I had a tune up for my Volvo-penta outdrive and the ground electrode broke
off fell into the engine and scored the cylinder wall. Is it fault of the
dealer who installed the plug, delco or what?
Who should pay? Can we pull the engine remove the piston grind the wall to
remove the scoring about .01 inch deep?
Then use same or oversize rings or piston. Or should they repaace the engine
with a long block?

"ClassicBoat" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:25:42 -0400, "john collins"
wrote:

I had a tune up for my Volvo-penta outdrive and the ground electrode
broke
off fell into the engine and scored the cylinder wall. Is it fault of the
dealer who installed the plug, delco or what? Who should pay?


This is your problem, nobody knows for sure who is at fault. Dealer
my say, "sorry", but that it just happened.

Can we pull the engine remove the piston grind the wall to
remove the scoring about .01 inch deep?
Then use same or oversize rings or piston. Or should they repaace the
engine
with a long block?


With a score of approximately .010 deep you are going to have to bore
.020-.030 oversize. I wouldn't be crazy about this repair, but if *I*
was paying for it I probably wouldn't spring for the extra $$$$$$ for
a long block. You would only need a short block, anyway. Compare
prices and downtime.



Dealer may say it just happened, but he was doing the work. Same as if he
says oh the plug just happened to strip in the head, you pay for a new head.
Here in Calif, I would go to small claims court if the dealer refused to
make good. Depending on circumstances, small claims go either $2500 or
$5000. No lawers allowed.
Bill

Sounds like an incorrect plug put in. Whoever put it there would probably
be.

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"john collins" wrote in message
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got a tune up and after 5 min in water splark plug groumd electrode broke
and scored the cyilinder of my 93 18 ft volvo io. Whos liable??

From most likely to least...

Electrode fell off
Broken piston ring
Broken piston
Engine ingestion

Each have their own reason for happening.

"john collins" wrote in message
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Had a tuneup on my 18 ft 1999 Larson 3 liter volvopenta and after 5 min.
in
the water had banging noise. Dealer took engine apart and found broken
ground electrode in engine and a scored cyilinder wall. Comments please??

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:31:11 -0400, "john collins"
wrote:


C - The operator -- for improper operation.



How does an operator "improperly operate" a spark plug?

My call too.

I see no C.

-W


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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:31:11 -0400, "john collins"
wrote:


C - The operator -- for improper operation.



How does an operator "improperly operate" a spark plug?

The burden is upon you to determine the cause of the failure and prove the
culpability of the party responsible. Since it doesn't appear that you have
determined the cause of the failure, at this point, you are in no position to
assign blame.

john collins wrote:

got a tune up and after 5 min in water splark plug groumd electrode broke
and scored the cyilinder of my 93 18 ft volvo io. Whos liable??

No lawers involved. Take it to small claims court. Judge makes the
decision. If you lose, you are out another $50.
Bill

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 03:21:58 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

My call too.

I see no C.

-W

First of all, this mess seems inevitably to be dragged, kicking and
screaming into court. Therefore, the laws of knowledge, wisdom, and
common sense don't apply.

There is definitely a "C" since, "if it wasn't MY fault it was YOUR
fault." This argument works great with a jury. If you think you are
being judged by a group of your peers you either haven't been to court
or need to lose the rose-colored-glasses.

Trust me, it will be a monumental mistake by the plaintiff if anybody
that:

owns or has ever owned a boat,
realizes they have ever had any shoddy work performed by a mechanic,
is a mechanic or has ever attempted to perform mechanical work or,
knows what a spark plug is,

will be on the jury.

My personal take on this is that there isn't enough information to
award damages to anybody. I can imagine enough "other" things that
could happen, besides a mechanic doing whatever he might do to break
off a ground electrode, to muddy the waters of responsibility.

Outside of the courtroom (in the real world) there wouldn't be a "C".
However, "C" should quit trying to drum up support here for action
against "A", because it is a waste of time. "C" needs to go see a
lawyer or magistrate and see if they have a case. "C" also should
understand that the attorney is going to get paid, regardless....
whoever prevails. And "A" might countersue for attorney's fees so
that "C" picks up the *whole* tab for the attempt.... win *or* lose.

Less to be learned: Caveat Emptor.

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