"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Your boy Clinton was a master at this type of *double speak*.


Really, he was.

For example.

After being asked about his alleged underhanded dealings in (place
your favorite BC snafu here),

He would respond with something like this:

"There is no evidence to support that"

Meaning,

Yea, I might have done the dastardly thing but you'll never
find any proof of it.

Should the "Same Standards" apply to ALL presidents?

db

I miss your point, I hope. Are you suggesting that because Clinton, Nixon,
and
a host of previous presidents have been caught lying to the American
public
that we should just expect no better and be willing to accept this conduct
from
the Leader of the Free World?

Nope.

No one likes being mislead.

db




Clinton failed an important moral test.
I have never condoned his lying about the Lewinski affair. He blew it,
(literally and figuratively).

Found elsewhere.
Offered without comment, except that I am still busy checking stated
sources.
Interesting reading, if nothing else.
Note the dates, this goes back a while.
Bon appetite.


A TIMELINE SURROUNDING SEPTEMBER 11TH - IF CIA AND THE GOVERNMENT
WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS
WHAT WERE THEY DOING?
by Michael C. Ruppert
[© COPYRIGHT 2001, All Rights Reserved, Michael C. Ruppert and From
The Wilderness Publications, www.fromthewilderness.com. May be copied
and distributed for non-profit purposes only.]
[Expanded and Revised Sept. 4, 2002 - Evidence of Bush Administration
Foreknowledge and complicity is now overwhelming. Since our last
revision July 11, 2002, 16 New Items! (noted in RED)]

