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A 5' wave will break in 6.5'
more like 30 feet of water, making much of the Chesapeake incapable of supporting it, |
https://www.cnmoc.navy.mil/nmosw/tr8...text/sect4.htm
*if* you read that, dood -- and obviously you either did not or otherwise you purposely misunderstood it -- you would have noticed that it is anecdotal data not measured data that *projects* what might happen in a cat or cat 5 hurricane that makes a direct hit. geesh, dood. read for crying out loud. |
He's trying to get someone to buy into a long, inane argument on the
mathematical properties of waves. damn those laws of physics!! who the hell were those corrupt politicians who voted for them?? |
JAXAshby wrote:
hoary, have you ANY idea what fetch is? obviously you have no idea how fetch affects things, but do you even know what fetch is? From: Harry Krause Date: 8/16/2004 6:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: thunder wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:02:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: I don't know what JaxAss is trying to prove, other than being argumentative. He's trying to get someone to buy into a long, inane argument on the mathematical properties of waves. A 5' wave will break in 6.5' of water, making much of the Chesapeake incapable of supporting it, of course this disregards many other factors. It's along the edges in the mid-Bay where it shallows up. There's plenty of water once you are away from shore a ways. At the Calvert Cliffs, for example, once you are out a half mile or so, there's 20' of water, and you can watch your depth gauge drop down to 80-90' or so as you get to the channel. The comment I offered here was on the depths of water I've measured in a particular area. If you want to dispute the numbers, go right ahead. But Thunder is right: you simply are trying to suck posters into another of your long, inane arguments. In that regard, you're like that ugly old witch from Australia--Lucretia Smith. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
yeah, hoary, those damn laws of physics were voted in by corrupt politicians
and their ain't no way *you* will EVER get sucked by them. From: Harry Krause Date: 8/16/2004 8:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: JAXAshby wrote: hoary, have you ANY idea what fetch is? obviously you have no idea how fetch affects things, but do you even know what fetch is? From: Harry Krause Date: 8/16/2004 6:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: thunder wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:02:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: I don't know what JaxAss is trying to prove, other than being argumentative. He's trying to get someone to buy into a long, inane argument on the mathematical properties of waves. A 5' wave will break in 6.5' of water, making much of the Chesapeake incapable of supporting it, of course this disregards many other factors. It's along the edges in the mid-Bay where it shallows up. There's plenty of water once you are away from shore a ways. At the Calvert Cliffs, for example, once you are out a half mile or so, there's 20' of water, and you can watch your depth gauge drop down to 80-90' or so as you get to the channel. The comment I offered here was on the depths of water I've measured in a particular area. If you want to dispute the numbers, go right ahead. But Thunder is right: you simply are trying to suck posters into another of your long, inane arguments. In that regard, you're like that ugly old witch from Australia--Lucretia Smith. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
JAXAshby wrote:
yeah, hoary, those damn laws of physics were voted in by corrupt politicians and their ain't no way *you* will EVER get sucked by them. From: Harry Krause Date: 8/16/2004 8:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: JAXAshby wrote: hoary, have you ANY idea what fetch is? obviously you have no idea how fetch affects things, but do you even know what fetch is? From: Harry Krause Date: 8/16/2004 6:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: thunder wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:02:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: I don't know what JaxAss is trying to prove, other than being argumentative. He's trying to get someone to buy into a long, inane argument on the mathematical properties of waves. A 5' wave will break in 6.5' of water, making much of the Chesapeake incapable of supporting it, of course this disregards many other factors. It's along the edges in the mid-Bay where it shallows up. There's plenty of water once you are away from shore a ways. At the Calvert Cliffs, for example, once you are out a half mile or so, there's 20' of water, and you can watch your depth gauge drop down to 80-90' or so as you get to the channel. The comment I offered here was on the depths of water I've measured in a particular area. If you want to dispute the numbers, go right ahead. But Thunder is right: you simply are trying to suck posters into another of your long, inane arguments. In that regard, you're like that ugly old witch from Australia--Lucretia Smith. As I stated, I offered observations on water depths. Feel free to comment upon those observations at any time. I'm NOT interested in getting involved in another of your long, inane arguments. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JAXAshby wrote: yeah, hoary, those damn laws of physics were voted in by corrupt politicians and their ain't no way *you* will EVER get sucked by them. From: Harry Krause Date: 8/16/2004 8:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: JAXAshby wrote: hoary, have you ANY idea what fetch is? obviously you have no idea how fetch affects things, but do you even know what fetch is? From: Harry Krause Date: 8/16/2004 6:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: thunder wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:02:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: I don't know what JaxAss is trying to prove, other than being argumentative. He's trying to get someone to buy into a long, inane argument on the mathematical properties of waves. A 5' wave will break in 6.5' of water, making much of the Chesapeake incapable of supporting it, of course this disregards many other factors. It's along the edges in the mid-Bay where it shallows up. There's plenty of water once you are away from shore a ways. At the Calvert Cliffs, for example, once you are out a half mile or so, there's 20' of water, and you can watch your depth gauge drop down to 80-90' or so as you get to the channel. The comment I offered here was on the depths of water I've measured in a particular area. If you want to dispute the numbers, go right ahead. But Thunder is right: you simply are trying to suck posters into another of your long, inane arguments. In that regard, you're like that ugly old witch from Australia--Lucretia Smith. As I stated, I offered observations on water depths. Feel free to comment upon those observations at any time. I'm NOT interested in getting involved in another of your long, inane arguments. So how was that storm surge during the rain storm this weekend on the Bay? Must have been frightful, especially since it was accompanied by 3-5 footers. Scary stuff....eh Krause? |
hoary, you seem to have a major gap in your recall of what and how much you
said. And after only a few hours. geesh. From: Harry Krause Date: 8/16/2004 8:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: JAXAshby wrote: yeah, hoary, those damn laws of physics were voted in by corrupt politicians and their ain't no way *you* will EVER get sucked by them. From: Harry Krause Date: 8/16/2004 8:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: JAXAshby wrote: hoary, have you ANY idea what fetch is? obviously you have no idea how fetch affects things, but do you even know what fetch is? From: Harry Krause Date: 8/16/2004 6:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: thunder wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:02:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: I don't know what JaxAss is trying to prove, other than being argumentative. He's trying to get someone to buy into a long, inane argument on the mathematical properties of waves. A 5' wave will break in 6.5' of water, making much of the Chesapeake incapable of supporting it, of course this disregards many other factors. It's along the edges in the mid-Bay where it shallows up. There's plenty of water once you are away from shore a ways. At the Calvert Cliffs, for example, once you are out a half mile or so, there's 20' of water, and you can watch your depth gauge drop down to 80-90' or so as you get to the channel. The comment I offered here was on the depths of water I've measured in a particular area. If you want to dispute the numbers, go right ahead. But Thunder is right: you simply are trying to suck posters into another of your long, inane arguments. In that regard, you're like that ugly old witch from Australia--Lucretia Smith. As I stated, I offered observations on water depths. Feel free to comment upon those observations at any time. I'm NOT interested in getting involved in another of your long, inane arguments. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
JAXAshby wrote:
hoary, you seem to have a major gap in your recall of what and how much you said. And after only a few hours. geesh. I'm NOT interested in getting involved in another of your long, inane arguments. How's that crappy little sailbote of yours? Ready to take on Long Island Sound? -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
"WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:02:27 -0400, "jim--" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Five footers on Chesapeake Bay ain't pretty. It's not like five footers out on the ocean. On the Bay, waves that size are going to be breaking, and with the shifty winds, coming at you from several directions, and with the peaks fairly close together. Running five footers on the ocean can be fun; on the Bay, it loosens your fillings. No worse than 5 footers on shallow Lake Erie. Not fun but no big deal. Harry gives a good description of what 5 footers are on Lake Erie. Anyone that says 5 footers on Lake Erie are no big deal, watch them on tv from their living room. |
"WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:02:27 -0400, "jim--" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Five footers on Chesapeake Bay ain't pretty. It's not like five footers out on the ocean. On the Bay, waves that size are going to be breaking, and with the shifty winds, coming at you from several directions, and with the peaks fairly close together. Running five footers on the ocean can be fun; on the Bay, it loosens your fillings. No worse than 5 footers on shallow Lake Erie. Not fun but no big deal. Harry gives a good description of what 5 footers are on Lake Erie. Anyone that says 5 footers on Lake Erie are no big deal, watch them on tv from their living room. Sorry Wally, been out in 3-5's many times. No big deal. |
"WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:44:31 -0400, "jim--" wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:02:27 -0400, "jim--" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Five footers on Chesapeake Bay ain't pretty. It's not like five footers out on the ocean. On the Bay, waves that size are going to be breaking, and with the shifty winds, coming at you from several directions, and with the peaks fairly close together. Running five footers on the ocean can be fun; on the Bay, it loosens your fillings. No worse than 5 footers on shallow Lake Erie. Not fun but no big deal. Harry gives a good description of what 5 footers are on Lake Erie. Anyone that says 5 footers on Lake Erie are no big deal, watch them on tv from their living room. Sorry Wally, been out in 3-5's many times. No big deal. Three footers and five footers on Lake Erie are two completely different animals. No kidding.....especially on the west end when the wind is coming from the east. What boat do you have? |
"WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:44:31 -0400, "jim--" wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:02:27 -0400, "jim--" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Five footers on Chesapeake Bay ain't pretty. It's not like five footers out on the ocean. On the Bay, waves that size are going to be breaking, and with the shifty winds, coming at you from several directions, and with the peaks fairly close together. Running five footers on the ocean can be fun; on the Bay, it loosens your fillings. No worse than 5 footers on shallow Lake Erie. Not fun but no big deal. Harry gives a good description of what 5 footers are on Lake Erie. Anyone that says 5 footers on Lake Erie are no big deal, watch them on tv from their living room. Sorry Wally, been out in 3-5's many times. No big deal. Three footers and five footers on Lake Erie are two completely different animals. What boat do you have? I just sold a 3200 Maxum SCR. Prior to that I had a Sundancer 270. Prior to that I had a Chris Craft Scorpion 210. Any my very first boat was a 16 foot trihull for inland lakes. I have been on the water all my life. We live less than a mile from the Lake. We boated for the past 25+ years and have been in waves up to 6-8 footers with the Maxum...in fact from Leamington, Canada to Kelley's Island. We went out regularly in 3-5 footers to get to the islands. I picked up the Searay and delivered it to our dock in at least 3-5 footers. And if you don't know that waves are observed in a 3-5 foot category, as well as others, then you obviously don't boat. Yep 3-5 footers are not comfortable but they are not terrible. So what boat do you have? |
I'm NOT interested in getting involved in another of your long, inane
arguments. How's that crappy little sailbote of yours? Ready to take on Long Island Sound? see hoary? already you have forgotten that my Porta-Bote does not have the optional sailing rig. |
"WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:56:46 -0400, "jim--" wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:44:31 -0400, "jim--" wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message m... On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:02:27 -0400, "jim--" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Five footers on Chesapeake Bay ain't pretty. It's not like five footers out on the ocean. On the Bay, waves that size are going to be breaking, and with the shifty winds, coming at you from several directions, and with the peaks fairly close together. Running five footers on the ocean can be fun; on the Bay, it loosens your fillings. No worse than 5 footers on shallow Lake Erie. Not fun but no big deal. Harry gives a good description of what 5 footers are on Lake Erie. Anyone that says 5 footers on Lake Erie are no big deal, watch them on tv from their living room. Sorry Wally, been out in 3-5's many times. No big deal. Three footers and five footers on Lake Erie are two completely different animals. What boat do you have? I just sold a 3200 Maxum SCR. Prior to that I had a Sundancer 270. Prior to that I had a Chris Craft Scorpion 210. Any my very first boat was a 16 foot trihull for inland lakes. I have been on the water all my life. We live less than a mile from the Lake. Well, I live about a mile from the lake and lived on the lake for six years. Good for you. We boated for the past 25+ years and have been in waves up to 6-8 footers with the Maxum...in fact from Leamington, Canada to Kelley's Island. We went out regularly in 3-5 footers to get to the islands. Then what? Rocked and rolled on a mooring ball or rafted off to other boats bouncing like a yo-yo? Have you ever been to Kelleys and docked at Seaway? Not much rocking and rolling there. Even Unique Marker is pretty well protected. Did the mooring buoys at Put in Bay once during the day and the Lake was pretty flat though. I picked up the Searay and delivered it to our dock in at least 3-5 footers. And if you don't know that waves are observed in a 3-5 foot category, as well as others, then you obviously don't boat. Obviously Well, OK if you say so. Yep 3-5 footers are not comfortable but they are not terrible. All I can say is, I think you are not very good at judging wave height. I rely on what is being reported and my experience. White caps form at about 3. When it is 3-5 out there you will see 5 footers. Believe otherwise if you want. And you are an expert at wave heights? Ever been out in 3-5's? BTW...I would not go out in them when we had the 21 footer. So what boat do you have? http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/wallys.html So you cannot handle 5 footers in the boat? Seems like it is not the boat but the captain. Looks like Huron Lagoons Marina. We were there for 7 years. You would not happen to be that drunk across from us (when we were there on the D side) who fell in the water every weekend would you? |
"WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:56:46 -0400, "jim--" wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:44:31 -0400, "jim--" wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message m... On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:02:27 -0400, "jim--" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Five footers on Chesapeake Bay ain't pretty. It's not like five footers out on the ocean. On the Bay, waves that size are going to be breaking, and with the shifty winds, coming at you from several directions, and with the peaks fairly close together. Running five footers on the ocean can be fun; on the Bay, it loosens your fillings. No worse than 5 footers on shallow Lake Erie. Not fun but no big deal. Harry gives a good description of what 5 footers are on Lake Erie. Anyone that says 5 footers on Lake Erie are no big deal, watch them on tv from their living room. Sorry Wally, been out in 3-5's many times. No big deal. Three footers and five footers on Lake Erie are two completely different animals. What boat do you have? I just sold a 3200 Maxum SCR. Prior to that I had a Sundancer 270. Prior to that I had a Chris Craft Scorpion 210. Any my very first boat was a 16 foot trihull for inland lakes. I have been on the water all my life. We live less than a mile from the Lake. Well, I live about a mile from the lake and lived on the lake for six years. We boated for the past 25+ years and have been in waves up to 6-8 footers with the Maxum...in fact from Leamington, Canada to Kelley's Island. We went out regularly in 3-5 footers to get to the islands. Then what? Rocked and rolled on a mooring ball or rafted off to other boats bouncing like a yo-yo? I picked up the Searay and delivered it to our dock in at least 3-5 footers. And if you don't know that waves are observed in a 3-5 foot category, as well as others, then you obviously don't boat. Obviously Yep 3-5 footers are not comfortable but they are not terrible. All I can say is, I think you are not very good at judging wave height. So what boat do you have? http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/wallys.html Forgot to say, nice boat. BTW: Heading out for the Lake in 1/2 hour for a trip over the Kelleys on my friends Lyman. Maybe see you there |
