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DALLAS (AP) - Former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes said he is ``more
ashamed at myself than I've ever been'' because he helped President Bush
and
the sons of other wealthy families get into the Texas National Guard so
they
could avoid serving in Vietnam.

How convenient that Barnes has suddenly discovered his conscience in time
for an election year. I wonder if the aide to former Senator Fulbright is
ashamed for getting a deferment for our country's 42nd President?

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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:18:51 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:38:32 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


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DALLAS (AP) - Former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes said he is ``more
ashamed at myself than I've ever been'' because he helped President Bush
and
the sons of other wealthy families get into the Texas National Guard so
they
could avoid serving in Vietnam.

So if I were somebody who could have joined the National Guard to
avoid combat status does that make me smart or stupid, brave or
cowardly?

I suppose that would depend on whether you showed up for duty.

It would depend on whether you used some sort of special family
connections to
jump to the head of a waiting list of 100,000, thereby in effect sending
someone
else to the jungles of Southeast Asia in your place.

It would depend on whether you adhered to all the requirements of your
job--including showing up for the flight physical.

Of course, if you were, in fact, abusing certain recreational alkoloids
that
might show up in a tox screen, you certainly would want to avail yourself
of
your Fifth Amendment right protecting you from self-incrimination.


Despite all of those allegations, and several stories appearing in the
Washington Post, LA Times, and NY Times alluding to those claims, it still
has never been proven that Clinton did any of that.

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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:24:11 -0700, jps wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:26:53 -0700, jps wrote:

In article ,
says...

If I had been a constituent of this individual and had the necessary
influence, how would you view the use of that influence to jump over
the list to join the National Guard in order to avoid possible
combat.

You should consider your blessings and make the most of the
opportunity.
You certainly should not bring shame on yourself or those who used
their
influence for such an extreme favor, especially knowing that you had
bumped someone off who was likely more deserving of the position.

Interesting.

How would you describe one person as being "more deserving" than
another in being bumped up the list?

They're more likely to have come by the opportunity honestly.

Allow me to rephrase.

What is the difference between being deserving or not deserving of the
use of political influence to obtain any given result.



It's just like the issue of money. To a liberal, the only people who deserve
it are the ones who don't have it.

So, let me answer for jps:
"The only people who deserve the use of political influence are those people
who have none."

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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:38:32 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


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DALLAS (AP) - Former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes said he is ``more
ashamed at myself than I've ever been'' because he helped President
Bush and
the sons of other wealthy families get into the Texas National Guard so
they
could avoid serving in Vietnam.

So if I were somebody who could have joined the National Guard to
avoid combat status does that make me smart or stupid, brave or
cowardly?

Just curious.

Later,

Tom

In the case of GWB, and other well to do people of Texas, in this
case, it would make you privledged.

You didn't have to be from Texas to be priviledged enough to be granted a
deferment from the military. You could have been from...oh...say...Arkansas.
And your uncle could have been a well-connected individual with a line to
the ear of someone at Senator Fulbright's office. That'd make you
priviledged, too, don't you think?

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DALLAS (AP) - Former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes said he is ``more
ashamed at myself than I've ever been'' because he helped President
Bush and
the sons of other wealthy families get into the Texas National Guard
so they
could avoid serving in Vietnam.

So if I were somebody who could have joined the National Guard to
avoid combat status does that make me smart or stupid, brave or
cowardly?

In the case of GWB, and other well to do people of Texas, in this
case, it would make you privledged.

What if it were your son and you could get him out of Vietnam this
way?

One can only hope that basskisser isn't allowed to procreate. If he is,
it's just proof that God *does* have a sense of humor.

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http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...q=/ff/story/00
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DALLAS (AP) - Former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes said he is ``more
ashamed at myself than I've ever been'' because he helped President
Bush and
the sons of other wealthy families get into the Texas National Guard
so they
could avoid serving in Vietnam.

So if I were somebody who could have joined the National Guard to
avoid combat status does that make me smart or stupid, brave or
cowardly?

In the case of GWB, and other well to do people of Texas, in this
case, it would make you privledged.

What if it were your son and you could get him out of Vietnam this
way?

One can only hope that basskisser isn't allowed to procreate. If he is,
it's just proof that God *does* have a sense of humor.

Personal insults just show that you can't disagree with what I've stated.

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DALLAS (AP) - Former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes said he is
``more
ashamed at myself than I've ever been'' because he helped President
Bush and
the sons of other wealthy families get into the Texas National
Guard
so they
could avoid serving in Vietnam.

So if I were somebody who could have joined the National Guard to
avoid combat status does that make me smart or stupid, brave or
cowardly?

In the case of GWB, and other well to do people of Texas, in this
case, it would make you privledged.

What if it were your son and you could get him out of Vietnam this
way?

One can only hope that basskisser isn't allowed to procreate. If he is,
it's just proof that God *does* have a sense of humor.

Personal insults just show that you can't disagree with what I've stated.

LMAO!!!!!!!!! This coming from the king of personal insults.

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http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...q=/ff/story/00
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DALLAS (AP) - Former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes said he is
``more
ashamed at myself than I've ever been'' because he helped
President
Bush and
the sons of other wealthy families get into the Texas National
Guard
so they
could avoid serving in Vietnam.

So if I were somebody who could have joined the National Guard to
avoid combat status does that make me smart or stupid, brave or
cowardly?

In the case of GWB, and other well to do people of Texas, in this
case, it would make you privledged.

What if it were your son and you could get him out of Vietnam this
way?

One can only hope that basskisser isn't allowed to procreate. If he
is,
it's just proof that God *does* have a sense of humor.

Personal insults just show that you can't disagree with what I've
stated.

LMAO!!!!!!!!! This coming from the king of personal insults.

Yep.....typical of the socialist lefties.......they whine about others doing
the same thing they do........LMAO too

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DALLAS (AP) - Former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes said he is
``more
ashamed at myself than I've ever been'' because he helped President
Bush and
the sons of other wealthy families get into the Texas National
Guard
so they
could avoid serving in Vietnam.

So if I were somebody who could have joined the National Guard to
avoid combat status does that make me smart or stupid, brave or
cowardly?

In the case of GWB, and other well to do people of Texas, in this
case, it would make you privledged.

What if it were your son and you could get him out of Vietnam this
way?

One can only hope that basskisser isn't allowed to procreate. If he is,
it's just proof that God *does* have a sense of humor.

Personal insults just show that you can't disagree with what I've stated.

LMAO!!!!!!!!! This coming from the king of personal insults.

So, are you trying to say that you DON'T insult others here? Are you
also, then, saying that you don't LIE about others here, and spew
allegations about others, and present those, no matter how far fetched
as truth? Do you need me to give you some examples of any of the
above?

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http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...q=/ff/story/00
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DALLAS (AP) - Former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes said he is
``more
ashamed at myself than I've ever been'' because he helped
President
Bush and
the sons of other wealthy families get into the Texas National
Guard
so they
could avoid serving in Vietnam.

So if I were somebody who could have joined the National Guard to
avoid combat status does that make me smart or stupid, brave or
cowardly?

In the case of GWB, and other well to do people of Texas, in this
case, it would make you privledged.

What if it were your son and you could get him out of Vietnam this
way?

One can only hope that basskisser isn't allowed to procreate. If he
is,
it's just proof that God *does* have a sense of humor.

Personal insults just show that you can't disagree with what I've
stated.

LMAO!!!!!!!!! This coming from the king of personal insults.

Yep.....typical of the socialist lefties.......they whine about others doing
the same thing they do........LMAO too

Where did I whine, you ignorant putz? I simply stated a fact.