Surf is a wave.

not for long

hoary, you are delusional.

From: Harry Krause
Date: 8/15/2004 3:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Calif Bill wrote:

Surf is a wave.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, bill, "surf" means **breaking** waves, waves that don't travel all
that
far.



I agree completely. Surf is a wave. Further, it is patently obvious that
a number of those who have ocmmented here haven't a frippin' clue as to
what happens or may happen in an ocean coastal area during a serious storm.

Last year, during the hurricane, Bay waters were pushed by tides, wide
and surge five city blocks up into the town of Chesapeake Beach. There
were four foot waves breaking over several parking lots and part of the
main street. Several of the houses blocks uphill from the Bay had high
water marks on them shingles four to five feet off the ground.

I suspect dockside boaters like Dennis and would stain their shorts if
they ever had to run one of our rougher Atlantic Ocean inlets. I've seen
lake boaters like him look at what was involved and turn the helm over
to someone who had some idea of what to do.

I don't know what JaxAss is trying to prove, other than being
argumentative. He's got a dippy little sailbote that doesn't look as if
it could safely cross Long Island Sound.


--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

JAXAshby wrote:
Surf is a wave.

not for long


Gee, JaxAss, how long does a wave have to be a wave before it is
considered a wave?

Got any data?

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

JAXAshby wrote:

hoary, you are delusional.

I don't know what JaxAss is trying to prove, other than being
argumentative. He's got a dippy little sailbote that doesn't look as if
it could safely cross Long Island Sound.


Oh? You sold that clapped out little sailbote?

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

hoary, *you* were talking about those demon five foot waves breaking through
downtown Balto, not me. I was just pointing that should one exist at all --
and unlikely situation given the shallow depth of the Bay -- it won't exist for
very long, certainly not long enough to make it even thirty feet up the first
street it hits.

From: Harry Krause
Date: 8/15/2004 4:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:
Surf is a wave.

not for long


Gee, JaxAss, how long does a wave have to be a wave before it is
considered a wave?

Got any data?

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

which bote (sic) is that, hoary? my porta-bote (which has not sail) or my
Achilles (which has no sail) or my inflatable kayak (which has no sail) of the
bote (sic) which carries all those other botes (sic) and which does have a
sail?

From: Harry Krause
Date: 8/15/2004 4:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:

hoary, you are delusional.

I don't know what JaxAss is trying to prove, other than being
argumentative. He's got a dippy little sailbote that doesn't look as if
it could safely cross Long Island Sound.


Oh? You sold that clapped out little sailbote?

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

JAXAshby wrote:

hoary, *you* were talking about those demon five foot waves breaking through
downtown Balto, not me.

Nope. Never mentioned Bal'Mer.
But four footers were running down the main street of Chesapeake Beach.


I was just pointing that should one exist at all --
and unlikely situation given the shallow depth of the Bay -- it won't exist for
very long, certainly not long enough to make it even thirty feet up the first
street it hits.

The main streets of Chesapeake Beach run parallel to the beach, sort of
like a boardwalk does. A substantial storm surge pushed up into the
town, with four foot waves on the surge. The surge was huge, the biggest
ever recorded on that part of the Bay, if my recollection is correct.

Got the picture now, JaxAss, or are you still going to maintain that an
event you know nothing about happened differently than it did, because
your peabrain cannot conjure it?

You still trolling for guys in that Speedo swimsuit? There's a couple of
righties in here who will give you a tumble.




--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

JAXAshby wrote:

which bote (sic) is that, hoary? my porta-bote (which has not sail) or my
Achilles (which has no sail) or my inflatable kayak (which has no sail) of the
bote (sic) which carries all those other botes (sic) and which does have a
sail?


Your clapped-out old sailbote...the one that wouldn't make it from
Milford to Port Jeff. If you could find Port Jeff.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

hoary, you are delusional.

From: Harry Krause
Date: 8/15/2004 5:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:

hoary, *you* were talking about those demon five foot waves breaking
through
downtown Balto, not me.

Nope. Never mentioned Bal'Mer.
But four footers were running down the main street of Chesapeake Beach.


