Kerry still refuses to release pertinent records
 

"A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records
produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel
Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the full
file, which consists of at least a hundred pages."

Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 22, 2004; Page A01

More to the point might be a release of some of the papers from the Bush
Presidency... such as Cheney's notes from his top-secret Energy Policy
meetings; or pre-Sept 11th briefings about terrorists flying airplanes
into buildings.

However, the Bush-Cheney White House is the most secretive in all
history. They make Nixon look like a blabbermouth. So, therefor, it
behooves all Bush supporters to demand that everybody else release all
documents publicly, right?

NOYB wrote:
"A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records
produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel
Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the full
file, which consists of at least a hundred pages."

Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 22, 2004; Page A01

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.0a0c240f0fdb87951315d7f3794adf02@109 3368602.nulluser.com...
NOYB wrote:

"A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records
produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel
Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the
full
file, which consists of at least a hundred pages."

Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 22, 2004; Page A01


I'm sure Kerry will be glad to release whatever records are there, once
Dubya releases the records everyone wants to see...the ones that show
he was grounded, then deserted, et cetera.

Let Kerry release his first...the ones that show that he was never in
Cambodia, that two of his Purple Hearts were received for self-inflicted
wounds, and that he lied about the circumstances for which he was awarded
medals of honor.

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
More to the point might be a release of some of the papers from the Bush
Presidency... such as Cheney's notes from his top-secret Energy Policy
meetings;

Your side already went to court on that one...and lost.


or pre-Sept 11th briefings about terrorists flying airplanes
into buildings.

Ask Sandy Berger for the memos to those. He was caught stuffing them into
his socks.

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.0a0c240f0fdb87951315d7f3794adf02@109 3368602.nulluser.com...
NOYB wrote:

"A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records
produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel
Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the
full
file, which consists of at least a hundred pages."

Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 22, 2004; Page A01


I'm sure Kerry will be glad to release whatever records are there, once
Dubya releases the records everyone wants to see...the ones that show
he was grounded, then deserted, et cetera.

Let Kerry release his first...the ones that show that he was never in
Cambodia, that two of his Purple Hearts were received for self-inflicted
wounds, and that he lied about the circumstances for which he was awarded
medals of honor.



Why should Kerry release his records first? Bush is the one who has been
stonewalling on these particular records of interest for years.

And why are you, of all people, ocmmenting on anyone's national service,
since you've never done anything to serve your country. Nothing. Zippo.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

NOYB wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
More to the point might be a release of some of the papers from the Bush
Presidency... such as Cheney's notes from his top-secret Energy Policy
meetings;

Your side already went to court on that one...and lost.

Nope. Still boiling on the back burner.


--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
More to the point might be a release of some of the papers from the Bush
Presidency... such as Cheney's notes from his top-secret Energy Policy
meetings;

Your side already went to court on that one...and lost.

And that's OK with you? You think those results are acceptable???

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in
message
news:c3dhc2g=.0a0c240f0fdb87951315d7f3794adf02@109 3368602.nulluser.com...
NOYB wrote:

"A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records
produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel
Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the
full
file, which consists of at least a hundred pages."

Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 22, 2004; Page A01


I'm sure Kerry will be glad to release whatever records are there, once
Dubya releases the records everyone wants to see...the ones that show
he was grounded, then deserted, et cetera.

Let Kerry release his first...the ones that show that he was never in
Cambodia, that two of his Purple Hearts were received for self-inflicted
wounds, and that he lied about the circumstances for which he was awarded
medals of honor.



Why should Kerry release his records first? Bush is the one who has been
stonewalling on these particular records of interest for years.

And why are you, of all people, ocmmenting on anyone's national service,
since you've never done anything to serve your country. Nothing. Zippo.


And selling donuts at the college cafeteria was?

