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Avoiding Dehydration by staying wet at sea?
I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales".
In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim |
"KimDalkin" wrote in message ... I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales". In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim I suppose that 1. remaining cool and eliminating water loss in sweat and 2. breathing in more humid air and so reducing so-called insensible loss (the amount of moisture needed to humidify air, about 500 mls per day, in the nasopharynx before entering the lungs- the air that you breathe out is fully humidified which is why it mists up mirrors) would reduce water requirements. I doubt that water transfer through the skin would be much as the skin is designed to be water impermeable, otherwise we would leak all the time. Some disease states (with marked oedema) result in water oozing out through the skin but it is not common. Seawater is much more concentrated than plasma- from memory about 5-6 times- which is why one cannot drink seawater and survive. If it were only slightly different to plasma then drinking seawater to survive would be possible. Thus the Ancient Mariner was correct- Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink. Peter (Physician) |
You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in
it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. "KimDalkin" wrote in message ... I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales". In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim |
The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than the
body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body. Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in the loops of Henle) -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST AS DANGEROUS as drinking seawater. Idiot. geesus kriste!! From: "AC" Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. "KimDalkin" wrote in message ... I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales". In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim |
Perhaps you would like to quote the sources. For instance "The
administration of water by enema was probably a great help in speedily alleviating the dehydration suffered by us in times of drought. While we used water that was unpalatable, it was not undrinkable. I had wondered if it would be possible to use sea water in this way, but Lyn had strongly advised against it. Sea water taken by enema would cause as much damage as if it was taken by mouth." Dougal Robertson, 'Survive the Savage Sea'. Since he brought himself, his wife, three children and a family friend through 37 days adrift in a dinghy, his comments need to be taken seriously. -- "AC" wrote in message ... You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. |
You don't seem to understand how the lower bowel works. Try researching it,
and you will understand. The part of the bowel before the anus re-hydrates the body through re-absorbtion. It does this by several means to which "JAXAshby", for one - would not even have a clue. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message t... The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than the body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body. Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in the loops of Henle) -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST AS DANGEROUS as drinking seawater. Idiot. geesus kriste!! From: "AC" Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. "KimDalkin" wrote in message ... I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales". In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim |
Osmosis (even if it did apply internally-human such as this) is not a simple
salt-water system, nor is that analysis applicable in this case. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message t... The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than the body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body. Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in the loops of Henle) -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST AS DANGEROUS as drinking seawater. Idiot. geesus kriste!! From: "AC" Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. "KimDalkin" wrote in message ... I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales". In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim |
ignore AC and every last thing he says or has ever said. He is lost to this
universe. A lying sack of squat with no morals at all. He purposely trying to hurt people with his stew ped pronouncment that the tissues of the rectum are capable of filtering the salt from sal****er as compared to the tissues of the stomach lining which can not. Ignore AC and everything he says. he is a dilberate miscreant. Perhaps you would like to quote the sources. For instance "The administration of water by enema was probably a great help in speedily alleviating the dehydration suffered by us in times of drought. While we used water that was unpalatable, it was not undrinkable. I had wondered if it would be possible to use sea water in this way, but Lyn had strongly advised against it. Sea water taken by enema would cause as much damage as if it was taken by mouth." Dougal Robertson, 'Survive the Savage Sea'. Since he brought himself, his wife, three children and a family friend through 37 days adrift in a dinghy, his comments need to be taken seriously. -- "AC" wrote in message ... You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. |
yeah, AC was deliberately trying to hurt someone. what a squathead.