I was just pointing that should one exist at all --
and unlikely situation given the shallow depth of the Bay -- it won't exist
for
very long, certainly not long enough to make it even thirty feet up the
first
street it hits.

The main streets of Chesapeake Beach run parallel to the beach, sort of
like a boardwalk does. A substantial storm surge pushed up into the
town, with four foot waves on the surge. The surge was huge, the biggest
ever recorded on that part of the Bay, if my recollection is correct.

Got the picture now, JaxAss, or are you still going to maintain that an
event you know nothing about happened differently than it did, because
your peabrain cannot conjure it?

You still trolling for guys in that Speedo swimsuit? There's a couple of
righties in here who will give you a tumble.




--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Your clapped-out old sailbote...the one that wouldn't make it from
Milford to Port Jeff. If you could find Port Jeff.


hoary, that was not my boat, but rather someone else's. and we were going from
milford to port jeff. and we had the stacks at PJ in sight. and we weren't
going to PJ.

hoary, you have lost touch with reality. *you* said five to six foot waves
were running up the streets. that is not possible, storm surge or no storm
surge. the water just ain't deep enough, hoary, to support five foot waves.
not even close.

From: Harry Krause
Date: 8/15/2004 5:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:

hoary, you are delusional.

From: Harry Krause
Date: 8/15/2004 5:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:

hoary, *you* were talking about those demon five foot waves breaking
through
downtown Balto, not me.

Nope. Never mentioned Bal'Mer.
But four footers were running down the main street of Chesapeake Beach.


I was just pointing that should one exist at all --
and unlikely situation given the shallow depth of the Bay -- it won't
exist
for
very long, certainly not long enough to make it even thirty feet up the
first
street it hits.

The main streets of Chesapeake Beach run parallel to the beach, sort of
like a boardwalk does. A substantial storm surge pushed up into the
town, with four foot waves on the surge. The surge was huge, the biggest
ever recorded on that part of the Bay, if my recollection is correct.

Got the picture now, JaxAss, or are you still going to maintain that an
event you know nothing about happened differently than it did, because
your peabrain cannot conjure it?

You still trolling for guys in that Speedo swimsuit? There's a couple of
righties in here who will give you a tumble.


On what basis, JaxAss? Are you saying that a huge surge didn't come
across at many points in Ches Bay last year? It is well-documented. I
saw the waves at Ches Beach. I was there. I live very, very closeby.
Surf was crashing on lawns a good half mile from the normal high water
mark.



--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

JAXAshby wrote:

hoary, you have lost touch with reality. *you* said five to six foot waves
were running up the streets. that is not possible, storm surge or no storm
surge. the water just ain't deep enough, hoary, to support five foot waves.
not even close.

Go peddle your "dead" reckoning somewhere else, asshole.
Ta-ta.




--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Your clapped-out old sailbote...the one that wouldn't make it from
Milford to Port Jeff. If you could find Port Jeff.


hoary, that was not my boat, but rather someone else's. and we wereN'T going
from
milford to port jeff. and we had the stacks at PJ in sight. and we weren't
going to PJ.

Jax, let me translate Harry speak for you:

"I live in Maryland and if I say their were 5' waves running up and down the
street it has to be true.

Did you tell you about my Lobster Boat? It is better than anything you will
ever own. Did I tell you about the time I sailed around the horn? I did it
3 times, so try to beat that one.

.... and my wife is smarter than any woman you will ever meet. She is one of
the few social workers with a MD degree and a PHD... so there.

I can't refute what you are saying, so I am going to pretend I have you
filtered, and I will not respond to anything you say, unless I use my
anonymous Usenet account. "



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JAXAshby wrote:

hoary, you have lost touch with reality. *you* said five to six foot
waves
were running up the streets. that is not possible, storm surge or no
storm
surge. the water just ain't deep enough, hoary, to support five foot
waves.
not even close.

Go peddle your "dead" reckoning somewhere else, asshole.
Ta-ta.




--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

is ta-ta hoary's way of saying that got caught yet again forgeting what he said
just hours ago?

From: Harry Krause
Date: 8/15/2004 5:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:

hoary, you have lost touch with reality. *you* said five to six foot waves
were running up the streets. that is not possible, storm surge or no storm
surge. the water just ain't deep enough, hoary, to support five foot
waves.
not even close.

