or t-shirts
**AND** you can still place it in fire house if you feel you need even more
chafe protection.

fire hose works, but "arguably" is it not the finest chafe protection
available. better than a t-shirt for sure, but not hardly the best. Unless,
of course, you feel firehose is tougher than Spectra. (keep in mind, karl,
that in the past firehose was not considered even as good as serving with
regular line, just easier.)

Solve the chafe problem.

Don't create new ones - new places for failures.

First rule of engineering - don't create more points of possible failure
unless you MUST do so.

-- Karl

In article ,
JAXAshby wrote:


"weaker" than a chaffed line?

btw karl-genius, just how much does rolling hitching a secondary line to a
primary reduce the strength of the primary line?

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts (with backup, please) on this
very
issue, for when I researched it I could find not a single instance of
scientific tests anywhere and/or even any wild-ass OPINION on the effect of
a
rolling hitch vis a vis strength of primary line ANYwhere.

Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal.

karl, you missed a small point. braided line is used _only_ for the
safety
line taking all the load running through a chock, said braided line then
rolling hitched on to the three-strand line you are using.

you use braided line only for the parceled and served chafe protection
because
braided line stretches less from bitt to chock and there saws less over
the
chock.

three-stand line is, of course, the line you use to soak up the shock from
boat
to dock in a storm, just as three-strand line is the line you use to soak
up
the shock from from boat to well-set anchor in a storm.

you do set safety lines on your anchor lines when anchoring, right?

No, I didn't miss a small point.

You missed a large point. Tying knots in line makes it weaker.

--
--
Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights
Activist
http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do!
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DIVING!
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Karl Denninger wrote:
Sigh...

Spectra has its own problems - like being able to cut through other things,
for one.

I've yet to find a Spectra "tube" - I've seen them made out of nylon, but
that's not really very useful. Chafe gear made out of a Kevlar or other
"super fiber" that was available in a tube format would be useful - however,
at this point, they're not typically available commercially.

Fire hose is easily available, works, and solves the problem. No it won't
survive for a month in these applications. It doesn't have to - it only has
to survive the duration of the storm, after which you can discard it and cut
another piece for the next one.

--


Firehose is find. I've used firehose for anchor and dockline chafe
protection for years...when the stuff shows wear, I toss it and use fresh.


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them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?