AC, you lying sack of squat. knock it off. you are a moral miscreant
deliberating trying to harm people. go pull the wings off flies. better yet,
go pull a fake gun on a cop at night.

You don't seem to understand how the lower bowel works. Try researching it,
and you will understand.

The part of the bowel before the anus re-hydrates the body through
re-absorbtion. It does this by several means to which "JAXAshby", for one -
would not even have a clue.


"Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message
et...
The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than
the
body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body.
Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in the
loops of Henle)

--
Dennis Gibbons
dkgibbons at optonline dot net


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST AS
DANGEROUS as drinking seawater.

Idiot. geesus kriste!!

From: "AC"
Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting
in
it.

Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using
seawater
enemas have been reported.


"KimDalkin" wrote in message
...
I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales".

In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea
water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He
describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely.

I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The
density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If
severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water
would
pass through the skin back into the body.

Does reverse osmosis occur?
If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of
watching the boards shrink?

Kim

ac, you lying sack of squat KNOCK IT OFF!! go pull a fake gun on a cop at
night.

Osmosis (even if it did apply internally-human such as this) is not a simple
salt-water system, nor is that analysis applicable in this case.


"Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message
et...
The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than
the
body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body.
Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in the
loops of Henle)

--
Dennis Gibbons
dkgibbons at optonline dot net


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST AS
DANGEROUS as drinking seawater.

Idiot. geesus kriste!!

From: "AC"
Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting
in
it.

Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using
seawater
enemas have been reported.


"KimDalkin" wrote in message
...
I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales".

In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea
water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He
describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely.

I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The
density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If
severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water
would
pass through the skin back into the body.

Does reverse osmosis occur?
If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of
watching the boards shrink?

Kim

Actually we just got through that section here in Nursing School.

The lower bowel ( the colon) does absorb excess water from food. However,
it is not by some magic process. There are not little guys in there pumping
water through the colon wall. It is by passive osmosis only. By definition
osmosis moves water from an area of lesser solute concentration to one of
greater concentration. Since sea water has a higher gradient of salt, water
would go in that direction no matter which end of the alimentary canal you
were using.
Clear enough?

--
Dennis Gibbons
dkgibbons at optonline dot net
"AC" wrote in message
...
You don't seem to understand how the lower bowel works. Try researching
it,
and you will understand.

The part of the bowel before the anus re-hydrates the body through
re-absorbtion. It does this by several means to which "JAXAshby", for
one -
would not even have a clue.


"Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message
t...
The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than
the
body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body.
Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in
the
loops of Henle)

--
Dennis Gibbons
dkgibbons at optonline dot net


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST
AS
DANGEROUS as drinking seawater.

Idiot. geesus kriste!!

From: "AC"
Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than
sitting
in
it.

Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using
seawater
enemas have been reported.


"KimDalkin" wrote in message
...
I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales".

In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in
sea
water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He
describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it
entirely.

I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible.
The
density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water.
If
severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water
would
pass through the skin back into the body.

Does reverse osmosis occur?
If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead
of
watching the boards shrink?

Kim

Good grief! Maybe you two should set out together on a field trip offshore
and prove the point to each other. All the rude behavior isn't convincing me
of anything.

In all likelihood, none of us here will need to prove or dis-prove this
mental minutia anyway!


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ignore AC and every last thing he says or has ever said. He is lost to
this
universe. A lying sack of squat with no morals at all. He purposely
trying to
hurt people with his stew ped pronouncment that the tissues of the rectum
are
capable of filtering the salt from sal****er as compared to the tissues of
the
stomach lining which can not.

Ignore AC and everything he says. he is a dilberate miscreant.