Go peddle your "dead" reckoning somewhere else, asshole.
Ta-ta.




--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

JohnH wrote:

On 15 Aug 2004 15:54:58 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

Anyone caught in a thunderstorm on the bay has probably been in 5-6 footers,
or
worse.

not from a thunderstorm they haven't. t-storms don't last long enough to make
5 foot let alone 6 foot waves.

Unless, one is telling the story in a bar later.

Wow, Jax, I didn't realize you boated in the Chesapeake Bay! You seem to know
everything about everything, like Harry.

Poor dumb John...another fool suckered in by the dark side but living
off liberal programs.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:19:49 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:

On 15 Aug 2004 15:54:58 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

Anyone caught in a thunderstorm on the bay has probably been in 5-6 footers,
or
worse.

not from a thunderstorm they haven't. t-storms don't last long enough to make
5 foot let alone 6 foot waves.

Unless, one is telling the story in a bar later.

Wow, Jax, I didn't realize you boated in the Chesapeake Bay! You seem to know
everything about everything, like Harry.

Poor dumb John...another fool suckered in by the dark side but living
off liberal programs.


You don't have to worry Harry, with your 35 foot Lobster boat a 5 foot
wave wouldn't even break over the bow.


Regards
John S

Harry told us his 35 ft. Lobster Boat was tied up at his dock next to his
"Lake Estate". Since he also told us the water in his inlet was only 2 to
3' deep, he will have a lot to worry about when the 5' waves drop his boat
onto the rocks.

I was very surprised that a 35' Lobster Boat only had a draft of less than
2'. Must be because it was custom ordered. ; )




"John S" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:19:49 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:

On 15 Aug 2004 15:54:58 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

Anyone caught in a thunderstorm on the bay has probably been in 5-6
footers,
or
worse.

not from a thunderstorm they haven't. t-storms don't last long enough
to make
5 foot let alone 6 foot waves.

Unless, one is telling the story in a bar later.

Wow, Jax, I didn't realize you boated in the Chesapeake Bay! You seem
to know
everything about everything, like Harry.

Poor dumb John...another fool suckered in by the dark side but living
off liberal programs.


You don't have to worry Harry, with your 35 foot Lobster boat a 5 foot
wave wouldn't even break over the bow.


Regards
John S

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:37:31 GMT, "Comcast News"
wrote:

I am happy to hear that Harry has a Lake Estate that he and his Doctor
Doctor wife can enjoy. It provides him the time to post in rec.boats
any topic of his choosing. The guy is just plain brilliant ;)

Did I mention that I know someone that has a Doctor Doctor Doctor
Doctor wife and has a 40 foot Lobster boat on Lake Huron? I hope that
does not put Harry into second place of boasting (or lying) about his
life.

Harry told us his 35 ft. Lobster Boat was tied up at his dock next to his
"Lake Estate". Since he also told us the water in his inlet was only 2 to
3' deep, he will have a lot to worry about when the 5' waves drop his boat
onto the rocks.

I was very surprised that a 35' Lobster Boat only had a draft of less than
2'. Must be because it was custom ordered. ; )




"John S" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:19:49 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:

On 15 Aug 2004 15:54:58 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

Anyone caught in a thunderstorm on the bay has probably been in 5-6
footers,
or
worse.

not from a thunderstorm they haven't. t-storms don't last long enough
to make
5 foot let alone 6 foot waves.

Unless, one is telling the story in a bar later.

Wow, Jax, I didn't realize you boated in the Chesapeake Bay! You seem
to know
everything about everything, like Harry.

Poor dumb John...another fool suckered in by the dark side but living
off liberal programs.


You don't have to worry Harry, with your 35 foot Lobster boat a 5 foot
wave wouldn't even break over the bow.


Regards
John S



Regards
John S

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:25:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:

The latest forecast for Chesapeake Bay:

Tonight
NE wind increasing to 25 to 30 kt with gusts up to 40 kt...then N 35 to
40 kt with gusts up to 50 kt after midnight. Waves 2 ft...building to 5
ft after midnight. Widespread heavy rain and scattered tstms in the
evening tapering to scattered showers overnight.