Nov. 2, 2001, 12:00 PST -- On Oct. 31 the French daily Le Figaro
dropped a bombshell. While in a Dubai hospital receiving treatment for
a chronic kidney infection last July, Osama bin Laden met with a top
CIA official -- presumably the chief of station. The meeting, held in
bin Laden's private suite, took place at the American hospital in
Dubai at a time when he was a wanted fugitive for the bombings of two
U.S. embassies and last year's attack on the USS Cole. Bin Laden was
eligible for execution according to a 2000 intelligence finding issued
by President Bill Clinton before leaving office in January. Yet on
July 14, 2001 he was allowed to leave Dubai on a private jet, and
there were no Navy fighters waiting to force him down.
In 1985 Oliver North -- the only member of the Reagan-Bush years who
doesn't appear to have a hand in the current war -- sent the Navy and
commandos after terrorists on the cruise ship Achille Lauro. In his
1991 autobiography "Under Fire," while describing terrorist Abu Abbas
North wrote, "I used to wonder: how many dead Americans will it take
before we do something?" One could look at the number of Americans
Osama bin Laden is alleged to have killed before Sept. 11 and ask the
same question.
It gets worse, much worse. A more complete timeline listing crucial
events both before and after the Sept. 11 suicide attacks, which have
been blamed on bin Laden, establishes CIA foreknowledge of them and
strongly suggests that there was criminal complicity on the part of
the U.S. government in their execution. It also makes clear that the
events that have taken place since Sept. 11 are based upon an agenda
that has little to do with the attacks.
[June 19, 2002] -- As the revelations of Bush Administration
foreknowledge have progressed from silence, to trickle, to cascade,
the question has now changed from forcing the evidence into the open
into one of forcing both the media and the people to avoid denying
this information in the hopes that their desire for a sense of
"normalcy" can be fulfilled. As many of us have known for years,
normalcy went out the window forever when the first plane hit the
tower. And what has been revealed will not be resolved with an
expensive fact-finding commission, a few firing, or even an
impeachment proceeding. What is needed in America -- and in the global
economic system -- is an overhaul, not a tune up.
1. 1991-1997 - Major U.S. oil companies including ExxonMobil, Texaco,
Unocal, BP Amoco, Shell and Enron directly invest billions in cash
bribing heads of state in Kazakhstan to secure equity rights in the
huge oil reserves in these regions. The oil companies further commit
to future direct investments in Kazakhstan of $35 billion. Not being
willing to pay exorbitant prices to Russia to use Russian pipelines,
the major oil companies have no way to recoup their investments.
[Source: "The Price of Oil" by Seymour Hersh, The New Yorker, July 9,
2001 - The Asia Times, "The Roving Eye Part I Jan. 26, 2002.]
2. January 1995 - Philippine police investigating a possible attack
on the Pope uncover plans for Operation Bojinka, connected to World
Trade Center (WTC) bomber Ramsi Youssef. Parts of the plan call for
crashing hijacked airliners into civilian targets. Details of the plan
are disclosed in Youssef's 1997 trial for the 1993 WTC bombing.
[Source: Agence France-Presse, Dec. 7, 2001]
3. Dec. 4, 1997 - Representatives of the Taliban are invited guests
to the Texas headquarters of Unocal to negotiate their support for the
pipeline. Subsequent reports will indicate that the negotiations
failed, allegedly because the Taliban wanted too much money. [Source:
The BBC, Dec. 4, 1997]
4. Feb. 12, 1998 - Unocal Vice President John J. Maresca -- later to
become a special ambassador to Afghanistan -- testifies before the
House that until a single, unified, friendly government is in place in
Afghanistan, the trans-Afghani pipeline needed to monetize the oil
will not be built. [Source: Testimony before the House International
Relations Committee.]
5. August 1998 - After the U.S. cruise missile attacks on Al Qaeda
targets in Afghanistan in retaliation for the African embassy
bombings, Unocal officially withdraws from participation in the
CentGas trans-Afghani gas pipeline project. [Various sources, Unocal]
6. 1998 - The CIA ignores warnings from Case Officer Robert Baer that
Saudi Arabia was harboring an Al Qaeda cell led by two known
terrorists. A more detailed list of known terrorists is offered to
Saudi intelligence in August 2001 and refused. [Source: Financial
Times Jan. 21, 2001; "See No Evil" by Robert Baer (release date
February 2002)]
7. April 1999 - Enron with a $3 billion investment to build an
electrical generating plant at Dabhol, India loses access to plentiful
LNG supplies from Qatar to fuel the plant. Its only remaining option
to make the investment profitable is a trans-Afghani gas pipeline to
be built by Unocal from Turkmenistan that would terminate near the
Indian border at the city of Multan. [Source: The Albion Monitor, Feb.
28, 2002]
8. July 4, 1999 - President Clinton signs Executive Order 13129,
which freezes Taliban assets in the U.S. and prohibits trade between
the Afghan fundamentalist regime and U.S. entities. [Source: Federal
Register, Vol. 64, No. 129, July 7, 1999]
9. 1998 and 2000 - Former President George H.W. Bush travels to Saudi
Arabia on behalf of the privately owned Carlyle Group, the 11th
largest defense contractor in the U.S. While there he meets privately
with the Saudi royal family and the bin Laden family. [Source: Wall
Street Journal, Sept. 27, 2001. See also FTW, Vol. IV, No. 7 - "The
Best Enemies Money Can Buy"
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/carlyle.html]
10. March 2000 - An FBI agent, reportedly angry over a glitch in
Carnivore that has somehow mixed innocent non-targeted emails with
those belonging to Al Qaeda, destroys all of the FBI's Denver-based
intercepts of bin Laden's colleagues in a terrorist investigation.
[Source: The Washington Post, May 29, 2002]
11. 2000 (est.) - The FBI refuses to disclose the date of an internal
memo stating that a Middle Eastern nation had been trying to purchase
a flight simulator. [Source: Los Angeles Times, May 30, 2002]
12. August 2000 -- Suspected Al Qaeda operatives wiretapped by
Italian police made apparent references to plans for major attacks
involving airports, airplanes and the United States according to
transcripts obtained by the Los Angeles Times. The Times suggests that
the information might not have been passed to U.S. authorities (hard
to believe), but it did report that Italian authorities would not
comment on the report. The Times also noted that "Italian and U.S.
anti-terrorism experts cooperate closely." [Source: The Los Angeles
Times, May 29, 2002]
13. Oct. 24-26, 2000 - Pentagon officials carry out a "detailed"
emergency drill based upon the crashing of a hijacked airliner into
the Pentagon. [Source: The Mirror, May 24, 2002]
14. January 2001 - The Bush Administration orders the FBI and
intelligence agencies to "back off" investigations involving the bin
Laden family, including two of Osama bin Laden's relatives (Abdullah
and Omar) who were living in Falls Church, Va. -- right next to CIA
headquarters. This followed previous orders dating back to 1996 that
frustrated efforts to investigate the bin Laden family. [Source: BBC
Newsnight, Correspondent Gregg Palast, Nov. 7, 2001]
15. Jan. 30, 2001 - Sept. 11 hijacker Ziad Jarrah was questioned in
the United Arab Emirates (UAE). A number of UAE, Middle Eastern,
European, and U.S. sources were cited in this CNN report, which said
the CIA requested Jarrah be interrogated because he had been in
Afghanistan and was suspected to have ties to terrorists. An unnamed
CIA spokesman said the other sources' claims that the agency knew
anything about Jarrah before Sept. 11 were "flatly untrue." Jarrah's
Jan. 30 detainment at the airport in Dubai, UAE came six months after
he took flying lessons in the U.S. Jarrah was released because "U.S.
officials were satisfied," said the report. [Source: CNN, Aug. 1, 2002
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/08/01/cia...er/index.html]