Kerry is the one to make his military career the cornerstone issue of his
campaign. He is therefore open to questions and criticism. If he want to
appear at all credible he needs to disclose the records.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in
message

news:c3dhc2g=.0a0c240f0fdb87951315d7f3794adf02@109 3368602.nulluser.com...
NOYB wrote:

"A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records
produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel
Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the
full
file, which consists of at least a hundred pages."

Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 22, 2004; Page A01


I'm sure Kerry will be glad to release whatever records are there, once
Dubya releases the records everyone wants to see...the ones that show
he was grounded, then deserted, et cetera.

Let Kerry release his first...the ones that show that he was never in
Cambodia, that two of his Purple Hearts were received for self-inflicted
wounds, and that he lied about the circumstances for which he was
awarded
medals of honor.



Why should Kerry release his records first? Bush is the one who has been
stonewalling on these particular records of interest for years.

And why are you, of all people, ocmmenting on anyone's national service,
since you've never done anything to serve your country. Nothing. Zippo.

Because I never lied about things that I never did...and I'm not running for
President.

More to the point might be a release of some of the papers from the Bush
Presidency... such as Cheney's notes from his top-secret Energy Policy
meetings;


NOYB wrote:
Your side already went to court on that one...and lost.

Actually, that is a sad thing. "My side" is the side of freedom for U.S.
citizens to know what their gov't is up to... one of the founding
principles of our system.

DSK

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
More to the point might be a release of some of the papers from the
Bush
Presidency... such as Cheney's notes from his top-secret Energy Policy
meetings;

Your side already went to court on that one...and lost.

Nope. Still boiling on the back burner.

Where it will remain until after November. And then nobody will give a damn
until the '06 mid-term elections.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
More to the point might be a release of some of the papers from the
Bush
Presidency... such as Cheney's notes from his top-secret Energy Policy
meetings;

Your side already went to court on that one...and lost.

And that's OK with you? You think those results are acceptable???

Not just acceptable. Desirable.

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
More to the point might be a release of some of the papers from the Bush
Presidency... such as Cheney's notes from his top-secret Energy Policy
meetings;


NOYB wrote:
Your side already went to court on that one...and lost.

Actually, that is a sad thing. "My side" is the side of freedom for U.S.
citizens to know what their gov't is up to... one of the founding
principles of our system.

"Your side" is a bunch of politically driven witch-hunters. If it weren't
an election year, nobody would give a damn. If the case didn't go before
the extremely liberal Clinton-appointee Emmitt Sullivan (the same guy
forcing the implementation of all of those ridiculous manatee zones),
there'd be no case.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Why should Kerry release his records first? Bush is the one who has been
stonewalling on these particular records of interest for years.


Because Kerry made it a part of his campaign. I for one would like to hear
the truth, not his side and not the SBVFTT side either. If GWB wants to make
it a part of his campaign then he should release his. There's so much
misinformation flying around from both sides, one hardly knows what to
believe. it comes down to this, some people don't like Kerry and will
believe what SBVFTT say, some like Kerry and will believe what he says.

And why are you, of all people, ocmmenting on anyone's national service,
since you've never done anything to serve your country. Nothing. Zippo.

I'm just curious as to what you've done? I've seen you refer to some who are
known to be ex-military as "ex-military incompetent" so I take it it wasn't
the military? Don't take that the wrong way as a flame or anything, I really
would like to know.

C Krigbaum

Actually, that is a sad thing. "My side" is the side of freedom for U.S.
citizens to know what their gov't is up to... one of the founding
principles of our system.


NOYB wrote:
"Your side" is a bunch of politically driven witch-hunters.

Oh, you mean like, people that would spen $60+ million of taxpayers
hard-earned money trying to nail somebody for getting a blow job?

... If it weren't
an election year, nobody would give a damn.

That's entirely untrue. To you, it may be "no big deal" that a
fundamental liberty of U.S. citizens is being stolen. To others, it is a
very big deal.

... If the case didn't go before
the extremely liberal Clinton-appointee Emmitt Sullivan (the same guy
forcing the implementation of all of those ridiculous manatee zones),
there'd be no case.