Gusts up to 50 mph? On the Bay...

Too bad it'll be dark...watching five footers or more on the Bay would
be a sight to see.

It's not uncommon for 5-footers in English Bay. Calm out there this
weekend, though: tried fishing off the Pink Appts, anchored off Wreck
Beach and took Near Cove in, then motored over to Kits beach, anchored,
and took Near Cove to Bard On The Beach. Spent the night anchored, then
docked at Granville Island this afternoon for some shopping. Just got
back: What an Excellent "West Coast Weekend"!

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

Wow, Jax, I didn't realize you boated in the Chesapeake Bay!

been there.

also been in t-storms.

also understand the physics involved.

obviously ...

.... you, little john boy, have not.

yeah, that is it. yup. for sure.

..

From: Harry Krause
Date: 8/15/2004 8:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JohnH wrote:

On 15 Aug 2004 15:54:58 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

Anyone caught in a thunderstorm on the bay has probably been in 5-6
footers,
or
worse.

not from a thunderstorm they haven't. t-storms don't last long enough to
make
5 foot let alone 6 foot waves.

Unless, one is telling the story in a bar later.

Wow, Jax, I didn't realize you boated in the Chesapeake Bay! You seem to
know
everything about everything, like Harry.

Poor dumb John...another fool suckered in by the dark side but living
off liberal programs.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:25:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:

The latest forecast for Chesapeake Bay:

Tonight
NE wind increasing to 25 to 30 kt with gusts up to 40 kt...then N 35 to
40 kt with gusts up to 50 kt after midnight. Waves 2 ft...building to 5
ft after midnight. Widespread heavy rain and scattered tstms in the
evening tapering to scattered showers overnight.


Gusts up to 50 mph? On the Bay...

Too bad it'll be dark...watching five footers or more on the Bay would
be a sight to see.

It's not uncommon for 5-footers in English Bay. Calm out there this
weekend, though: tried fishing off the Pink Appts, anchored off Wreck
Beach and took Near Cove in, then motored over to Kits beach, anchored,
and took Near Cove to Bard On The Beach. Spent the night anchored, then
docked at Granville Island this afternoon for some shopping. Just got
back: What an Excellent "West Coast Weekend"!

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36



Five footers on Chesapeake Bay ain't pretty. It's not like five footers
out on the ocean. On the Bay, waves that size are going to be breaking,
and with the shifty winds, coming at you from several directions, and
with the peaks fairly close together. Running five footers on the ocean
can be fun; on the Bay, it loosens your fillings.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:25:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:

The latest forecast for Chesapeake Bay:

Tonight
NE wind increasing to 25 to 30 kt with gusts up to 40 kt...then N 35 to
40 kt with gusts up to 50 kt after midnight. Waves 2 ft...building to 5
ft after midnight. Widespread heavy rain and scattered tstms in the
evening tapering to scattered showers overnight.


Gusts up to 50 mph? On the Bay...

Too bad it'll be dark...watching five footers or more on the Bay would
be a sight to see.

It's not uncommon for 5-footers in English Bay. Calm out there this
weekend, though: tried fishing off the Pink Appts, anchored off Wreck
Beach and took Near Cove in, then motored over to Kits beach, anchored,
and took Near Cove to Bard On The Beach. Spent the night anchored, then
docked at Granville Island this afternoon for some shopping. Just got
back: What an Excellent "West Coast Weekend"!

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36



Five footers on Chesapeake Bay ain't pretty. It's not like five footers
out on the ocean. On the Bay, waves that size are going to be breaking,
and with the shifty winds, coming at you from several directions, and
with the peaks fairly close together. Running five footers on the ocean
can be fun; on the Bay, it loosens your fillings.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:25:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:

The latest forecast for Chesapeake Bay:

Tonight
NE wind increasing to 25 to 30 kt with gusts up to 40 kt...then N 35 to
40 kt with gusts up to 50 kt after midnight. Waves 2 ft...building to 5
ft after midnight. Widespread heavy rain and scattered tstms in the
evening tapering to scattered showers overnight.