16. Feb. 13, 2001 - UPI terrorism correspondent Richard Sale -- while
covering a trial of bin Laden's Al Qaeda followers -- reports that the
National Security Agency has broken bin Laden's encrypted
communications. Even if this indicates that bin Laden changed systems
in February, it does not mesh with the fact that the government
insists that the attacks had been planned for years.
17. May 2001 - Secretary of State Colin Powell gives $43 million in
aid to the Taliban regime, purportedly to assist hungry farmers who
are starving since the destruction of their opium crop in January on
orders of the Taliban regime. [Source: Los Angeles Times, May 22,
2001]
18. May 2001 - Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, a career
covert operative and former Navy Seal, travels to India on a
publicized tour, while CIA Director George Tenet makes a quiet visit
to Pakistan to meet with Pakistani leader Gen. Pervez Musharraf.
Armitage has long and deep Pakistani intelligence connections. It
would be reasonable to assume that while in Islamabad, Tenet, in what
was described as "an unusually long meeting," also met with his
Pakistani counterpart, Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmad, head of the ISI.
[Source: The Indian SAPRA news agency, May 22, 2001]
19. June 2001 - German intelligence, the BND, warns the CIA and
Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists are "planning to hijack
commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of
American and Israeli culture." [Source: Frankfurter Allgemeine
Zeitung, Sept. 14, 2001; See
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...ng_story.html]
20. June 8, 2001 - Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL) publishes
a story headlined, "Central Asia: Charges Link Russian Military to
Drug Trade." According to the article, figures for 1999 published in a
report by the United Nations Drug Control Program (UNDCP) revealed
that 80 percent of the heroin consumed in Western Europe originated in
Afghanistan and Pakistan. The UNDCP report also revealed half of the
drugs in that 80 percent traveled through Central Asia. A study by the
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace published in March 2000
said Russian soldiers headquartered in Tajikistan were suspected of
helping drug traffickers by providing them with transportation
facilities. This was confirmed by a Russian intelligence officer who
told the Moscow News weekly, "You can come to an arrangement [with
custom officials] so that the search of military transport planes
remains purely formal. The same goes for train convoys carrying
military cargo [to Russia from Tajikistan]." [Source:
http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/20...001111711.asp]
21. July 2001 - FBI agents in Arizona write a memorandum warning
about suspicious activities involving a group of Middle Eastern men
taking flight training lessons in Phoenix. The memorandum specifically
mentions Osama bin Laden and warns of connections to terrorist
activities. [Source: The New York Times, May 14, 2002]
22. summer 2001 - The National Security Council convenes a Dabhol
working group as revealed in a series of government e-mails obtained
by the Washington Post and the New York Daily News. [Source: The
Albion Monitor, Feb. 28, 2002]
23. summer 2001 - According to a Sept. 26 story in Britain's The
Guardian, correspondent David Leigh reported that "U.S. department of
defense official, Dr. Jeffrey Starr, visited Tajikistan in January.
The Guardian's Felicity Lawrence established that U.S. Rangers were
also training special troops in Kyrgyzstan. There were unconfirmed
reports that Tajik and Uzbek special troops were training in Alaska
and Montana."
24. summer 2001 (est.) - Pakistani ISI Chief Gen. Ahmad (see above)
orders an aide to wire transfer $100,000 to Mohammed Atta who was,
according to the FBI, the lead terrorist in the suicide hijackings.
Ahmad recently resigned after the transfer was disclosed in India and
confirmed by the FBI. The individual who makes the wire transfer at
Ahmad's direction is Ahmad Umar Sheik, the lead suspect in the
kidnapping and murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.
[Source: The Times of India, Oct.11, 2001.]
25. summer 2001 - The online newswire online.ie reports on Sept. 14
that an Iranian man phones U.S. law enforcement to warn of an imminent
attack on the WTC in the week of Sept. 9. German police confirm the
calls but state that the U.S. Secret Service would not reveal any
further information. [Source:
http://www.online.ie/news/viewer.adp?article=1512332.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre..._ie_story.html ]
26. summer 2001 - Jordanian intelligence, the GID, makes a
communications intercept deemed so important that King Abdullah's men
relay it to Washington, probably through the CIA station in Amman. To
make doubly sure the message got through it was passed through an Arab
intermediary to a German intelligence agent. The message: A major
attack was planned inside the U.S., and aircraft would be used. The
code name of the operation was "The Big Wedding." "When it became
clear that the information was embarrassing to Bush Administration
officials and congressmen who at first denied that there had been any
such warnings before Sept. 11, senior Jordanian officials backed away
from their earlier confirmations." This case was authenticated by ABC
reporter John K. Cooley. [Source: International Herald Tribune (IHT),
May 21, 2002]
27. summer 2001 (est.) - The National Security Agency intercepts
telephone conversations between bin Laden aide Khalid Shaikh Mohammed
and Mohammed Atta and does not share the information with any other
agencies. [Source: Jonathan Landay, Knight Ridder Newspapers, June 6,
2002]
28. June 26, 2001 - The magazine indiareacts.com states that "India
and Iran will 'facilitate' U.S. and Russian plans for 'limited
military action' against the Taliban." The story indicates that the
fighting will be done by U.S. and Russian troops with the help of
Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. [Source: indiareacts.com, June 26, 2001]
29. summer 2001 - Russian intelligence notifies the CIA that 25
terrorist pilots have been specifically training for missions
involving hijacked airliners. This is reported in the Russian press
and news stories are translated for FTW by a retired CIA officer.
(Note: The story currently on the Izvestia web site has been edited to
delete a key paragraph.) [Source: Izvestia, Sept. 12, 2001,
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...tory_pic.html]
30. July 4-14, 2001 - Osama bin Laden receives treatment for kidney
disease at the American hospital in Dubai and meets with a CIA
official, who returns to CIA headquarters on July 15. [Source: Le
Figaro, Oct. 31, 2001]
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/Le Figaro_osama_dubai.html
31. July 15, 2001 - Members of the G8, meeting in Genoa, Italy,
discuss the Taliban, pipelines, and the handing over of Osama bin
Laden. According to Pakistani representative Ambassador Naiz Naik, the
U.S. delegation, led by former Clinton Ambassador to Pakistan Tom
Simmons warned of a "military option" if the Taliban did not change
position. [Source: Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie, "Bin
Laden: La Verite Interdite," pp76-7. Thanks to Prof. Peter Dale Scott]
32. July 2001 - Immediately after the G8 Summit three American
officials -- Tom Simmons (former U.S. ambassador to Pakistan), Karl
Inderfurth (former assistant secretary of state for South Asian
affairs) and Lee Coldren (former State Department expert on South
Asia) -- meet with Pakistani and Russian intelligence officers in
Berlin and tell them that the U.S. is planning military strikes
against Afghanistan in October. A French book released in November,
"Bin Laden - La Verite Interdite," discloses that Taliban
representatives often sat in on the meetings. British papers confirm
that the Pakistani ISI relayed the threats to the Taliban. [Source:
The Guardian, Sept. 22, 2001; the BBC, Sept. 18, 2001; The Inter Press
Service, Nov. 16, 2001; Alexander's Gas and Oil Connections, Feb. 21,
2002]