Really?

I think you may find this interesting... note the source, a well known
libby-rull spinmeister named John Dean:


http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20011109.html

Try typing the words "Bush" and "Executive Order" and "secrecy" into
Google. Here, I've made it easy:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...+Order+secrecy

The results startled me. I knew of Pesident Bush's initial secrecy
order, the constitutionality of which has not yet been testes, but he's
done it 3 times!

Oh and one more thing... I believe the Bible has some words of wisdom on
the subject... something about who it is that "hateth the light"... let
me see, is it honorable upstanding Christians? No, that doesn't sound
right... hmmm who can help me out here...

DSK

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
More to the point might be a release of some of the papers from the
Bush
Presidency... such as Cheney's notes from his top-secret Energy
Policy
meetings;

Your side already went to court on that one...and lost.

And that's OK with you? You think those results are acceptable???

Not just acceptable. Desirable.



Let's get this straight: Corporate personnel are involved in making PUBLIC
POLICY, and you think it's desirable that the proceedings be kept secret?
Explain.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Briefly, as previously stated, I was an employee of a Defense Department
agency. At first, my job was to gather information, but I was not a spy,
nor was I working as one. Just information gathering.

But I did get...the offer of two high level
jobs in labor management for the USPS.

Admit it. You tracked lost mail for the Army.

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Actually, that is a sad thing. "My side" is the side of freedom for U.S.
citizens to know what their gov't is up to... one of the founding
principles of our system.


NOYB wrote:
"Your side" is a bunch of politically driven witch-hunters.

Oh, you mean like, people that would spen $60+ million of taxpayers
hard-earned money trying to nail somebody for getting a blow job?

... If it weren't
an election year, nobody would give a damn.

That's entirely untrue. To you, it may be "no big deal" that a
fundamental liberty of U.S. citizens is being stolen. To others, it is a
very big deal.

... If the case didn't go before
the extremely liberal Clinton-appointee Emmitt Sullivan (the same guy
forcing the implementation of all of those ridiculous manatee zones),
there'd be no case.

Really?

I think you may find this interesting... note the source, a well known
libby-rull spinmeister named John Dean:

You use the opinion of a liberal attorney to refute my argument that the
only reason the case has teeth is because a liberal judge ruled that it
might? That's downright laughable. In case you haven't figured it out, I
don't have much respect for the opinions of attorneys and activist judges.

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Briefly, as previously stated, I was an employee of a Defense Department
agency. At first, my job was to gather information, but I was not a spy,
nor was I working as one. Just information gathering.

But I did get...the offer of two high level
jobs in labor management for the USPS.

Admit it. You tracked lost mail for the Army.


That would have been fun, but, alas, I turned down the USPS...twice.



--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

That would have been fun, but, alas, I turned down the USPS...twice.

Was this before your Doctor Doctor wife purchased your 36' Lobster Boat?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Briefly, as previously stated, I was an employee of a Defense
Department
agency. At first, my job was to gather information, but I was not a
spy,
nor was I working as one. Just information gathering.

But I did get...the offer of two high level
jobs in labor management for the USPS.

Admit it. You tracked lost mail for the Army.


That would have been fun, but, alas, I turned down the USPS...twice.


That's probably a good thing. The USPS already has enough employees with
anti-social personality disorders.

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Briefly, as previously stated, I was an employee of a Defense
Department
agency. At first, my job was to gather information, but I was not a
spy,
nor was I working as one. Just information gathering.

But I did get...the offer of two high level
jobs in labor management for the USPS.

Admit it. You tracked lost mail for the Army.


That would have been fun, but, alas, I turned down the USPS...twice.


That's probably a good thing. The USPS already has enough employees with
anti-social personality disorders.