Perhaps you would like to quote the sources. For instance "The
administration of water by enema was probably a great help in speedily
alleviating the dehydration suffered by us in times of drought. While we
used water that was unpalatable, it was not undrinkable. I had wondered
if
it would be possible to use sea water in this way, but Lyn had strongly
advised against it. Sea water taken by enema would cause as much damage
as
if it was taken by mouth." Dougal Robertson, 'Survive the Savage Sea'.
Since
he brought himself, his wife, three children and a family friend through
37
days adrift in a dinghy, his comments need to be taken seriously.
--

"AC" wrote in message
...
You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting
in
it.

Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using
seawater
enemas have been reported.

dan, pay attention. the issue was deal with two days ago.

From: "Dan"
Date: 8/30/2004 1:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Good grief! Maybe you two should set out together on a field trip offshore
and prove the point to each other. All the rude behavior isn't convincing me
of anything.

In all likelihood, none of us here will need to prove or dis-prove this
mental minutia anyway!


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ignore AC and every last thing he says or has ever said. He is lost to
this
universe. A lying sack of squat with no morals at all. He purposely
trying to
hurt people with his stew ped pronouncment that the tissues of the rectum
are
capable of filtering the salt from sal****er as compared to the tissues of
the
stomach lining which can not.

Ignore AC and everything he says. he is a dilberate miscreant.

Perhaps you would like to quote the sources. For instance "The
administration of water by enema was probably a great help in speedily
alleviating the dehydration suffered by us in times of drought. While we
used water that was unpalatable, it was not undrinkable. I had wondered
if
it would be possible to use sea water in this way, but Lyn had strongly
advised against it. Sea water taken by enema would cause as much damage
as
if it was taken by mouth." Dougal Robertson, 'Survive the Savage Sea'.
Since
he brought himself, his wife, three children and a family friend through
37
days adrift in a dinghy, his comments need to be taken seriously.
--

"AC" wrote in message
...
You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting
in
it.

Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using
seawater
enemas have been reported.

Kinda crusty aren't ya? I simply tried to add a little humor to a rather
harsh series of exchanges. Besides, waiting over the weekend is not unusual
as a pause between volleys. Lighten up. (c;


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
dan, pay attention. the issue was deal with two days ago.

From: "Dan"
Date: 8/30/2004 1:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Good grief! Maybe you two should set out together on a field trip
offshore
and prove the point to each other. All the rude behavior isn't convincing
me
of anything.

In all likelihood, none of us here will need to prove or dis-prove this
mental minutia anyway!


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ignore AC and every last thing he says or has ever said. He is lost to
this
universe. A lying sack of squat with no morals at all. He purposely
trying to
hurt people with his stew ped pronouncment that the tissues of the
rectum
are
capable of filtering the salt from sal****er as compared to the tissues
of
the
stomach lining which can not.

Ignore AC and everything he says. he is a dilberate miscreant.

Perhaps you would like to quote the sources. For instance "The
administration of water by enema was probably a great help in speedily
alleviating the dehydration suffered by us in times of drought. While
we
used water that was unpalatable, it was not undrinkable. I had
wondered
if
it would be possible to use sea water in this way, but Lyn had
strongly
advised against it. Sea water taken by enema would cause as much
damage
as
if it was taken by mouth." Dougal Robertson, 'Survive the Savage Sea'.
Since
he brought himself, his wife, three children and a family friend
through
37
days adrift in a dinghy, his comments need to be taken seriously.
--

"AC" wrote in message
...
You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than
sitting
in
it.

Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using
seawater
enemas have been reported.

sorry, I missed the humor in suggesting I go offhosre with a malecious
reprobate like AC. that dood is dangerous, though most likely he would cower
in a corner.

Kinda crusty aren't ya? I simply tried to add a little humor to a rather
harsh series of exchanges. Besides, waiting over the weekend is not unusual
as a pause between volleys. Lighten up. (c;


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
dan, pay attention. the issue was deal with two days ago.

From: "Dan"
Date: 8/30/2004 1:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Good grief! Maybe you two should set out together on a field trip
offshore
and prove the point to each other. All the rude behavior isn't convincing
me
of anything.

In all likelihood, none of us here will need to prove or dis-prove this
mental minutia anyway!