The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than the body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body. Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in the loops of Henle) -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST AS DANGEROUS as drinking seawater. Idiot. geesus kriste!! From: "AC" Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. "KimDalkin" wrote in message ... I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales". In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim |
AC, you lying sack of squat. knock it off. you are a moral miscreant
deliberating trying to harm people. go pull the wings off flies. better yet, go pull a fake gun on a cop at night. You don't seem to understand how the lower bowel works. Try researching it, and you will understand. The part of the bowel before the anus re-hydrates the body through re-absorbtion. It does this by several means to which "JAXAshby", for one - would not even have a clue. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message et... The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than the body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body. Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in the loops of Henle) -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST AS DANGEROUS as drinking seawater. Idiot. geesus kriste!! From: "AC" Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. "KimDalkin" wrote in message ... I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales". In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim |
ac, you lying sack of squat KNOCK IT OFF!! go pull a fake gun on a cop at
night. Osmosis (even if it did apply internally-human such as this) is not a simple salt-water system, nor is that analysis applicable in this case. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message et... The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than the body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body. Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in the loops of Henle) -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST AS DANGEROUS as drinking seawater. Idiot. geesus kriste!! From: "AC" Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. "KimDalkin" wrote in message ... I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales". In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim |
Actually we just got through that section here in Nursing School.
The lower bowel ( the colon) does absorb excess water from food. However, it is not by some magic process. There are not little guys in there pumping water through the colon wall. It is by passive osmosis only. By definition osmosis moves water from an area of lesser solute concentration to one of greater concentration. Since sea water has a higher gradient of salt, water would go in that direction no matter which end of the alimentary canal you were using. Clear enough? -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "AC" wrote in message ... You don't seem to understand how the lower bowel works. Try researching it, and you will understand. The part of the bowel before the anus re-hydrates the body through re-absorbtion. It does this by several means to which "JAXAshby", for one - would not even have a clue. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message t... The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than the body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body. Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in the loops of Henle) -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST AS DANGEROUS as drinking seawater. Idiot. geesus kriste!! From: "AC" Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. "KimDalkin" wrote in message ... I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales". In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim |
Good grief! Maybe you two should set out together on a field trip offshore
and prove the point to each other. All the rude behavior isn't convincing me of anything. In all likelihood, none of us here will need to prove or dis-prove this mental minutia anyway! "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... ignore AC and every last thing he says or has ever said. He is lost to this universe. A lying sack of squat with no morals at all. He purposely trying to hurt people with his stew ped pronouncment that the tissues of the rectum are capable of filtering the salt from sal****er as compared to the tissues of the stomach lining which can not. Ignore AC and everything he says. he is a dilberate miscreant. Perhaps you would like to quote the sources. For instance "The administration of water by enema was probably a great help in speedily alleviating the dehydration suffered by us in times of drought. While we used water that was unpalatable, it was not undrinkable. I had wondered if it would be possible to use sea water in this way, but Lyn had strongly advised against it. Sea water taken by enema would cause as much damage as if it was taken by mouth." Dougal Robertson, 'Survive the Savage Sea'. Since he brought himself, his wife, three children and a family friend through 37 days adrift in a dinghy, his comments need to be taken seriously. -- "AC" wrote in message ... You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. |
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Kinda crusty aren't ya? I simply tried to add a little humor to a rather
harsh series of exchanges. Besides, waiting over the weekend is not unusual as a pause between volleys. Lighten up. (c; "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... dan, pay attention. the issue was deal with two days ago. From: "Dan" Date: 8/30/2004 1:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Good grief! Maybe you two should set out together on a field trip offshore and prove the point to each other. All the rude behavior isn't convincing me of anything. In all likelihood, none of us here will need to prove or dis-prove this mental minutia anyway! "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... ignore AC and every last thing he says or has ever said. He is lost to this universe. A lying sack of squat with no morals at all. He purposely trying to hurt people with his stew ped pronouncment that the tissues of the rectum are capable of filtering the salt from sal****er as compared to the tissues of the stomach lining which can not. Ignore AC and everything he says. he is a dilberate miscreant. Perhaps you would like to quote the sources. For instance "The administration of water by enema was probably a great help in speedily alleviating the dehydration suffered by us in times of drought. While we used water that was unpalatable, it was not undrinkable. I had wondered if it would be possible to use sea water in this way, but Lyn had strongly advised against it. Sea water taken by enema would cause as much damage as if it was taken by mouth." Dougal Robertson, 'Survive the Savage Sea'. Since he brought himself, his wife, three children and a family friend through 37 days adrift in a dinghy, his comments need to be taken seriously. -- "AC" wrote in message ... You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. |