Most of it is a result of really ****-poor management and management
policies. Really. Unless you've seen it up close, you cannot begin to
understand how bad postal management at the post office level is.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Briefly, as previously stated, I was an employee of a Defense Department
agency. At first, my job was to gather information, but I was not a spy,
nor was I working as one. Just information gathering.

But I did get...the offer of two high level
jobs in labor management for the USPS.

Admit it. You tracked lost mail for the Army.


That would have been fun, but, alas, I turned down the USPS...twice.



An ex donut salesman becoming a mailman? Seems like it would be right up
your alley Krause...another no brain job.

NOYB wrote:
You use the opinion of a liberal attorney to refute my argument

Now you're really being funny. You don't know who John Dean is, do you?

Think: Watergate.... served time... not a Democrat... ring any bells yet?

DSK

"NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net...
"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
More to the point might be a release of some of the papers from the Bush
Presidency... such as Cheney's notes from his top-secret Energy Policy
meetings;

Your side already went to court on that one...and lost.


or pre-Sept 11th briefings about terrorists flying airplanes
into buildings.

Ask Sandy Berger for the memos to those. He was caught stuffing them into
his socks.

You've been listening to Hannity and Rush too much. It wasn't like
that at all, and has been proven such.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Briefly, as previously stated, I was an employee of a Defense
Department
agency. At first, my job was to gather information, but I was not a
spy,
nor was I working as one. Just information gathering.

But I did get...the offer of two high level
jobs in labor management for the USPS.

Admit it. You tracked lost mail for the Army.


That would have been fun, but, alas, I turned down the USPS...twice.


That's probably a good thing. The USPS already has enough employees
with
anti-social personality disorders.



Most of it is a result of really ****-poor management and management
policies. Really. Unless you've seen it up close, you cannot begin to
understand how bad postal management at the post office level is.


That's my main beef with organizations which promote people based upon
length of time working there rather than based upon a person's merits. It
then becomes virtually impossible to get rid of the dead wood. Instead, the
dead wood gets promoted. The Public school system is another example where
tenure has really ****ed things up. If I have one major complaint about
labor unions, it's that they're the *worst* perpetrator of this type of
irrational promotion scheme.

"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
You use the opinion of a liberal attorney to refute my argument

Now you're really being funny. You don't know who John Dean is, do you?

Think: Watergate.... served time...

Oh, this just gets better and better. You're citing the opinion of an
attorney ex-con? His opinion becomes more irrelevant by the minute.

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Briefly, as previously stated, I was an employee of a Defense
Department
agency. At first, my job was to gather information, but I was not a
spy,
nor was I working as one. Just information gathering.

But I did get...the offer of two high level
jobs in labor management for the USPS.

Admit it. You tracked lost mail for the Army.


That would have been fun, but, alas, I turned down the USPS...twice.


That's probably a good thing. The USPS already has enough employees
with
anti-social personality disorders.



Most of it is a result of really ****-poor management and management
policies. Really. Unless you've seen it up close, you cannot begin to
understand how bad postal management at the post office level is.


That's my main beef with organizations which promote people based upon
length of time working there rather than based upon a person's merits. It
then becomes virtually impossible to get rid of the dead wood. Instead, the
dead wood gets promoted. The Public school system is another example where
tenure has really ****ed things up. If I have one major complaint about
labor unions, it's that they're the *worst* perpetrator of this type of
irrational promotion scheme.




You obviously have no idea how the USPS works.
Oh...and teachers don't get promoted year to year with the kids.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

NOYB wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
You use the opinion of a liberal attorney to refute my argument

Now you're really being funny. You don't know who John Dean is, do you?

Think: Watergate.... served time...

Oh, this just gets better and better. You're citing the opinion of an
attorney ex-con? His opinion becomes more irrelevant by the minute.



Admit it...you had no idea who John Dean is...none, zip. D'oh.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
More to the point might be a release of some of the papers from the
Bush
Presidency... such as Cheney's notes from his top-secret Energy Policy
meetings;

Your side already went to court on that one...and lost.


or pre-Sept 11th briefings about terrorists flying airplanes
into buildings.