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ignore AC and every last thing he says or has ever said. He is lost to
this
universe. A lying sack of squat with no morals at all. He purposely
trying to
hurt people with his stew ped pronouncment that the tissues of the
rectum
are
capable of filtering the salt from sal****er as compared to the tissues
of
the
stomach lining which can not.

Ignore AC and everything he says. he is a dilberate miscreant.

Perhaps you would like to quote the sources. For instance "The
administration of water by enema was probably a great help in speedily
alleviating the dehydration suffered by us in times of drought. While
we
used water that was unpalatable, it was not undrinkable. I had
wondered
if
it would be possible to use sea water in this way, but Lyn had
strongly
advised against it. Sea water taken by enema would cause as much
damage
as
if it was taken by mouth." Dougal Robertson, 'Survive the Savage Sea'.
Since
he brought himself, his wife, three children and a family friend
through
37
days adrift in a dinghy, his comments need to be taken seriously.
--

"AC" wrote in message
...
You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than
sitting
in
it.

Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using
seawater
enemas have been reported.

Well put, however, everyone here seems to have misunderstood my expression
"BETTER OFF". What part of that is not clear??? You can analyse my post
using one petty minutiae after another, or you can address the reply in the
context in which it was given.

I simply made the comparison between sitting in the water, and taking it
internally.

From "Survival at sea"
Drinking sea water

Everybody who has accidentally swallowed a bit of sea water knows that
drinking a glass of it isn't possible. Drinking sea water is dangerous and
will result kidney failure. This is what everybody thought until Dr. Bombard
proved that people could survive on sea water (we are talking about staying
alive, not healthy). Many experts still disagree with Bombard's theory, but
the fact that he has survived 63 days on drifting raft without any other
food and water than what the ocean could provide him gives a lot of credit
to his research on sea survival. Bombard doesn't disregard the danger of
drinking sea water. During his testing periods he got sick when he tried to
drink more than 32oz of sea water per day for more than five days. After
numerous tests and various castaway experimentation (drifting at sea for
weeks), he came to the conclusion that people could safely drink sea water
in quantities not exceeding 32oz per day. Safely here doesn't imply healthy,
it is rather the maximum amount of sea water a man could drink without
experiencing major health complication or life threatening conditions. Of
course all his tests were limited on himself (although many other people
like the crew of La Balsa expedition and the Incas themselves were known to
regularly drink sea water). If you must drink sea water, follow Dr. Bombard
's advice.

32oz. per day, for 63 days. Not poison, not recommended also, but a much
longer survival than simply doing nothing.

IMHO, It's always better to rely on empirical evidence, than simply work on
non systemic body system theory...

Oh yeah, Jaxashby - don't bother replying to any of my posts, since you
aren't achieving your objective any longer, and more than adequately proven
your ignorance to many people.


"Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message
et...
Actually we just got through that section here in Nursing School.

The lower bowel ( the colon) does absorb excess water from food. However,
it is not by some magic process. There are not little guys in there
pumping
water through the colon wall. It is by passive osmosis only. By
definition
osmosis moves water from an area of lesser solute concentration to one of
greater concentration. Since sea water has a higher gradient of salt,
water
would go in that direction no matter which end of the alimentary canal you
were using.
Clear enough?

--
Dennis Gibbons
dkgibbons at optonline dot net
"AC" wrote in message
...
You don't seem to understand how the lower bowel works. Try researching
it,
and you will understand.

The part of the bowel before the anus re-hydrates the body through
re-absorbtion. It does this by several means to which "JAXAshby", for
one -
would not even have a clue.


"Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message
t...
The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration
than
the
body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body.
Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in
the
loops of Henle)

--
Dennis Gibbons
dkgibbons at optonline dot net


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is
JUST
AS
DANGEROUS as drinking seawater.

Idiot. geesus kriste!!

From: "AC"
Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than
sitting
in
it.

Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using
seawater
enemas have been reported.


"KimDalkin" wrote in message
...
I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales".