33. July 2001 - The G8 summit at Genoa, Italy is surrounded by
anti-aircraft guns, and local airspace is closed off after Italian and
Egyptian officials (including President Hosni Mubarak) warn American
intelligence that airliners stuffed with explosives might be used to
attack President Bush. U.S. officials state that the warnings were
"unsubstantiated." (But I wonder if they would have taken away the
anti-aircraft artillery?) [Source: Los Angeles Times, Sept. 27, 2001]
34. July 26, 2001 - CBS News reports that John Ashcroft has stopped
flying commercial airlines due a threat assessment. Ashcroft told the
press that he didn't know anything about what had caused it.
35. Aug. 2, 2001 - U.S. ambassador to Pakistan, Christine Rocca (a
former CIA officer), meets in Islamabad with a Taliban ambassador and
demands the extradition of bin Laden. This was the last known meeting
on the subject. [Source: Brisard and Dasquie, p 79. Thanks to Prof.
Peter Dale Scott]
36. August 2001 - The FBI arrests an Islamic militant linked to bin
Laden in Boston. French intelligence sources confirm that the man is a
key member of bin Laden's network and the FBI learns that he has been
taking flying lessons. At the time of his arrest the man is in
possession of technical information on Boeing aircraft and flight
manuals. [Source: Reuters, Sept. 13, 2001]
37. Aug. 11 or 12, 2001 Ç U.S. Navy Lt. Delmart "Mike" Vreeland,
jailed in Toronto on U.S. fraud charges and claiming to be an officer
with U.S. naval intelligence, writes details of the pending WTC
attacks and seals them in an envelope, which he gives to Canadian
authorities. [Source: The Toronto Star, Oct. 23, 2001; Toronto
Superior Court Records]
38. August 2001 - As reported in the IHT both a French magazine (name
not given) and a Moroccan newspaper simultaneously report that a
Moroccan agent named Hassan Dabou had penetrated Al Qaeda to the point
of getting close to bin Laden, who was "very disappointed" that the
1993 bombing had not toppled the WTC. Dabou was called to the U.S.
after reporting this, which curtailed his ability to stay in touch
with the organization and gather additional intelligence that might
have prevented the attacks. Though not proved beyond a doubt, these
stories have been met with a wall of silence. [The IHT, May 21, 2002]
39. August 2001 - Russian President Vladimir Putin orders Russian
intelligence to warn the U.S. government "in the strongest possible
terms" of imminent attacks on airports and government buildings.
[Source: MSNBC interview with Putin, Sept. 15, 2001]
40. August 2001 - President Bush receives classified intelligence
briefings at his Crawford, Texas ranch indicating that Osama bin Laden
might be planning to hijack commercial airliners. [CBS News; CNN, May
15, 2002]
41. late-August 2001 - Prince Turki, the pro-U.S. head of Saudi
intelligence (also known to be close to bin Laden), is replaced by his
more neutral half-brother, Prince Nawwaf who is an ally of Crown
Prince Abdullah. [Source: Saudi Arabian Information Resource, Aug. 31,
2001; http://www.saudinf.com/ - Thanks to Prof. Peter Dale Scott]
42. August/September 2001 - The Dow Jones Industrial Average drops
nearly 900 points in the three weeks prior to the attack. A major
stock market crash is imminent.
43. August/September 2001 - According to a detailed 13-page memo
written by Minneapolis FBI legal officer Colleen Rowley, FBI
headquarters ignores urgent, direct warnings from French intelligence
services about pending attacks. In addition, a single Supervisory
Special Agent (SSA) in Washington expends extra effort to thwart the
field office's investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui, in one case
rewriting Rowley's affidavit for a search warrant to search
Moussaoui's laptop. Rowley's memo uses terms like "deliberately
sabotage," "block," "integrity," "omitted," "downplayed," "glossed
over," "mis-characterize," "improper political reasons, "deliberately
thwarting," "deliberately further undercut," "suppressed," and "not
completely honest." These are not terms describing negligent acts but
rather, deliberate acts. FBI field agents desperately attempt to get
action, but to no avail. One agent speculates that bin Laden might be
planning to crash airliners into the WTC, while Rowley ironically
noted that the SSA who had committed these deliberate actions had
actually been promoted after Sept. 11. [Source: Associated Press, May
21, 2002]
44. Sept. 3-10, 2001 - MSNBC reports on Sept. 16 that a caller to a
Cayman Islands radio talk show gave several warnings of an imminent
attack on the U.S. by bin Laden in the week prior to 9-11.
45. early-September 2001 - An FBI internal document, based upon field
notes from Minnesota field agents discloses that the agents had been
investigating and had questioned the "20th hijacker," Zacarias
Moussaoui. The field notes speculate that Moussaoui, who had been
taking flight lessons, might crash an airliner into the WTC.
Interestingly, the field agents' requests to obtain a search warrant
for his personal computer were denied. French intelligence confirms to
the FBI that Moussaoui has ties to terrorist groups and may have
traveled to Afghanistan. The agents also had no knowledge of the
Phoenix memo (See Item #18). One news story states that agents were in
"a frenzy," absolutely convinced that he was "going to do something
with a plane." [Source: Newsweek, May 20, 2002 issue, story by Michael
Isikoff].
46. Sept. 1-10 2001 - In an exercise, called Operation "Swift Sword"
and planned for four years, 23,000 British troops are steaming toward
Oman. Although the 9-11 attacks caused a hiccup in the deployment, the
massive operation was implemented as planned. At the same time two
U.S. carrier battle groups arrive on station in the Gulf of Arabia
just off the Pakistani coast. Also at the same time, some 17,000 U.S.
troops join more than 23,000 NATO troops in Egypt for Operation
"Bright Star." All of these forces are in place before the first plane
hits the WTC. [Sources: The Guardian; CNN; Fox; The Observer;
International Law Professor Francis Boyle, the University of
Illinois.]
47. Sept. 4-5, 2001 - A freshman at Brooklyn's New Utrecht High
School who had recently emigrated from Pakistan reportedly predicts
the destruction of the World Trade Center a week prior to the 9-11
attacks, according to the JournalNews newspaper in White Plains, N.Y.
Citing "three police sources and a city official familiar with the
investigation" as well as confirmation from the FBI that the bureau
had received this information, the paper reported that in the midst of
a heated class discussion the student pointed to the World Trade
Center from a third story window and said, "Do you see those two
buildings? They won't be standing there next week." New York City
Board of Education spokeswoman Catie Marshall confirmed for the
JournalNews "that school officials reported the matter to police
within minutes of the Sept. 11 attack" and students told the paper
that "FBI agents and NYPD detectives descended on the school on Sept.
13 to interrogate the student [who made the prediction] and others in
his class," which was "an English class for Arab-American students."
[Source: The JournalNews, Oct. 11, 2001,
http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsro...warumors.html]
48. Sept. 5, 2001 - "Five hundred websites -- many of them with an
Arab or Muslim connection -- crash when an anti-terrorism taskforce
raids InfoCom Corp. in Texas," reported Britain's the Guardian on
Sept. 10, 2001. A taskforce of approximately 80 federal agents and
officials from the FBI, Secret Service, INS, Customs, Bureau of
Diplomatic Security, IRS, and Commerce Department occupied InfoCom's
office building in the Dallas suburb of Richardson, Texas for four
days, "copying every hard disc they could find." InfoCom hosts many
websites for Middle Eastern clients and is located across the street
from the Holy Land Foundation, a charitable organization which has
been alleged to have connections with terrorist groups. InfoCom's vice
president of marketing, Ghassan Elashi, is also the chairman of the
Holy Land Foundation. [Source: The Guardian, Sept. 10, 2001,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/...49590,00.html]