Ask Sandy Berger for the memos to those. He was caught stuffing them
into
his socks.

You've been listening to Hannity and Rush too much. It wasn't like
that at all, and has been proven such.

Nothing has been proven. There's still an active investigation into the
theft at the Justice Department.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Briefly, as previously stated, I was an employee of a Defense
Department
agency. At first, my job was to gather information, but I was not
a
spy,
nor was I working as one. Just information gathering.

But I did get...the offer of two high level
jobs in labor management for the USPS.

Admit it. You tracked lost mail for the Army.


That would have been fun, but, alas, I turned down the USPS...twice.


That's probably a good thing. The USPS already has enough employees
with
anti-social personality disorders.



Most of it is a result of really ****-poor management and management
policies. Really. Unless you've seen it up close, you cannot begin to
understand how bad postal management at the post office level is.


That's my main beef with organizations which promote people based upon
length of time working there rather than based upon a person's merits.
It
then becomes virtually impossible to get rid of the dead wood. Instead,
the
dead wood gets promoted. The Public school system is another example
where
tenure has really ****ed things up. If I have one major complaint about
labor unions, it's that they're the *worst* perpetrator of this type of
irrational promotion scheme.




You obviously have no idea how the USPS works.

No? Then please enlighten me. On what basis does the USPS promote
employees?

Oh...and teachers don't get promoted year to year with the kids.

No. The really ****ty ones (who get the most parental complaints about
them)get shuffled off to an administration position...which is tantamount to
a promotion. Conversely, the great ones are, in-effect, punished by being
shifted into the classrooms to teach the kids who weren't able to pass the
minimum basic skills tests.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
You use the opinion of a liberal attorney to refute my argument

Now you're really being funny. You don't know who John Dean is, do you?

Think: Watergate.... served time...

Oh, this just gets better and better. You're citing the opinion of an
attorney ex-con? His opinion becomes more irrelevant by the minute.



Admit it...you had no idea who John Dean is...none, zip. D'oh.


I had never heard of John Dean until I read that very same article at
FindLaw just yesterday (before you posted it).

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

Oh...and teachers don't get promoted year to year with the kids.

No. The really ****ty ones (who get the most parental complaints about
them)get shuffled off to an administration position...which is tantamount
to
a promotion. Conversely, the great ones are, in-effect, punished by being
shifted into the classrooms to teach the kids who weren't able to pass the
minimum basic skills tests.



Quite a generalization. It doesn't work that way in MY son's school. Perhaps
you should try walking into your school sometime and actually speaking to
the principal.

NOYB wrote:
Oh, this just gets better and better. You're citing the opinion of an
attorney ex-con? His opinion becomes more irrelevant by the minute.



The relevance of John Dean's opinion about the secrecy of the Bush White
House, relative to the Nixon White House, is that he was one of the
principal figures in the Watergate break-in and cover-up; along with all
the other malfeasances, high crimes, and treasons, that Nixon ordered.

But, it doesn't make sense to ask the man who knows the real facts, does
it? That might interfere with your preconceptions & prejudices.

FACT- President Bush and Vice President Cheney are dedicated to secrecy.
They have enforced secrecy ordered not backed by law, kept secrets
from Congress, from the military, from their own cabinet, and certainly
from the citizens of the U.S. Their is by far the most secretive of any
administration in American history.

Why? It is not a reaction to the Sept 11th attacks justified by the "war
on terror." The secrecy orders began practically the day after their
inauguration.

Why do they need to keep so much of what they do secret? What are they
afraid of?

DSK

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
You use the opinion of a liberal attorney to refute my argument

Now you're really being funny. You don't know who John Dean is, do you?

Think: Watergate.... served time...

Oh, this just gets better and better. You're citing the opinion of an
attorney ex-con? His opinion becomes more irrelevant by the minute.



