Sure it was the CG and not the Aux, or maybe Sheriff Dept.
Must have been a slow and boring day for someone.

Doug Kanter wrote:
I need to whine a little.

Yesterday, I was returning from fishing on Lake Ontario in my 14' nookular
powered aluminum yacht. It was a typical Sunday on Irondequoit Bay: Large
boats driven by nitwits were travelling at top speed through clearly marked
no-wake zones, throwing enormous wakes down the aisles of docked boats at
the marina near the inlet, and making it dicey for boats at the nearby
launch.

In the midst of all this madness, I was spotted by the Coast Guard and
deemed to be a clear threat to homeland security. I was pulled over for a
safety check. I was cited for not having my registration, a distress flag
and a fire extinguisher. They were correct on the first two issues, but
based on their own rules and those of NY State, I'm not required to have a
fire extinguisher. Actually, I bought one when I first got the boat, but
found that there wasn't a good place to mount the thing except for right
next to the (portable) gas tank, which didn't make much sense considering
how the probability is close to 100% that a fire would start there.

I have 7 days to have a boarding officer look at the boat again, or pay a
fine and forfeit my son and my lawnmower. This inspection will be based on
opinion and interpretation, so I'm looking for votes from the peanut
gallery, even though this may be a futile effort. The boat has 3 aluminum
bench seats which do NOT have storage underneath. They're sealed and filled
with floatation material. There are no storage lockers of any kind, and the
hull is one layer - no bilge, no floor of any kind.

NY State says I'm exempt from the extinguisher requirement:
- Outboards less than 26' and of open construction

The Coast Guard's site says I must have an extinguisher if any of these
conditions are met:

a.. Inboard engines are installed.

b.. There are closed compartments and compartments under seats where
portable fuel tanks may be stored.
c.. There are double bottoms not sealed to the hull or which are not
completely filled with flotation materials.
d.. There are closed living spaces.
e.. There are closed stowage compartments in which combustible or
flammable materials are stored.
f.. There are permanently installed fuel tanks. (Fuel tanks secured so
they cannot be moved in case of fire or other emergency are considered
permanently installed. There are no gallon capacity limits to determine if a
fuel tank is portable. If the weight of a fuel tank is such that persons on
board cannot move it, the Coast Guard considers it permanently installed.)
Help me waste my time arguing with the Coast Guard. :-) That last rule
sounds silly for my situation. First of all, I can left my 6 gallon tank
with my toe. But, even so, if the engine/tank area (aft of the rear bench
seat) went up in flames, how likely is it that I'd try to lift the tank and
throw it overboard??? Excluding that, the most likely fire hazard I can
imagine is if a salmon made a fast run and my reel built up a lot of heat.

I'm done whining.

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Sure it was the CG and not the Aux, or maybe Sheriff Dept.
Must have been a slow and boring day for someone.

Definitely Coast Guard. Says so on the boarding report. And, nobody else
around here has the interesting new boats that the CG uses. They were the
subject of a news article in the sports/boating section of the local paper.
They've got a v-hull with a huge styrofoam surround, sort of like a pontoon
boat. Just spoke to another boarding officer on the phone. After he got done
explaining that I shouldn't have been cited for the extinguisher, I asked
him how the boats are on Lake Ontario chop. He said "Anything more than a 3
ft chop and it makes you wanna **** blood at the end of the day". :-)

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:02:12 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Sure it was the CG and not the Aux, or maybe Sheriff Dept.
Must have been a slow and boring day for someone.

Definitely Coast Guard. Says so on the boarding report. And, nobody else
around here has the interesting new boats that the CG uses. They were the
subject of a news article in the sports/boating section of the local paper.
They've got a v-hull with a huge styrofoam surround, sort of like a pontoon
boat. Just spoke to another boarding officer on the phone. After he got done
explaining that I shouldn't have been cited for the extinguisher, I asked
him how the boats are on Lake Ontario chop. He said "Anything more than a 3
ft chop and it makes you wanna **** blood at the end of the day". :-)

And the Lord said "Go and sin no more". :)

I rode in one of those this summer after my "incident" in the St
Lawrence Seaway. They've got cushioned air ride seats for the
Quartermaster and the crew.

But after all day, who knows.

Later,

Tom

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:02:12 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Sure it was the CG and not the Aux, or maybe Sheriff Dept.
Must have been a slow and boring day for someone.

Definitely Coast Guard. Says so on the boarding report. And, nobody else
around here has the interesting new boats that the CG uses. They were the
subject of a news article in the sports/boating section of the local
paper.
They've got a v-hull with a huge styrofoam surround, sort of like a
pontoon
boat. Just spoke to another boarding officer on the phone. After he got
done
explaining that I shouldn't have been cited for the extinguisher, I asked
him how the boats are on Lake Ontario chop. He said "Anything more than a
3
ft chop and it makes you wanna **** blood at the end of the day". :-)

And the Lord said "Go and sin no more". :)

I rode in one of those this summer after my "incident" in the St
Lawrence Seaway. They've got cushioned air ride seats for the
Quartermaster and the crew.