I'm trying to figure out what purpose a Sunfish would have *without* a
sailing rig..... an anchor, perhaps? good question, gene. so why are you and hoary debating if my sunfish (or Sunfish) has a sailing rig or not? |
no, gene, my inflatable kayak does not need a sail, and I store it on the
foredeck of my sunfish (or is that Sunfish?) From: "Gene Kearns" Date: 8/19/2004 8:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: On 19 Aug 2004 02:27:44 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: I'm trying to figure out what purpose a Sunfish would have *without* a sailing rig..... an anchor, perhaps? good question, gene. so why are you and hoary debating if my sunfish (or Sunfish) has a sailing rig or not? Gosh, I thought we were talking about your..... uh...... inflatable kayak? -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
Gene Kearns wrote:
On 20 Aug 2004 01:33:32 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: no, gene, my inflatable kayak does not need a sail, and I store it on the foredeck of my sunfish (or is that Sunfish?) If your boat is made by Vanguard, it is a Sunfish.... if you have some other euphemism you are trying to use by not capitalizing the S.... I don't know what you are trying to say. You, attired in the Speedos, piloting a Sunfish with an inflatable kayak on the foredeck........ would, most assuredly, be quite a sight. Mine was made by Alcort, in Waterbury, Connecticut...so there! -- Save America - Defeat Bush! |
gune, sunfish (even Sunfish) have been made for over a half century. that is,
in fact, well before the Vanguard Corp was ever thought of. way to go, yo-yo. From: "Gene Kearns" Date: 8/19/2004 10:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: On 20 Aug 2004 01:33:32 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: no, gene, my inflatable kayak does not need a sail, and I store it on the foredeck of my sunfish (or is that Sunfish?) If your boat is made by Vanguard, it is a Sunfish.... if you have some other euphemism you are trying to use by not capitalizing the S.... I don't know what you are trying to say. You, attired in the Speedos, piloting a Sunfish with an inflatable kayak on the foredeck........ would, most assuredly, be quite a sight. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
I'm well aware of that, Jax
so, why did you say you weren't aware of that? a senior moment, gune? |
gune, Sunfish (the brand name) have been in production over 50 years, not the
25 or 30 years you stated. I believe (meaning I could be wrong) that all production Sunfish from sometime in the late '50's or early '60's were fiberglass. I believe that Sunfish (the brand name) plans were available from Sunfish (the brand name) to the public until sometime in the '60's, and these homemade sunfish were made of plywood, as the original Sunfish were (though the orginal Sunfish, I believe, had no footwell). gune, my use of lower case and upper case was an effort at levity (which is quite different from, trust me on this one gune, levitate), that seems utterly beyond any rational world you inhabit on a day by day basis. I'm well aware of that, Jax so, why did you say you weren't aware of that? a senior moment, gune? I didn't, Jax. In the late 60's they were still Sunfish.... all wood, perhaps, but Sunfish, nevertheless. What I said was that I didn't understand what sort of importance *you* attached to your frequent mention of capitalization quirks a la "sunfish (even Sunfish)." You still haven't explained yourself. Again, what is it that you are trying to say? -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
gune, like all with low IQ's, is utterly lacking in the capability to
understand levity, or levitate. gune, my use of lower case and upper case was an effort at levity (which is quite different from, trust me on this one gune, levitate), that seems utterly beyond any rational world you inhabit on a day by day basis. sunfish (even Sunfish) oh, OH, OHHH!!!....... ROFLMAO, how hilarious... little s, BIG S ..... Oh, Geeze... stop it, you're killing me....... ROFLMAO, again. Can you do that with any other letters? -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
gune shows us -- though I am sure did not intend so -- that he can google, as
indicated by his use of a specific year. there is no reason for him to know that unless he worked at the factory, obviously not the case as shown by his lack of mentioning it and his lack of understanding between a Sunfish and a sunfish. I believe (meaning I could be wrong) that all production Sunfish from sometime in the late '50's or early '60's were fiberglass. Maybe we had old boats... they were wood. The date you are reaching for is 1959. |
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