Admit it...you had no idea who John Dean is...none, zip. D'oh.


I had never heard of John Dean until I read that very same article at
FindLaw just yesterday (before you posted it).




Simply amazing, but not surprising. Read more. And read more often.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
You use the opinion of a liberal attorney to refute my argument

Now you're really being funny. You don't know who John Dean is, do
you?

Think: Watergate.... served time...

Oh, this just gets better and better. You're citing the opinion of
an
attorney ex-con? His opinion becomes more irrelevant by the minute.



Admit it...you had no idea who John Dean is...none, zip. D'oh.


I had never heard of John Dean until I read that very same article at
FindLaw just yesterday (before you posted it).




Simply amazing, but not surprising. Read more. And read more often.

What's "watergate"?

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"DSK" wrote in message
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Actually, that is a sad thing. "My side" is the side of freedom for U.S.
citizens to know what their gov't is up to... one of the founding
principles of our system.


NOYB wrote:
"Your side" is a bunch of politically driven witch-hunters.

Oh, you mean like, people that would spen $60+ million of taxpayers
hard-earned money trying to nail somebody for getting a blow job?

... If it weren't
an election year, nobody would give a damn.

That's entirely untrue. To you, it may be "no big deal" that a
fundamental liberty of U.S. citizens is being stolen. To others, it is a
very big deal.

... If the case didn't go before
the extremely liberal Clinton-appointee Emmitt Sullivan (the same guy
forcing the implementation of all of those ridiculous manatee zones),
there'd be no case.

Really?

I think you may find this interesting... note the source, a well known
libby-rull spinmeister named John Dean:

You use the opinion of a liberal attorney to refute my argument that the
only reason the case has teeth is because a liberal judge ruled that it
might? That's downright laughable. In case you haven't figured it out, I
don't have much respect for the opinions of attorneys and activist judges.

All right, NOYB FINALLY is admitting to his narrow mindedness!!!

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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Actually, that is a sad thing. "My side" is the side of freedom for
U.S.
citizens to know what their gov't is up to... one of the founding
principles of our system.


NOYB wrote:
"Your side" is a bunch of politically driven witch-hunters.

Oh, you mean like, people that would spen $60+ million of taxpayers
hard-earned money trying to nail somebody for getting a blow job?

... If it weren't
an election year, nobody would give a damn.

That's entirely untrue. To you, it may be "no big deal" that a
fundamental liberty of U.S. citizens is being stolen. To others, it is
a
very big deal.

... If the case didn't go before
the extremely liberal Clinton-appointee Emmitt Sullivan (the same
guy
forcing the implementation of all of those ridiculous manatee
zones),
there'd be no case.

Really?

I think you may find this interesting... note the source, a well known
libby-rull spinmeister named John Dean:

You use the opinion of a liberal attorney to refute my argument that the
only reason the case has teeth is because a liberal judge ruled that it
might? That's downright laughable. In case you haven't figured it out,
I
don't have much respect for the opinions of attorneys and activist
judges.

All right, NOYB FINALLY is admitting to his narrow mindedness!!!

Narrow-mindedness? Because I don't know the names of all of the people
involved in the Watergate break-in and coverup? I was 2 years old when Dean
was testifying before the Senate Watergate Committee.

NOYB wrote:
Narrow-mindedness? Because I don't know the names of all of the people
involved in the Watergate break-in and coverup?

I wouldn't call that narrowmindedness. I'd call it uneducated, or lack
of knowledge. Right up to the point where you start offering opinions
(or stating opinions strongly, including calling those who disagree
names) on the subject without any knowledge even when it's been held out
to you.

Then it becomes stupid.

... I was 2 years old when Dean
was testifying before the Senate Watergate Committee.

Still think his opinion on the secretiveness of the Bush White House is
irrelevant? Still think John Dean is a "liberal activist lawyer"?

DSK

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I was 2 years old....

Was?