49. Sept. 7, 2001 - Florida Governor Jeb Bush signs a two-year
emergency executive order (01-261) making new provisions for the
Florida National Guard to assist law enforcement and
emergency-management personnel in the event of large civil
disturbances, disaster or acts of terrorism. [Source: State of Florida
website listing of Governor's executive orders]
50. Sept. 6-7, 2001 - Put options (a speculation that the stock will
go down) totaling 4,744 are purchased on United Air Lines stock, as
opposed to only 396 call options (speculation that the stock will go
up). This is a dramatic and abnormal increase in sales of put options.
Many of the United puts are purchased through Deutschebank/A.B. Brown,
a firm managed until 1998 by the current executive director of the
CIA, A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard. [Source: The Herzliyya International
Policy Institute for Counterterrorism (ICT), http://www.ict.org.il/,
Sept. 21, 2001 (Note:The ICT article on possible terrorist insider
trading appeared eight days *after* the 9/11 attacks.); The New York
Times; The Wall Street Journal; The San Francisco Chronicle, Sept. 29,
2001]
51. Sept. 10, 2001 - Put options totaling 4,516 are purchased on
American Airlines as compared to 748 call options. [Source: Herzliyya
Institute - above]
52. Sept. 6-11, 2001 - No other airlines show any similar trading
patterns to those experienced by United and American. The put option
purchases on both airlines were 600 percent above normal. This at a
time when Reuters (Sept. 10) issues a business report stating,
"Airline stocks may be poised to take off."
53. Sept. 6-10, 2001 - Highly abnormal levels of put options are
purchased in Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, AXA Re(insurance) which
owns 25 percent of American Airlines, and Munich Re. All of these
companies are directly impacted by the Sept. 11 attacks. [Source: ICT,
above;
FTW, Oct. 18, 2001,
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...ct152001.html]
54. 2001-2002 - It has been documented that the CIA, the Israeli
Mossad, and many other intelligence agencies monitor stock trading in
real time using highly advanced programs reported to be descended from
Promis software. This is to alert national intelligence services of
just such kinds of attacks. Promis was reported as recently as June
2001 to be in Osama bin Laden's possession and, as a result of recent
stories by Fox, both the FBI and the Justice Department have confirmed
its use for U.S. intelligence gathering through at least summer 2002.
This would confirm that CIA had additional advance warning of imminent
attacks. [Sources: The Washington Times, June 15, 2001; Fox, Oct. 16,
2001;
FTW, Oct. 26, 2001, -
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...ic_carpet.html
FTW, Vol. IV, No. 6, Sept. 18, 2001 -
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...sept1801.html;
FTW, Vol. III, No. 7, Sept. 30, 2000 -
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...1_promis.html]
55. Sept. 9, 2001 - President George W. Bush is presented with
detailed war plans to overthrow Al Qaeda, according to U.S. and
foreign sources speaking to NBC News. [Source: MSNBC, May 16, 2002.
Thanks to Prof. Peter Dale Scott]
56. Sept. 10, 2001 - This item has been removed solely at the request
of the party previously named in this entry. Recent court proceedings
– which occurred after the news story we had cited - have indicated
that there was no connection between the story listed here, the person
named therein and the attacks of 9-11-01. At the request of the
previously named party, FTW has replaced the $1,000 reward with a
$1,000 donation to The Childrens Defense Fund on behalf of the named
party and the issue is now amicably resolved without any hard feelings
between that party and FTW.
57. Sept. 10, 2001 - According to Newsweek, a group of top Pentagon
officials suddenly cancelled travel plans for the next morning,
apparently because of security concerns. [Source: Newsweek, Sept. 24,
2001]
58. Sept. 10, 2001 - The Houston Chronicle reports the FBI was
notified of a fifth grader from a Dallas suburb who told his teacher,
"Tomorrow, World War III will begin. It will begin in the United
States, and the United States will lose." The Chronicle was unclear on
specifically when Garland, Texas school district officials told the
FBI about the incident, but it was some time between Sept. 13, 2001
and the story's publication date of Sept. 19, 2001. [Source: Houston
Chronicle, Sept. 19, 2001
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.ht...litan/1055222]
59. Sept. 10, 2001 - San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives a call
from what he described as "his security people at the airport" eight
hours before the terrorist attacks "advising him that Americans should
be cautious about their air travel," as reported by the San Francisco
Chronicle. Brown was scheduled to fly to New York from San Francisco
International Airport. He told the Chronicle the call "didn't come in
any alarming fashion, which is why I'm hesitant to make any alarming
statement." [Source: San Francisco Chronicle, Sept. 12, 2001,
http://www.sfgate.com/today/0912_chron_mnreport.shtml]
60. Sept. 11, 2001 - The National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), the
federal agency that runs many of the nation's spy satellites,
schedules an exercise involving a plane crashing into one of the
agency's buildings. "On the morning of Sept. 11, 2001," according to a
website advertising a homeland security conference in Chicago run by
the National Law Enforcement and Security Institute, CIA official John
Fulton and his team "were running a pre-planned simulation to explore
the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to
strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come
true in a dramatic way." Fulton is the head of the NRO's strategic
gaming division. [Source: National Law Enforcement and Security
Institute, http://www.nlsi.net,
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ne_exercise_1]
61. Sept. 11, 2001 - After the attacks on the World Trade Center and
Pentagon occur, National Public Radio's congressional correspondent
David Welna reports, "I spoke with congressman Ike Skelton, a Democrat
from Missouri and a member of the Armed Services Committee, who said
that just recently the director of the CIA warned that there could be
an attack -- an imminent attack - on the United States of this nature.
So this is not entirely unexpected." [Source:
http://www.thememoryhole.org/updates.htm]
62. Sept. 11, 2001 - United Air Lines flight 23, scheduled to fly
from New York City to Los Angeles was delayed after four Muslim
passengers began demanding that the plane take off immediately. This
happened apparently after the first plane had hit the WTC. The
passengers were thrown off the flight. [Source: The Globe and Mail,
June 13, 2002]
63. Sept. 11, 2001 - Gen. Mahmud of the ISI (see #16), friend of
Mohammed Atta, is visiting Washington on behalf of the Taliban. He is
meeting with the Chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence
Committees, Rep. Porter Goss, R-Fla., and Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla.,
[Source: MSNBC, Oct. 7, 2001; The New York Times, Feb. 17, 2002]
64. Sept. 11, 2001 - Employees of Odigo, Inc. in Israel, one of the
world's largest instant messaging companies with offices in New York,
receive threat warnings of an imminent attack on the WTC less than two
hours before the first plane hits. Law enforcement authorities have
gone silent about any investigation of this. The Odigo research and
development offices in Israel are located in the city of Herzliyya, a
ritzy suburb of Tel Aviv that is the same location as the Institute
for Counter Terrorism, which eight days later reports details of
insider trading on 9-11. [Source: CNN's Daniel Sieberg, Sept. 28,
2001; MSNBC Newsbytes, Brian McWilliams, Sept. 27, 2001; Ha'aretz,
Sept. 26, 2001]
65. Sept. 11, 2001 - For 50 minutes, from 8:15 AM until 9:05 AM, with
it widely known within the FAA and the military that four planes have
been simultaneously hijacked and taken off course, no one notifies the