In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in
sea
water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water.
He
describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it
entirely.

I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible.
The
density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water.
If
severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water
would
pass through the skin back into the body.

Does reverse osmosis occur?
If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead
of
watching the boards shrink?

Kim

this is my last posting on this thread.
Perhaps we are seeing natural selection at work. anyone who makes a
decision of such consequence as drinking sea water based upon opinions
gathered from an unmoderated news group, may not be needed in the gene pool.
Dennis Gibbons
dkgibbons at optonline dot net
"AC" wrote in message
...
Well put, however, everyone here seems to have misunderstood my expression
"BETTER OFF". What part of that is not clear??? You can analyse my post
using one petty minutiae after another, or you can address the reply in
the
context in which it was given.

I simply made the comparison between sitting in the water, and taking it
internally.

From "Survival at sea"
Drinking sea water

Everybody who has accidentally swallowed a bit of sea water knows that
drinking a glass of it isn't possible. Drinking sea water is dangerous and
will result kidney failure. This is what everybody thought until Dr.
Bombard
proved that people could survive on sea water (we are talking about
staying
alive, not healthy). Many experts still disagree with Bombard's theory,
but
the fact that he has survived 63 days on drifting raft without any other
food and water than what the ocean could provide him gives a lot of credit
to his research on sea survival. Bombard doesn't disregard the danger of
drinking sea water. During his testing periods he got sick when he tried
to
drink more than 32oz of sea water per day for more than five days. After
numerous tests and various castaway experimentation (drifting at sea for
weeks), he came to the conclusion that people could safely drink sea water
in quantities not exceeding 32oz per day. Safely here doesn't imply
healthy,
it is rather the maximum amount of sea water a man could drink without
experiencing major health complication or life threatening conditions. Of
course all his tests were limited on himself (although many other people
like the crew of La Balsa expedition and the Incas themselves were known
to
regularly drink sea water). If you must drink sea water, follow Dr.
Bombard
's advice.

32oz. per day, for 63 days. Not poison, not recommended also, but a much
longer survival than simply doing nothing.

IMHO, It's always better to rely on empirical evidence, than simply work
on
non systemic body system theory...

Oh yeah, Jaxashby - don't bother replying to any of my posts, since you
aren't achieving your objective any longer, and more than adequately
proven
your ignorance to many people.


"Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message
et...
Actually we just got through that section here in Nursing School.

The lower bowel ( the colon) does absorb excess water from food.
However,
it is not by some magic process. There are not little guys in there
pumping
water through the colon wall. It is by passive osmosis only. By
definition
osmosis moves water from an area of lesser solute concentration to one
of
greater concentration. Since sea water has a higher gradient of salt,
water
would go in that direction no matter which end of the alimentary canal
you
were using.
Clear enough?

--
Dennis Gibbons
dkgibbons at optonline dot net
"AC" wrote in message
...
You don't seem to understand how the lower bowel works. Try
researching
it,
and you will understand.

The part of the bowel before the anus re-hydrates the body through
re-absorbtion. It does this by several means to which "JAXAshby", for
one -
would not even have a clue.


"Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message
t...
The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration
than
the
body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the
body.
Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication
in
the
loops of Henle)

--
Dennis Gibbons
dkgibbons at optonline dot net


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is
JUST
AS
DANGEROUS as drinking seawater.

Idiot. geesus kriste!!

From: "AC"
Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than
sitting
in
it.

Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using
seawater
enemas have been reported.


"KimDalkin" wrote in message
...
I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales".

In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting
in
sea
water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking
water.
He
describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it
entirely.

I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its
pluasible.
The
density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea
water.
If
severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and
water
would
pass through the skin back into the body.

Does reverse osmosis occur?
If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea,
instead
of
watching the boards shrink?

Kim

"Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message
. net...
this is my last posting on this thread.

So what?

Perhaps we are seeing natural selection at work. anyone who makes a
decision of such consequence as drinking sea water based upon opinions
gathered from an unmoderated news group, may not be needed in the gene
pool.