Gusts up to 50 mph? On the Bay...

Too bad it'll be dark...watching five footers or more on the Bay would
be a sight to see.

It's not uncommon for 5-footers in English Bay. Calm out there this
weekend, though: tried fishing off the Pink Appts, anchored off Wreck
Beach and took Near Cove in, then motored over to Kits beach, anchored,
and took Near Cove to Bard On The Beach. Spent the night anchored, then
docked at Granville Island this afternoon for some shopping. Just got
back: What an Excellent "West Coast Weekend"!

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36



Five footers on Chesapeake Bay ain't pretty. It's not like five footers
out on the ocean. On the Bay, waves that size are going to be breaking,
and with the shifty winds, coming at you from several directions, and
with the peaks fairly close together. Running five footers on the ocean
can be fun; on the Bay, it loosens your fillings.



No worse than 5 footers on shallow Lake Erie. Not fun but no big deal.

Five footers on Chesapeake Bay ain't pretty. It's not like five footers
out on the ocean.

obviously. five footers on the Bay are a once in a lifetime thing whispered
about in bars for decades afterwards.

JAXAshby wrote:

Five footers on Chesapeake Bay ain't pretty. It's not like five footers
out on the ocean.

obviously. five footers on the Bay are a once in a lifetime thing whispered
about in bars for decades afterwards.

You really don't know **** from shineola, fella. While such waves are
not common, we do get them, and we have shifty winds, and they're
usually breaking, especially in some of the navigable bays. Choppy,
annoying stuff.

Five footers on the ocean are common as that cheapo plastic sailboat of
yours.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

No worse than 5 footers on shallow Lake Erie. Not fun but no big deal.

no, 5 footers on the Bay -- should they EVER exist -- would be trouble.

JAXAshby wrote:

No worse than 5 footers on shallow Lake Erie. Not fun but no big deal.

no, 5 footers on the Bay -- should they EVER exist -- would be trouble.

That depends upon the skill of the boat captain and the capabilities of
the boat. It would be trouble for you and your blistered little sailbote.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

hoary? ANY idea in that pea sized brain of yours of the relationship between
wave height and water depth?

ob vi ah frichken us us ly not.


From: Harry Krause
Date: 8/15/2004 10:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:

Five footers on Chesapeake Bay ain't pretty. It's not like five footers
out on the ocean.

obviously. five footers on the Bay are a once in a lifetime thing
whispered
about in bars for decades afterwards.

You really don't know **** from shineola, fella. While such waves are
not common, we do get them, and we have shifty winds, and they're
usually breaking, especially in some of the navigable bays. Choppy,
annoying stuff.

Five footers on the ocean are common as that cheapo plastic sailboat of
yours.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

hoary, you are delusional.

JAXAshby wrote:
hoary? ANY idea in that pea sized brain of yours of the relationship between
wave height and water depth?

Sure, Jax. Any idea of the impact of wind on water? How about surge,
Jax:? Even seen a 15'storm surge?





--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JAXAshby wrote:

No worse than 5 footers on shallow Lake Erie. Not fun but no big deal.

no, 5 footers on the Bay -- should they EVER exist -- would be trouble.

That depends upon the skill of the boat captain and the capabilities of
the boat. It would be trouble for you and your blistered little sailbote.

Which speaks volumes for your ability to pilot a real boat.

Bert Robbins wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JAXAshby wrote:

No worse than 5 footers on shallow Lake Erie. Not fun but no big deal.

no, 5 footers on the Bay -- should they EVER exist -- would be trouble.

That depends upon the skill of the boat captain and the capabilities of
the boat. It would be trouble for you and your blistered little sailbote.

Which speaks volumes for your ability to pilot a real boat.



Bertie, we're talking boats here, not your Sevlor.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

yes. yes. and yes.

hoary? ANY idea in that pea sized brain of yours of the relationship
between
wave height and water depth?

Sure, Jax. Any idea of the impact of wind on water? How about surge,
Jax:? Even seen a 15'storm surge?





--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

JAXAshby wrote:

yes. yes. and yes.

hoary? ANY idea in that pea sized brain of yours of the relationship
between
wave height and water depth?