President of the United States. It is not until 9:30 that any Air
Force planes are scrambled to intercept, but by then it is too late.
This means that the National Command Authority waited for 75 minutes
before scrambling aircraft, even though it was known that four
simultaneous hijackings had occurred. [Source: CNN; ABC; MSNBC; Los
Angeles Times; The New York Times; www.tenc.net]
66. Sept. 11-12, 2001 - Nearly a month before the first reported
outbreak, White House officials start taking the powerful antibiotic
Cipro to treat anthrax. By the end of the year it will be known that
the Ames strain of anthrax used in the attacks against Sens. Leahy and
Daschle was produced by CIA programs coordinated through Fort Detrick,
the Batelle Memorial Institute and the Dugway Proving Ground. [Source:
NBC; CNN; www.tetrahedron.org, www.judicialwatch.org]
67. Sept. 13, 2001 - China is admitted to the World Trade
Organization quickly, after years of unsuccessful attempts. [Source:
The New York Times, Sept. 30, 2001]
68. Sept. 14, 2001 - Canadian jailers open the sealed envelope from
Mike Vreeland in Toronto and see that is describes attacks against the
WTC and Pentagon. The U.S. Navy subsequently states that Vreeland was
discharged as a seaman in 1986 for unsatisfactory performance and has
never worked in intelligence. [Source: The Toronto Star, Oct. 23,
2001; Toronto Superior Court records]
69. Sept. 15, 2001 - The New York Times reports that Mayo Shattuck
III has resigned, effective immediately, as head of the Alex Brown
(A.B.) unit of Deutschebank.
70. Sept. 29, 2001 - The San Francisco Chronicle reports that $2.5
million in put options on American and United airlines are unclaimed.
This is likely the result of the suspension in trading on the New York
Stock Exchange after the attacks, which gave the Securities and
Exchange Commission time to be waiting when the owners showed up to
redeem their put options.
71. Oct. 10, 2001 - The Pakistani newspaper The Frontier Post reports
that U.S. Ambassador Wendy Chamberlain has paid a call on the
Pakistani oil minister. A previously abandoned Unocal gas pipeline
project from Turkmenistan, across Afghanistan, to Pakistan is now back
on the table "in view of recent geopolitical developments."
72. Oct. 11, 2001 - The Ashcroft Justice Department takes over all
terrorist prosecutions from the U.S. Attorneys office in New York,
which has had a highly successful track record in prosecuting
terrorist cases connected to Osama bin Laden. [Source: The New York
Times, Oct. 11, 2001]
73. mid-October 2001 - The Dow Jones Industrial Average, after having
suffered a precipitous drop has recovered most of its pre-attack
losses. Although still weak and vulnerable to negative earnings
reports, a crash has been averted by a massive infusion of government
spending on defense programs, subsidies for "affected" industries and
planned tax cuts for corporations.
74. Oct. 29, 2001 - The Bush Administration drafts "an executive
order that would usher in a new era of secrecy for presidential
records and allow an incumbent president to withhold a former
president's papers even if the former president wanted to make them
public," wrote the Washington Post. The order also required members of
the public to prove "at least a Œdemonstrated, specific need'" for a
president's papers to be released. Critics contend this would overturn
the 1978 Presidential Records Act, which releases documents after 12
years. The White House maintained that a Supreme Court decision in
1977 allows presidents various privileges for their records. [Source:
Washington Post, Nov. 1, 2001,
http://washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn...guage=printer]
75. Nov. 21, 2001 - The British paper The Independent runs a story
headlined, "Opium Farmers Rejoice at the Defeat of the Taliban." The
story reports that massive opium planting is underway all over the
country.
76. Nov. 25, 2001 - The Observer runs a story headlined "Victorious
Warlords Set To Open the Opium Floodgates." It states that farmers are
being encouraged by warlords allied with the victorious Americans are
"being encouraged to plant as much opium as possible."
77. Dec. 4, 2001 - Convicted drug lord and opium kingpin Ayub Afridi
is recruited by the U.S. government to help establish control in
Afghanistan by unifying various Pashtun warlords. The former opium
smuggler who was one of the CIA's leading assets in the war against
the Russians is released from prison in order to do this. [Source: The
Asia Times Online, Dec. 4, 2001]
78. Dec. 25, 2001 - Newly appointed Afghani Prime Minister Hamid
Karzai is revealed as being a former paid consultant for Unocal.
[Source: Le Monde]
79. Jan. 3, 2002 - President Bush appoints Zalmy Khalilzad as a
special envoy to Afghanistan. Khalilzad, a former employee of Unocal,
also wrote op-eds in the Washington Post in 1997 supporting the
Taliban regime. [Source: Pravda, Jan. 9, 2002]
80. Jan. 4, 2002 - Florida drug trafficking explodes after 9-11. In a
surge of trafficking reminiscent of the 1980s the diversion of
resources away from drug enforcement has opened the floodgates for a
new surge of cocaine and heroin from South America. [The Christian
Science Monitor, Jan. 4, 2002]
81. Jan. 10, 2002 - In a call from a speaker phone in open court,
attorneys for Mike Vreeland call the Pentagon's switchboard operator,
who confirms that Vreeland is indeed a naval lieutenant on active
duty. She provides an office number and a direct dial phone extension
to his office in the Pentagon. [Source: Attorney Rocco Galati; Toronto
Superior Court records]
82. Jan. 10, 2002 - Attorney General John Ashcroft recuses himself
from the Enron investigation because Enron had been a major campaign
donor in his 2000 Senate race. He fails to recuse himself from
involvement in two sitting federal grand juries investigating bribery
and corruption charges against ExxonMobil and BP Amoco, which have
massive oil interests in Central Asia. Both were major Ashcroft donors
in 2000. [Source: CNN, Jan. 10, 2002; FTW, "The Elephant in the Living
Room, Part I," April 4, 2002,
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...elephant.html]
83. Jan. 23, 2002 - Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl is
kidnapped in Pakistan. Pearl is reported dead on Feb. 21. Lead suspect
Ahmad Umar Sheik, former colleague of Gen. Ahmad, is arrested on Feb.
12 and named as the lead suspect in the kidnapping and murder. Legal
sources close to the Pakistani government tell FTW that Pearl was
investigating the ISI. [Source: CNN.com]
84. Feb. 9, 2002 - Pakistani leader Gen. Musharraf and Afghan leader
Hamid Karzai announce their agreement to "cooperate in all spheres of
activity," including the proposed Central Asian pipeline. Pakistan
will give $10 million to Afghanistan to help pay Afghan government
workers. [Source: The Irish Times, Feb. 9, 2002]
85. Feb. 18, 2002 - The Financial Times reports that the estimated
opium harvest in Afghanistan in the late-spring 2002 will reach a
world record 4,500 metric tons.
86. mid-April, 2002 - World Bank chief James Wolfensohn, at the
opening of the World Bank's offices in Kabul, states he has held talks
about financing the Trans-Afghanistan gas pipeline. He confirms $100
million in new grants for the interim Afghani government. Wolfensohn
also states that a number of companies have already expressed interest
in the project. [Source: Alexander's Gas and oil Connections, citing
an Agence France-Presse story]
87. May 13, 2002 - The BBC reports that Afghanistan is about to close
a deal for construction of the $2 billion gas pipeline to run from
Turkmenistan to Pakistan and India. The story states, "work on the
project will start after an agreement is expected to be struck" at a
summit scheduled for the end of the month. Unocal will build the
pipeline. [Source: BBC, May 13, 2002]
88. May 2002 - A number of sources report progress on both oil and
gas pipelines. Regional sources state that Unocal will re-emerge as a
pipeline contender after withdrawing from the CentGas pipeline project
in 1998. Unocal denies plans to revive the gas pipeline but curiously