You "replied" to my post, but didn't refute it in any sensible, nor logical
way. The post was probably a waste of your obviously far more informed
talent.

If you used more than your nursing textbook to approach the problem, you
would understand that the principle is far from "cut & dry". In fact, if you
are studying to be a nurse, you will already know that medicine is an
unexact science, and is full of contradictory claims & practices.

When someone ignores solid empirical evidence & several examples both in
survival instances, and throughout history, then perhaps THEY will support
Darwin through their ignorance one day...


Dennis Gibbons
dkgibbons at optonline dot net
"AC" wrote in message
...
Well put, however, everyone here seems to have misunderstood my
expression
"BETTER OFF". What part of that is not clear??? You can analyse my post
using one petty minutiae after another, or you can address the reply in
the
context in which it was given.

I simply made the comparison between sitting in the water, and taking it
internally.

From "Survival at sea"
Drinking sea water

Everybody who has accidentally swallowed a bit of sea water knows that
drinking a glass of it isn't possible. Drinking sea water is dangerous
and
will result kidney failure. This is what everybody thought until Dr.
Bombard
proved that people could survive on sea water (we are talking about
staying
alive, not healthy). Many experts still disagree with Bombard's theory,
but
the fact that he has survived 63 days on drifting raft without any other
food and water than what the ocean could provide him gives a lot of
credit
to his research on sea survival. Bombard doesn't disregard the danger of
drinking sea water. During his testing periods he got sick when he tried
to
drink more than 32oz of sea water per day for more than five days. After
numerous tests and various castaway experimentation (drifting at sea for
weeks), he came to the conclusion that people could safely drink sea
water
in quantities not exceeding 32oz per day. Safely here doesn't imply
healthy,
it is rather the maximum amount of sea water a man could drink without
experiencing major health complication or life threatening conditions.
Of
course all his tests were limited on himself (although many other people
like the crew of La Balsa expedition and the Incas themselves were known
to
regularly drink sea water). If you must drink sea water, follow Dr.
Bombard
's advice.

32oz. per day, for 63 days. Not poison, not recommended also, but a much
longer survival than simply doing nothing.

IMHO, It's always better to rely on empirical evidence, than simply work
on
non systemic body system theory...

Oh yeah, Jaxashby - don't bother replying to any of my posts, since you
aren't achieving your objective any longer, and more than adequately
proven
your ignorance to many people.


"Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message
et...
Actually we just got through that section here in Nursing School.

The lower bowel ( the colon) does absorb excess water from food.
However,
it is not by some magic process. There are not little guys in there
pumping
water through the colon wall. It is by passive osmosis only. By
definition
osmosis moves water from an area of lesser solute concentration to one
of
greater concentration. Since sea water has a higher gradient of salt,
water
would go in that direction no matter which end of the alimentary canal
you
were using.
Clear enough?

--
Dennis Gibbons
dkgibbons at optonline dot net
"AC" wrote in message
...
You don't seem to understand how the lower bowel works. Try
researching
it,
and you will understand.

The part of the bowel before the anus re-hydrates the body through
re-absorbtion. It does this by several means to which "JAXAshby",
for
one -
would not even have a clue.


"Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message
t...
The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt
concentration
than
the
body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the
body.
Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent
multiplication
in
the
loops of Henle)

--
Dennis Gibbons
dkgibbons at optonline dot net


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is
JUST
AS
DANGEROUS as drinking seawater.

Idiot. geesus kriste!!

From: "AC"
Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than
sitting
in
it.

Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking,
using
seawater
enemas have been reported.


"KimDalkin" wrote in message
...
I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales".

In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting
in
sea
water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking
water.
He
describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it
entirely.

I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its
pluasible.
The
density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea
water.
If
severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and
water
would
pass through the skin back into the body.

Does reverse osmosis occur?
If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea,
instead
of
watching the boards shrink?

Kim