Sure, Jax. Any idea of the impact of wind on water? How about surge,
Jax:? Even seen a 15'storm surge?



OK...how deep must the water usually be at high tide 3' off the
shoreline for a 15' storm surge?



--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

three feet.

how high must storm surge be a hundred yards from shore to make for storm surge
of 15 feet on shore?

How high must water be over the bottom to support five foot waves?

From: Harry Krause
Date: 8/15/2004 10:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:

yes. yes. and yes.

hoary? ANY idea in that pea sized brain of yours of the relationship
between
wave height and water depth?

Sure, Jax. Any idea of the impact of wind on water? How about surge,
Jax:? Even seen a 15'storm surge?



OK...how deep must the water usually be at high tide 3' off the
shoreline for a 15' storm surge?



--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Harry,
I am sure you would stain your pants if you were out in 2' waves.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:25:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:

The latest forecast for Chesapeake Bay:

Tonight
NE wind increasing to 25 to 30 kt with gusts up to 40 kt...then N 35 to
40 kt with gusts up to 50 kt after midnight. Waves 2 ft...building to 5
ft after midnight. Widespread heavy rain and scattered tstms in the
evening tapering to scattered showers overnight.


Gusts up to 50 mph? On the Bay...

Too bad it'll be dark...watching five footers or more on the Bay would
be a sight to see.

It's not uncommon for 5-footers in English Bay. Calm out there this
weekend, though: tried fishing off the Pink Appts, anchored off Wreck
Beach and took Near Cove in, then motored over to Kits beach, anchored,
and took Near Cove to Bard On The Beach. Spent the night anchored, then
docked at Granville Island this afternoon for some shopping. Just got
back: What an Excellent "West Coast Weekend"!

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36



Five footers on Chesapeake Bay ain't pretty. It's not like five footers
out on the ocean. On the Bay, waves that size are going to be breaking,
and with the shifty winds, coming at you from several directions, and
with the peaks fairly close together. Running five footers on the ocean
can be fun; on the Bay, it loosens your fillings.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:02:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:


I don't know what JaxAss is trying to prove, other than being
argumentative.

He's trying to get someone to buy into a long, inane argument on the
mathematical properties of waves. A 5' wave will break in 6.5' of water,
making much of the Chesapeake incapable of supporting it, of course this
disregards many other factors.

" Wave heights in the Harbor (Baltimore) are minimal. The maximum wave
height that can be expected is 5 ft."

"Dependent on the wind speed and duration, winds from the north or south
have the greatest fetch in Chesapeake Bay. Pilots indicate that wave
heights in the upper Bay do not normally exceed 6 ft during severe
weather. However, the width of the lower Bay provides considerable fetch
for strong westerly or easterly winds that could be associated with
tropical cyclones. Easterly winds can produce the highest waves at the Bay
mouth that can result in wave heights of 10 ft or more."

From:

https://www.cnmoc.navy.mil/nmosw/tr8...text/sect4.htm

thunder wrote:

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:02:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:


I don't know what JaxAss is trying to prove, other than being
argumentative.

He's trying to get someone to buy into a long, inane argument on the
mathematical properties of waves. A 5' wave will break in 6.5' of water,
making much of the Chesapeake incapable of supporting it, of course this
disregards many other factors.

It's along the edges in the mid-Bay where it shallows up. There's plenty
of water once you are away from shore a ways. At the Calvert Cliffs, for
example, once you are out a half mile or so, there's 20' of water, and
you can watch your depth gauge drop down to 80-90' or so as you get to
the channel.



" Wave heights in the Harbor (Baltimore) are minimal. The maximum wave
height that can be expected is 5 ft."

"Dependent on the wind speed and duration, winds from the north or south
have the greatest fetch in Chesapeake Bay. Pilots indicate that wave
heights in the upper Bay do not normally exceed 6 ft during severe
weather. However, the width of the lower Bay provides considerable fetch
for strong westerly or easterly winds that could be associated with
tropical cyclones. Easterly winds can produce the highest waves at the Bay
mouth that can result in wave heights of 10 ft or more."

From:

https://www.cnmoc.navy.mil/nmosw/tr8...text/sect4.htm



--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002