sorry, I missed the humor in suggesting I go offhosre with a malecious
reprobate like AC. that dood is dangerous, though most likely he would cower in a corner. Kinda crusty aren't ya? I simply tried to add a little humor to a rather harsh series of exchanges. Besides, waiting over the weekend is not unusual as a pause between volleys. Lighten up. (c; "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... dan, pay attention. the issue was deal with two days ago. From: "Dan" Date: 8/30/2004 1:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Good grief! Maybe you two should set out together on a field trip offshore and prove the point to each other. All the rude behavior isn't convincing me of anything. In all likelihood, none of us here will need to prove or dis-prove this mental minutia anyway! "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... ignore AC and every last thing he says or has ever said. He is lost to this universe. A lying sack of squat with no morals at all. He purposely trying to hurt people with his stew ped pronouncment that the tissues of the rectum are capable of filtering the salt from sal****er as compared to the tissues of the stomach lining which can not. Ignore AC and everything he says. he is a dilberate miscreant. Perhaps you would like to quote the sources. For instance "The administration of water by enema was probably a great help in speedily alleviating the dehydration suffered by us in times of drought. While we used water that was unpalatable, it was not undrinkable. I had wondered if it would be possible to use sea water in this way, but Lyn had strongly advised against it. Sea water taken by enema would cause as much damage as if it was taken by mouth." Dougal Robertson, 'Survive the Savage Sea'. Since he brought himself, his wife, three children and a family friend through 37 days adrift in a dinghy, his comments need to be taken seriously. -- "AC" wrote in message ... You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. |
Well put, however, everyone here seems to have misunderstood my expression
"BETTER OFF". What part of that is not clear??? You can analyse my post using one petty minutiae after another, or you can address the reply in the context in which it was given. I simply made the comparison between sitting in the water, and taking it internally. From "Survival at sea" Drinking sea water Everybody who has accidentally swallowed a bit of sea water knows that drinking a glass of it isn't possible. Drinking sea water is dangerous and will result kidney failure. This is what everybody thought until Dr. Bombard proved that people could survive on sea water (we are talking about staying alive, not healthy). Many experts still disagree with Bombard's theory, but the fact that he has survived 63 days on drifting raft without any other food and water than what the ocean could provide him gives a lot of credit to his research on sea survival. Bombard doesn't disregard the danger of drinking sea water. During his testing periods he got sick when he tried to drink more than 32oz of sea water per day for more than five days. After numerous tests and various castaway experimentation (drifting at sea for weeks), he came to the conclusion that people could safely drink sea water in quantities not exceeding 32oz per day. Safely here doesn't imply healthy, it is rather the maximum amount of sea water a man could drink without experiencing major health complication or life threatening conditions. Of course all his tests were limited on himself (although many other people like the crew of La Balsa expedition and the Incas themselves were known to regularly drink sea water). If you must drink sea water, follow Dr. Bombard 's advice. 32oz. per day, for 63 days. Not poison, not recommended also, but a much longer survival than simply doing nothing. IMHO, It's always better to rely on empirical evidence, than simply work on non systemic body system theory... Oh yeah, Jaxashby - don't bother replying to any of my posts, since you aren't achieving your objective any longer, and more than adequately proven your ignorance to many people. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message et... Actually we just got through that section here in Nursing School. The lower bowel ( the colon) does absorb excess water from food. However, it is not by some magic process. There are not little guys in there pumping water through the colon wall. It is by passive osmosis only. By definition osmosis moves water from an area of lesser solute concentration to one of greater concentration. Since sea water has a higher gradient of salt, water would go in that direction no matter which end of the alimentary canal you were using. Clear enough? -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "AC" wrote in message ... You don't seem to understand how the lower bowel works. Try researching it, and you will understand. The part of the bowel before the anus re-hydrates the body through re-absorbtion. It does this by several means to which "JAXAshby", for one - would not even have a clue. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message t... The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than the body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body. Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in the loops of Henle) -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST AS DANGEROUS as drinking seawater. Idiot. geesus kriste!! From: "AC" Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. "KimDalkin" wrote in message ... I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales". In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim |
this is my last posting on this thread.