neglects to mention whether or not it has any interest in the oil
pipeline, which local sources say is moving ahead. [Source: The Dawn
Group of Newspapers, May 7, May 17, May 22, 2002]
89. May 30, 2002 - Afghanistan's interim leader, Hamid Karzai,
Turkmenistan's President Niyazov, and Pakistani President Musharraf
meet in Islamabad to sign a memorandum of understanding on the
trans-Afghanistan gas pipeline project. The three leaders will meet
for more talks on the project in October. The Turkmen-Afghan-Pakistani
gas pipeline accord has been published and can be viewed at the
following website: http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/nts22622.htm.
[Source: NewsBase, June 5, 2002]
90. May 16, 2002 - White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer states
unequivocally that while President Bush had been warned of possible
hijackings, "The president did not -- not -- receive information about
the use of airplanes as missiles by suicide bombers." [Source: CBS
News, May 15, 2002]
91. May 19, 2002 - Former FBI Agent Tyrone Powers, now a professor at
Anne Arundel Community College states on radio station KISS 98.7 that
he has credible evidence suggesting that the Bush Administration did
in fact allow the Sept. 11 attacks to further a hidden agenda.
[Source: http://www.indymedia.org - May 20, 2002]
92. May 31, 2002 - FBI Agent Robert Wright delivers a tearful press
conference at the National Press Club describing his lawsuit against
the FBI for deliberately curtailing investigations that might have
prevented the 9-11 attacks. He uses words like "prevented,"
"thwarted," "obstructed," "threatened," "intimidated," and
"retaliation" to describe the actions of his superiors in blocking his
attempts to shut off money flows to Al Qaeda and other terrorist
groups. These are not words of negligence. They are words describing
deliberate and malicious actions. [Source: C-SPAN website]
93. June 4, 2002 - Air Force Lt. Col. Steve Butler, who had called
President Bush a joke and accused him of allowing the Sept. 11 attacks
to happen, is suspended from his post at the Defense Language School
in Monterey, Calif. and could face a court martial. [Source:
Associated Press, June 4, 2002]
94. June 14, 2002 - Common Dreams website publishes an account from a
former member of the 1/118th Infantry Battalion of the South Carolina
National Guard: "My unit reported for drill in July 2001 and we were
suddenly and unexpectedly informed that all activities planned for the
next two months would be suspended in order to prepare for a
mobilization exercise to be held on Sept. 14, 2001. We worked
diligently for two weekends and even came in on an unscheduled day in
August to prepare for the exercise. By the end of August all we needed
was a phone call, which we were to expect, and we could hop into a
fully prepared convoy with our bags and equipment packed." [Source:
Common Dreams, http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0614-02.htm]
95. June 17, 2002 - Reuters reports that Butler's case has been
resolved without the necessity of a court martial. (I guess so.
There's enough material here to prove him right. -- MCR) [Reuters,
June 17, 2002]
96. July 2, 2002 - Motions from Zacarias Moussaoui are unsealed in
federal court, indicating that Moussaoui wants to testify before both
a grand jury and Congress about the Sept. 11 attacks. Moussaoui claims
to have information showing that the U.S. government wanted the
attacks to happen. [Source: The Washington Post, July 3, 2002]
97. July 3, 2002 - The first-ever shipment of Russian oil, 200,000
metric tons, arrives in Houston. [Source: The Moscow Times, July 6,
2002].
98. July 6, 2002 - Afghan Vice President Hajji Abdul Qadir is
assassinated by Afghan warlords. The New York Times reports that Qadir
may have been assassinated by opium warlords upset by Qadir's efforts
to reduce the rampant opium farming and processing that has taken
place since the U.S. occupation. Qadir had been overseeing a
Western-backed eradication program, according to the Times. However,
the opium warlords of the region are same ones sponsored, protected,
and in some cases released from prison by the CIA and who have been
protected by President Bush's special envoy, Zalmay Khalilzad. It is
reported that the raw opium is being refined near U.S. bases at
Kandahar. [Sources: The New York Times, July 8, 2002; Far Eastern
Economic Review, April 18, 2002]
99. July 26, 2002 - White House security prevented the legal
watch-group Judicial Watch from serving Vice President Cheney with a
lawsuit filed on behalf of Halliburton shareholders. Before becoming
vice president Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, which has filed for
bankruptcy. [Source: Cybercast News Service, cnsnews.com]
100. Aug. 2, 2002 - The FBI asked members of the House and Senate
intelligence committees to take lie-detector tests as investigators
try to determine who leaked information to CNN about communications in
Arabic that made vague references to an impending attack on the United
States. The communications were intercepted by the National Security
Agency on Sept. 10 but weren't translated until Sept. 12. [Source:
Associated Press story published in the Boston Globe, Aug. 2, 2002,
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/08.0...lie.det.p.htm]
101. Aug. 5, 2002 - The Associated Press reported Russia's major role
over the last five years in the trafficking of Afghan heroin into
Europe. [Source: Santa Fe New Mexican, Aug. 5, 2002,
www.sfnewmexican.com]
102. Aug. 16, 2002 - A Knight Ridder story discloses that members of
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's staff have created a special
planning unit for an invasion of Iraq. The unit is composed primarily
of civilians and was spearheaded by conservative members of Rumsfeld's
staff, such as Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz. The story
was headlined, "White House Methodically Preparing for Iraq Campaign."
[Source: Knight Ridder Newspapers, www.truthout.org/docs
02/08.17B.wh.prep.irq.p.htm]
103. Aug. 28, 2002 - The Globe and Mail of Canada reports Afghanistan
will become the world's top producer of opium this year, surpassing
Southeast Asia. [Source: the Globe and Mail, Aug. 28, 2002]
Now, let's go back to the Oct. 31 story by Le Figaro -- the one that
has Osama bin Laden meeting with a CIA officer in Dubai in July 2001.
The story says, "Throughout his stay in the hospital, Osama Bin Laden
received visits from many family members [There goes the story that
he's a black sheep! --MCR] and Saudi Arabian Emirate personalities of
status. During this time the local representative of the CIA was seen
by many people taking the elevator and going to bin Laden's room.
"Several days later the CIA officer bragged to his friends about
having visited the Saudi millionaire. From authoritative sources, this
CIA agent visited CIA headquarters on July 15, the day after bin
Laden's departure for Quetta.
"According to various Arab diplomatic sources and French intelligence
itself, precise information was communicated to the CIA concerning
terrorist attacks aimed at American interests in the world, including
its own territory.
"Extremely bothered, they [American intelligence officers in a meeting
with French intelligence officers] requested from their French peers
exact details about the Algerian activists [connected to bin Laden
through Dubai banking institutions], without explaining the exact
nature of their inquiry. When asked the question, What do you fear in
the coming days?' the Americans responded with incomprehensible
silence.
"On further investigation, the FBI discovered certain plans that had
been put together between the CIA and its 'Islamic friends' over the
years. The meeting in Dubai is, so it would seem, consistent with 'a
certain American policy.'"
Even though Le Figaro reported that it had confirmed with hospital
staff that bin Laden had been there as reported, stories printed on
Nov. 1 contained quotes from hospital staff that these reports were
untrue. On Nov. 1, as reported by the Ananova press agency, the CIA
flatly denied that any meeting between any CIA personnel and Osama bin
Laden at any time.
Who do you believe?