But after all day, who knows.


What "incident"???

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:12:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:02:12 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Sure it was the CG and not the Aux, or maybe Sheriff Dept.
Must have been a slow and boring day for someone.

Definitely Coast Guard. Says so on the boarding report. And, nobody else
around here has the interesting new boats that the CG uses. They were the
subject of a news article in the sports/boating section of the local
paper.
They've got a v-hull with a huge styrofoam surround, sort of like a
pontoon
boat. Just spoke to another boarding officer on the phone. After he got
done
explaining that I shouldn't have been cited for the extinguisher, I asked
him how the boats are on Lake Ontario chop. He said "Anything more than a
3
ft chop and it makes you wanna **** blood at the end of the day". :-)

And the Lord said "Go and sin no more". :)

I rode in one of those this summer after my "incident" in the St
Lawrence Seaway. They've got cushioned air ride seats for the
Quartermaster and the crew.

But after all day, who knows.

What "incident"???

Um.....well, this happened, that happened and over the side I went.

Eventually to be pulled out by the USCG.

Thus the ride back to the dock because I wouldn't set foot in that
guides boat ever again.

Take care.

Tom

"The beatings will stop when morale improves."
E. Teach, 1717

In article ,
Doug Kanter wrote:


"Jim" wrote in message
...
Sure it was the CG and not the Aux, or maybe Sheriff Dept.
Must have been a slow and boring day for someone.

Definitely Coast Guard. Says so on the boarding report. And, nobody else
around here has the interesting new boats that the CG uses. They were the
subject of a news article in the sports/boating section of the local paper.
They've got a v-hull with a huge styrofoam surround, sort of like a pontoon
boat. Just spoke to another boarding officer on the phone. After he got done
explaining that I shouldn't have been cited for the extinguisher, I asked
him how the boats are on Lake Ontario chop. He said "Anything more than a 3
ft chop and it makes you wanna **** blood at the end of the day". :-)

The USCG has had those boats around here for a while.

They're quite fast and extremely stable - but they definitely do NOT look
comfortable going out the inlet with any kind of wave action!

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heres the official word from NY
http://nysparks.state.ny.us/boats/equip/



Visual Distress Signals


State law requires all mechanically propelled vessels 16 feet in length or
greater to carry the number and type of visual distress signals as required
by the U.S. Coast Guard while operating onfederal waters. Flares or other
pyrotechnic devices must be US Coast Guard approved. New flares generally
have a three year service life, and the ones you carry must not be past
their expiration date. Never use road flares on your boat; they produce hot
slag which can drip and burn either you or your vessel.

Powerboats less than 16 feet and sailboats less than 26 feet only need to
carry visual distress signals when operating at night. Since the state has
some jurisdiction in these areas, it is recommended that all vessels sixteen
feet or greater in length carry at least three USCG approved hand held
day/night flares at all times.



In the past State Law required boaters to carry a flourescent flag for
daytime use. This requirement no longer applies if the vessel is equipped
with other sufficient daytime signals, such as day/night flares.









Fire Extinguishers

Requirements for Mechanically Propelled Vessels:

a.. Outboards Less Than 26' and of Open Construction - Exempt


b.. Less Than 26' - One (1) USCG Approved Type B-1 Extinguisher


c.. 26' to 40' - Two (2) USCG Approved Type B-1 Extinguishers


d.. 40' to 65' - Three (3) USCG Approved Type B-1 Extinguishers


e.. On any vessel, a type B-II extinguisher may be substituted for two
type B-1 extinguishers.


f.. Vessels equipped with approved fixed extinguishing systems may carry
one less B-1 extinguisher.
g..
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:46:39 GMT, Jim wrote:

Sure it was the CG and not the Aux, or maybe Sheriff Dept.
Must have been a slow and boring day for someone.


the aux can't stop boats and can't issue citations. it is prohibited,
by law, from having any law enforcement authority.
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:27:58 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

I need to whine a little.



In the midst of all this madness, I was spotted by the Coast Guard and
deemed to be a clear threat to homeland security. I was pulled over for a
safety check.

anybody see the contradiction here?

he wasn't stopped for security, as he admits. he was stopped for a
safety check. and that is part of the CG's mission. if you disagree
with it, get the law changed. don't complain about the CG. they're
just doing their job.
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 05:24:16 GMT, (Bob) wrote:

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:27:58 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

I need to whine a little.



In the midst of all this madness, I was spotted by the Coast Guard and
deemed to be a clear threat to homeland security. I was pulled over for a
safety check.

anybody see the contradiction here?

he wasn't stopped for security, as he admits. he was stopped for a
safety check. and that is part of the CG's mission. if you disagree
with it, get the law changed. don't complain about the CG. they're
just doing their job.

Don't get up in arms - there was lot of tongue-in-cheek in that post.

I think everybody agrees that the USCG goes a great job.

Later,

Tom
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