Perhaps we are seeing natural selection at work. anyone who makes a decision of such consequence as drinking sea water based upon opinions gathered from an unmoderated news group, may not be needed in the gene pool. Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "AC" wrote in message ... Well put, however, everyone here seems to have misunderstood my expression "BETTER OFF". What part of that is not clear??? You can analyse my post using one petty minutiae after another, or you can address the reply in the context in which it was given. I simply made the comparison between sitting in the water, and taking it internally. From "Survival at sea" Drinking sea water Everybody who has accidentally swallowed a bit of sea water knows that drinking a glass of it isn't possible. Drinking sea water is dangerous and will result kidney failure. This is what everybody thought until Dr. Bombard proved that people could survive on sea water (we are talking about staying alive, not healthy). Many experts still disagree with Bombard's theory, but the fact that he has survived 63 days on drifting raft without any other food and water than what the ocean could provide him gives a lot of credit to his research on sea survival. Bombard doesn't disregard the danger of drinking sea water. During his testing periods he got sick when he tried to drink more than 32oz of sea water per day for more than five days. After numerous tests and various castaway experimentation (drifting at sea for weeks), he came to the conclusion that people could safely drink sea water in quantities not exceeding 32oz per day. Safely here doesn't imply healthy, it is rather the maximum amount of sea water a man could drink without experiencing major health complication or life threatening conditions. Of course all his tests were limited on himself (although many other people like the crew of La Balsa expedition and the Incas themselves were known to regularly drink sea water). If you must drink sea water, follow Dr. Bombard 's advice. 32oz. per day, for 63 days. Not poison, not recommended also, but a much longer survival than simply doing nothing. IMHO, It's always better to rely on empirical evidence, than simply work on non systemic body system theory... Oh yeah, Jaxashby - don't bother replying to any of my posts, since you aren't achieving your objective any longer, and more than adequately proven your ignorance to many people. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message et... Actually we just got through that section here in Nursing School. The lower bowel ( the colon) does absorb excess water from food. However, it is not by some magic process. There are not little guys in there pumping water through the colon wall. It is by passive osmosis only. By definition osmosis moves water from an area of lesser solute concentration to one of greater concentration. Since sea water has a higher gradient of salt, water would go in that direction no matter which end of the alimentary canal you were using. Clear enough? -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "AC" wrote in message ... You don't seem to understand how the lower bowel works. Try researching it, and you will understand. The part of the bowel before the anus re-hydrates the body through re-absorbtion. It does this by several means to which "JAXAshby", for one - would not even have a clue. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message t... The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than the body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body. Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in the loops of Henle) -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST AS DANGEROUS as drinking seawater. Idiot. geesus kriste!! From: "AC" Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. "KimDalkin" wrote in message ... I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales". In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim |
"Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message
. net... this is my last posting on this thread. So what? Perhaps we are seeing natural selection at work. anyone who makes a decision of such consequence as drinking sea water based upon opinions gathered from an unmoderated news group, may not be needed in the gene pool. You "replied" to my post, but didn't refute it in any sensible, nor logical way. The post was probably a waste of your obviously far more informed talent. If you used more than your nursing textbook to approach the problem, you would understand that the principle is far from "cut & dry". In fact, if you are studying to be a nurse, you will already know that medicine is an unexact science, and is full of contradictory claims & practices. When someone ignores solid empirical evidence & several examples both in survival instances, and throughout history, then perhaps THEY will support Darwin through their ignorance one day... Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "AC" wrote in message ... Well put, however, everyone here seems to have misunderstood my expression "BETTER OFF". What part of that is not clear??? You can analyse my post using one petty minutiae after another, or you can address the reply in the context in which it was given. I simply made the comparison between sitting in the water, and taking it internally. From "Survival at sea" Drinking sea water Everybody who has accidentally swallowed a bit of sea water knows that drinking a glass of it isn't possible. Drinking sea water is dangerous and will result kidney failure. This is what everybody thought until Dr. Bombard proved that people could survive on sea water (we are talking about staying alive, not healthy). Many experts still disagree with Bombard's theory, but the fact that he has survived 63 days on drifting raft without any other food and water than what the ocean could provide him gives a lot of credit to his research on sea survival. Bombard doesn't disregard the danger of drinking sea water. During his testing periods he got sick when he tried to drink more than 32oz of sea water per day for more than five days. After numerous tests and various castaway experimentation (drifting at sea for weeks), he came to the conclusion that people could safely drink sea water in quantities not exceeding 32oz per day. Safely here doesn't imply healthy, it is rather the maximum amount of sea water a man could drink without experiencing major health complication or life threatening conditions. Of course all his tests were limited on himself (although many other people like the crew of La Balsa expedition and the Incas themselves were known to regularly drink sea water). If you must drink sea water, follow Dr. Bombard 's advice. 32oz. per day, for 63 days. Not poison, not recommended also, but a much longer survival than simply doing nothing. IMHO, It's always better to rely on empirical evidence, than simply work on non systemic body system theory... Oh yeah, Jaxashby - don't bother replying to any of my posts, since you aren't achieving your objective any longer, and more than adequately proven your ignorance to many people. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message et... Actually we just got through that section here in Nursing School. The lower bowel ( the colon) does absorb excess water from food. However, it is not by some magic process. There are not little guys in there pumping water through the colon wall. It is by passive osmosis only. By definition osmosis moves water from an area of lesser solute concentration to one of greater concentration. Since sea water has a higher gradient of salt, water would go in that direction no matter which end of the alimentary canal you were using. Clear enough? -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "AC" wrote in message ... You don't seem to understand how the lower bowel works. Try researching it, and you will understand. The part of the bowel before the anus re-hydrates the body through re-absorbtion. It does this by several means to which "JAXAshby", for one - would not even have a clue. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message t... The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than the body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body. Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in the loops of Henle) -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST AS DANGEROUS as drinking seawater. Idiot. geesus kriste!! From: "AC" Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. "KimDalkin" wrote in message ... I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales". In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim |
You "replied" to my post, but didn't refute it in any sensible, nor logical way. The post was probably a waste of plonk 1997 KTM 300 MXC, 1999 Beta Techno |
never let it be said, ac, that you let medicine stand in your way of
understanding the universe. you do, of course, know you are posting utter bs, but you are doing it with deliberate attempt to harm others. you are a moral reprobate. From: "AC" Date: 8/31/2004 6:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Well put, however, everyone here seems to have misunderstood my expression "BETTER OFF". What part of that is not clear??? You can analyse my post using one petty minutiae after another, or you can address the reply in the context in which it was given. I simply made the comparison between sitting in the water, and taking it internally. From "Survival at sea" Drinking sea water Everybody who has accidentally swallowed a bit of sea water knows that drinking a glass of it isn't possible. Drinking sea water is dangerous and will result kidney failure. This is what everybody thought until Dr. Bombard proved that people could survive on sea water (we are talking about staying alive, not healthy). Many experts still disagree with Bombard's theory, but the fact that he has survived 63 days on drifting raft without any other food and water than what the ocean could provide him gives a lot of credit to his research on sea survival. Bombard doesn't disregard the danger of drinking sea water. During his testing periods he got sick when he tried to drink more than 32oz of sea water per day for more than five days. After numerous tests and various castaway experimentation (drifting at sea for weeks), he came to the conclusion that people could safely drink sea water in quantities not exceeding 32oz per day. Safely here doesn't imply healthy, it is rather the maximum amount of sea water a man could drink without experiencing major health complication or life threatening conditions. Of course all his tests were limited on himself (although many other people like the crew of La Balsa expedition and the Incas themselves were known to regularly drink sea water). If you must drink sea water, follow Dr. Bombard 's advice. 32oz. per day, for 63 days. Not poison, not recommended also, but a much longer survival than simply doing nothing. IMHO, It's always better to rely on empirical evidence, than simply work on non systemic body system theory... Oh yeah, Jaxashby - don't bother replying to any of my posts, since you aren't achieving your objective any longer, and more than adequately proven your ignorance to many people. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message . net... Actually we just got through that section here in Nursing School. The lower bowel ( the colon) does absorb excess water from food. However, it is not by some magic process. There are not little guys in there pumping water through the colon wall. It is by passive osmosis only. By definition osmosis moves water from an area of lesser solute concentration to one of greater concentration. Since sea water has a higher gradient of salt, water would go in that direction no matter which end of the alimentary canal you were using. Clear enough? -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "AC" wrote in message ... You don't seem to understand how the lower bowel works. Try researching it, and you will understand. The part of the bowel before the anus re-hydrates the body through re-absorbtion. It does this by several means to which "JAXAshby", for one - would not even have a clue. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message t... The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than the body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body. Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in the loops of Henle) -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST AS DANGEROUS as drinking seawater. Idiot. geesus kriste!! From: "AC" Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. "KimDalkin" wrote in message ... I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales". In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim |
Dennis, you don't seem to understand. ac was **deliberately** trying to harm
people. there was not a thing accidental about his posting. he is a moral reprobate. he is laughing right at the harm he thinks he may have caused. this is my last posting on this thread. Perhaps we are seeing natural selection at work. anyone who makes a decision of such consequence as drinking sea water based upon opinions gathered from an unmoderated news group, may not be needed in the gene pool. Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "AC" wrote in message ... Well put, however, everyone here seems to have misunderstood my expression "BETTER OFF". What part of that is not clear??? You can analyse my post using one petty minutiae after another, or you can address the reply in the context in which it was given. I simply made the comparison between sitting in the water, and taking it internally. From "Survival at sea" Drinking sea water Everybody who has accidentally swallowed a bit of sea water knows that drinking a glass of it isn't possible. Drinking sea water is dangerous and will result kidney failure. This is what everybody thought until Dr. Bombard proved that people could survive on sea water (we are talking about staying alive, not healthy). Many experts still disagree with Bombard's theory, but the fact that he has survived 63 days on drifting raft without any other food and water than what the ocean could provide him gives a lot of credit to his research on sea survival. Bombard doesn't disregard the danger of drinking sea water. During his testing periods he got sick when he tried to drink more than 32oz of sea water per day for more than five days. After numerous tests and various castaway experimentation (drifting at sea for weeks), he came to the conclusion that people could safely drink sea water in quantities not exceeding 32oz per day. Safely here doesn't imply healthy, it is rather the maximum amount of sea water a man could drink without experiencing major health complication or life threatening conditions. Of course all his tests were limited on himself (although many other people like the crew of La Balsa expedition and the Incas themselves were known to regularly drink sea water). If you must drink sea water, follow Dr. Bombard 's advice. 32oz. per day, for 63 days. Not poison, not recommended also, but a much longer survival than simply doing nothing. IMHO, It's always better to rely on empirical evidence, than simply work on non systemic body system theory... Oh yeah, Jaxashby - don't bother replying to any of my posts, since you aren't achieving your objective any longer, and more than adequately proven your ignorance to many people. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message et... Actually we just got through that section here in Nursing School. The lower bowel ( the colon) does absorb excess water from food. However, it is not by some magic process. There are not little guys in there pumping water through the colon wall. It is by passive osmosis only. By definition osmosis moves water from an area of lesser solute concentration to one of greater concentration. Since sea water has a higher gradient of salt, water would go in that direction no matter which end of the alimentary canal you were using. Clear enough? -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "AC" wrote in message ... You don't seem to understand how the lower bowel works. Try researching it, and you will understand. The part of the bowel before the anus re-hydrates the body through re-absorbtion. It does this by several means to which "JAXAshby", for one - would not even have a clue. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message t... The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than the body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body. Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in the loops of Henle) -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST AS DANGEROUS as drinking seawater. Idiot. geesus kriste!! From: "AC" Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. "KimDalkin" wrote in message ... I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales". In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim |
ac continues in efforts to deliberately harm others thusly:
From: "AC" Date: 8/31/2004 10:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message .net... this is my last posting on this thread. So what? Perhaps we are seeing natural selection at work. anyone who makes a decision of such consequence as drinking sea water based upon opinions gathered from an unmoderated news group, may not be needed in the gene pool. You "replied" to my post, but didn't refute it in any sensible, nor logical way. The post was probably a waste of your obviously far more informed talent. If you used more than your nursing textbook to approach the problem, you would understand that the principle is far from "cut & dry". In fact, if you are studying to be a nurse, you will already know that medicine is an unexact science, and is full of contradictory claims & practices. When someone ignores solid empirical evidence & several examples both in survival instances, and throughout history, then perhaps THEY will support Darwin through their ignorance one day... Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "AC" wrote in message ... Well put, however, everyone here seems to have misunderstood my expression "BETTER OFF". What part of that is not clear??? You can analyse my post using one petty minutiae after another, or you can address the reply in the context in which it was given. I simply made the comparison between sitting in the water, and taking it internally. From "Survival at sea" Drinking sea water Everybody who has accidentally swallowed a bit of sea water knows that drinking a glass of it isn't possible. Drinking sea water is dangerous and will result kidney failure. This is what everybody thought until Dr. Bombard proved that people could survive on sea water (we are talking about staying alive, not healthy). Many experts still disagree with Bombard's theory, but the fact that he has survived 63 days on drifting raft without any other food and water than what the ocean could provide him gives a lot of credit to his research on sea survival. Bombard doesn't disregard the danger of drinking sea water. During his testing periods he got sick when he tried to drink more than 32oz of sea water per day for more than five days. After numerous tests and various castaway experimentation (drifting at sea for weeks), he came to the conclusion that people could safely drink sea water in quantities not exceeding 32oz per day. Safely here doesn't imply healthy, it is rather the maximum amount of sea water a man could drink without experiencing major health complication or life threatening conditions. Of course all his tests were limited on himself (although many other people like the crew of La Balsa expedition and the Incas themselves were known to regularly drink sea water). If you must drink sea water, follow Dr. Bombard 's advice. 32oz. per day, for 63 days. Not poison, not recommended also, but a much longer survival than simply doing nothing. IMHO, It's always better to rely on empirical evidence, than simply work on non systemic body system theory... Oh yeah, Jaxashby - don't bother replying to any of my posts, since you aren't achieving your objective any longer, and more than adequately proven your ignorance to many people. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message et... Actually we just got through that section here in Nursing School. The lower bowel ( the colon) does absorb excess water from food. However, it is not by some magic process. There are not little guys in there pumping water through the colon wall. It is by passive osmosis only. By definition osmosis moves water from an area of lesser solute concentration to one of greater concentration. Since sea water has a higher gradient of salt, water would go in that direction no matter which end of the alimentary canal you were using. Clear enough? -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "AC" wrote in message ... You don't seem to understand how the lower bowel works. Try researching it, and you will understand. The part of the bowel before the anus re-hydrates the body through re-absorbtion. It does this by several means to which "JAXAshby", for one - would not even have a clue. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message t... The problem is that since sea water has a higher salt concentration than the body, if water could travel through the skin, it would LEAVE the body. Water follows salt (let's hear it for countercurrent multiplication in the loops of Henle) -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... KNOCK IT OFF, YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! you know not a thing you are talking about. a seawater enema is JUST AS DANGEROUS as drinking seawater. Idiot. geesus kriste!! From: "AC" Date: 8/29/2004 5:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: You'd be much better off giving yourself an enema with it, than sitting in it. Several cases of extended survival at sea without drinking, using seawater enemas have been reported. "KimDalkin" wrote in message ... I just finished ready Jack London's "South Sea Island Tales". In it he descibes Islanders preventing dehydration by sitting in sea water. A hurrican had just destroyed the islands drinking water. He describes it relieving thirst, though not getting rid of it entirely. I spoke to a doctor friend of mine, and he thinks its pluasible. The density of salt in the body is just slightly less than sea water. If severely dehyrated, then reverse osmoosis would occur, and water would pass through the skin back into the body. Does reverse osmosis occur? If so, should the Ancient Mariner of jumped into the sea, instead of watching the boards shrink? Kim |
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