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"jps" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote in message
...

"jps" wrote in message

We are lucky to have a gentleman with as much integrity as Joseph
Wilson
working on behalf of our country.

Your remarks are unpatriotic.

And one could also say that condemning the administration, calling them
liars, asking for impeachment, etc, before all of the facts are out is
also
unpatriotic.

The fact that you can't detect a tongue firmly planted in cheek doesn't
speak well of your comprehension. Should I put the little smiley face in
there for you?

That would work.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:59:07 GMT, "Joe" wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...
"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
"jps" wrote in message news:zvBRa.27
Dick Cheney sent Joseph Wilson to Niger in 2002 to confirm the
"intelligence." Joseph Wilson returned with the firm understanding
the
claims were unfounded and unsupportable.


Joseph Wilson sat in a ****in bar and asked a couple of shady
characters if they were gonna sell uranium to Iraq, they said no... He
put in his expence report and there you go.


Do you think Cheney picked a hack to investigate the situation?

Joseph Wilson is held in the highest regard by those in the diplomatic
community. He's always held his mud and knows his business. Based on
recent events, he was witnessed saying things that those close to him
would
never had expected. Clearly, it's based on his frustration with this
administration and their underhanded tactics.

We are lucky to have a gentleman with as much integrity as Joseph Wilson
working on behalf of our country.

Your remarks are unpatriotic.

And one could also say that condemning the administration, calling them
liars, asking for impeachment, etc, before all of the facts are out is also
unpatriotic.

Joe, the actions you describe fit our elected representatives, of both
parties, to a "tee". Are you suggesting that our Congress is
"unpatriotic"? )

More seriously, criticism is a patriotic act, whether we agree with
the criticism or not. I am registered to vote as a Republican, but
Mr. Bush lost my support when the Administration suggested that anyone
who disagreed with GWB's actions was "unpatriotic". What nonsense.
Have you read any works by Thomas Jefferson?

Scrutiny is the true protector of Liberty, no matter who sits in the
White House.

noah


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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:26:42 GMT, "Joe" wrote:


"noah" wrote in message
.. .
Found elsewhere.
Offered without comment, except that I am still busy checking stated
sources.
Interesting reading, if nothing else.
Note the dates, this goes back a while.
Bon appetite.


A TIMELINE SURROUNDING SEPTEMBER 11TH - IF CIA AND THE GOVERNMENT
WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS
WHAT WERE THEY DOING?


They forgot the part about all the Jews that worked in the WTC calling in
sick on Sept 11.

Nonsense.

No other response deserved.
noah

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On 17 Jul 2003 21:22:42 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Surely you have some proof that the Bush administration believed the
information
to be a LIE.
John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

Would the fact that it had been pulled from previous speeches be considered an
indicator that the Bush Administration knew the information was not accurate?

What happened? Did the documents somehow get "unforged" between October and
January?
Another lib misconception to be foisted on the unwary. Your 'it' refers to two
different sets of circumstances. Go look it up!


John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

On 17 Jul 2003 21:27:13 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Your boy Clinton was a master at this type of *double speak*.


Really, he was.

For example.

After being asked about his alleged underhanded dealings in (place
your favorite BC snafu here),

He would respond with something like this:

"There is no evidence to support that"

Meaning,

Yea, I might have done the dastardly thing but you'll never
find any proof of it.

Should the "Same Standards" apply to ALL presidents?

db

I miss your point, I hope. Are you suggesting that because Clinton, Nixon, and
a host of previous presidents have been caught lying to the American public
that we should just expect no better and be willing to accept this conduct from
the Leader of the Free World?

Clinton failed an important moral test.
I have never condoned his lying about the Lewinski affair. He blew it,
(literally and figuratively).

Your knowledge of history sucks. He didn't blow it, SHE blew it. Jeeeesh!

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

"JohnH" wrote in message
...

Did I put down Mr. Wilson? No. I put down your statement that he
"...returned
with the firm understanding..." He actually returned after being unable to
find
any proof. He may be a great diplomat, but he is not someone who found
proof
that the claims were unfounded.

I was responding to Mr. Backyard Goofball, Mr.
No(Bwaaaahaaaahaaaahaaa)SpinZone.

A TIMELINE SURROUNDING SEPTEMBER 11TH - IF CIA AND THE GOVERNMENT
WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS
WHAT WERE THEY DOING?


They forgot the part about all the Jews that worked in the WTC calling in
sick on Sept 11.

Nonsense.

No other response deserved.
noah

I guess you need a smiley too :-)

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:16:28 GMT, "Joe" wrote:

A TIMELINE SURROUNDING SEPTEMBER 11TH - IF CIA AND THE GOVERNMENT
WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS
WHAT WERE THEY DOING?


They forgot the part about all the Jews that worked in the WTC calling in
sick on Sept 11.

Nonsense.

No other response deserved.
noah

I guess you need a smiley too :-)

Not really. If it makes you feel more secure, go for it.
)
noah


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