You don't get rich by giving your money to anybody that wants it.

You won't get rich at all unless you are earning or profiting so efficiently
that small
expressions of gratitude for good service are without consequence.

If you need the tip as badly as the waitress, keep it.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
"Not to be outdone politically, the Association for Washington Business
is
taking an unusual step. For the first time in its 100 year history, the
AWB
has announced it will endorse many incumbent state lawmakers in the Nov.
2
election. The criteria: the voting record of each lawmaker in making the
state competitive.

On its Web site, the AWB supports re-election for 13 state Senators and
35
members of the House of Representatives. There isn't a Democrat on the
list."

------------------------------------------------------

Did you catch that, Chuck? "There isn't a Democrat on the list"...of
lawmakers who are making the state competitive for business and job
creation.

Here's the link:


http://www.king5.com/sharedcontent/n...es/NW_072004TB
CsmallbizDS.5dd9b82.htmlhttp://www.king5.com/sharedcontent/northwest/bizco
ach/stories/NW_072004TBCsmallbizDS.5dd9b82.html

Shows how easily you can be confused by
a snapshot of a tiny portion of a broad landscape.

When Boeing was blackmailing several states simultaneously, our sell-out
Democratic Governor and state legislators panicked and reduced Boeing's
taxes
with a package worth over $3 billion over the next few years. The payoff
to the
state?
We just heard that Boeing is going to hire 2000 people here, at probably
$50k a
year average apiece. In other words, if the rest of the taxpayers in the
state
will pay more money or forego enough services to subsidize Boeing for $3
billion, Boeing will see that we get a tiny fraction of that money back in
wages.

You're kidding, right? You think that the only money Boeing gives back to
the community is the $100 million in wages given to new hires? What about
the people already working for Boeing who would have left the area if Boeing
moved? Also, have you ever looked at a P&L? Wages make up about 1/5 of
total expenses. On top of that, there is a trickle down effect of the
people who work in jobs that service those 2000 people *and* the people
already working for Boeing.

That $3 billion saved your community. Without it, Everett/Mukilteo would
look like Allentown, PA when they were (to quote Billy Joel) "closing all
the factories down".


When are elected officials--most of whom are attorneys or other people who
never held an honest job--going to realize that they don't know as much
about what's good for a business, as the business men and women running
those businesses? The Association for Washington Business represents those
businesses.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
You don't get rich by giving your money to anybody that wants it.

You won't get rich at all unless you are earning or profiting so
efficiently
that small
expressions of gratitude for good service are without consequence.

If you need the tip as badly as the waitress, keep it.

I guess Kerry needed the tip as badly as the waitress:

The ****ty Tipper Database!



Tipper's Name: John Kerry
Restaurant: Chart House
Where it happened: Alexandria, VA
Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $262.60 / $0.00 / 0%
What happened:
June 5, 04 Kerry, his wife, 4 unknown suits - We were happy to seat
them in a semi-private area and gave them the same excellent service as we
would give anyone - then got stiffed!

http://www.bitterwaitress.com/std/in...etail=1&id=456

You're kidding, right? You think that the only money Boeing gives back to
the community is the $100 million in wages given to new hires? What about
the people already working for Boeing who would have left the area if Boeing
moved?

Uh, they're already gone. Boeing moved to Chicago, and the "new hires" are
about 1/30th of the number of folks that Boeing laid off here in the last few
years.

Also, have you ever looked at a P&L? Wages make up about 1/5 of
total expenses.

Less than that, if you're got a clever Republican running the company. :-)

On top of that, there is a trickle down effect of the
people who work in jobs that service those 2000 people *and* the people
already working for Boeing.

That $3 billion saved your community. Without it, Everett/Mukilteo would
look like Allentown, PA when they were (to quote Billy Joel) "closing all
the factories down".

Bullshirt.

Take 1.5 billion of the same money, give it (don't even loan it) as matching
capital grants to people who have presented a *qualified* business plan for an
enterprise that will create jobs in the community and you will see far more
than 2000 jobs result, plus all the spin off jobs from suppliers, retailers,
service workers, etc.

Figure half of the enterprises go TU within
2-3 years. Still way, way, ahead of buying jobs from Boeing at $1.5mm apiece.

In a few years, when it's time to build the next plane, Boeing will come around
once again with the tin cup and demand even more concessions.

We ought to just get in bed with the Mafia.
At least they are obvious when shaking a victim down.

Everytime I bust my suspension on a pothole in the road or watch them close a
fire station or a library I can be ever so grateful that your cronies in the
Center for Business Supremacy, or whatever, think that government services
should be withheld from common people, but provided to their companies at a
newly reduced charge.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
You're kidding, right? You think that the only money Boeing gives back
to
the community is the $100 million in wages given to new hires? What about
the people already working for Boeing who would have left the area if
Boeing
moved?

Uh, they're already gone. Boeing moved to Chicago, and the "new hires" are
about 1/30th of the number of folks that Boeing laid off here in the last
few
years.

Also, have you ever looked at a P&L? Wages make up about 1/5 of
total expenses.

Less than that, if you're got a clever Republican running the company. :-)

On top of that, there is a trickle down effect of the
people who work in jobs that service those 2000 people *and* the people
already working for Boeing.

That $3 billion saved your community. Without it, Everett/Mukilteo would
look like Allentown, PA when they were (to quote Billy Joel) "closing all
the factories down".

Bullshirt.

Take 1.5 billion of the same money,

How do you "take the 1.5 billion"? You don't have the 1.5 billion if Boeing
isn't there. It was in the form of tax incentives (ie--money they *would*
collect *if* Boeing stayed *and* they were taxed at the pre-negotiated
rates). If Boeing is not there, they don't pay the money anyhow...*AND* you
lose the benefit that you gain from having such a large employer in the
community.


You're putting me on here, right?

You're putting me on here, right?

Nope.

Boeing wasn't really "going" anywhere.
The question was "where will we put together the few parts of the 7E7 that will
be built in the US"

I guess they decided it will be here, since we forgave $1.5mm in taxes for
every middle class job they restored. Woo hoo.

You would be surprised to know that a lot of the opposition to the Boeing
shakedown came from *very* conservative interests here.

Boeing: We're leaving unless you make radical improvements to the roads and
other infrastructure in the state, especially those we haul parts over. We're
leaving unless you do something to establish workable public transportation in
the Puget Sound coridor so that our employees are not spending so many hours
every day stuck in traffic. We're leaving unless you upgrade the quality of
your education system so that we can hire a greater number of literate and
qualified trainees."

"Oh, by the way, if you expect *us* to participate in paying for any of our
demands, we're leaving anyway."

Yeah? Don't let the door hit you on the stabilizer.

On 27 Jul 2004 23:41:48 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

SIGN SEEN ON A TIP JAR TODAY:

Hey, Republicans! Afraid of change? Leave it here! :-)

The jar was owned by a Democrat of course.

Yup. Just another hard working American trying to scratch a living together.
Just a single mom too proud to take welfare, and working for the subsistence
mini-wages paid by a billionaire "compassionate conservative". \


She was paid the wages dictated by the free market, which have nothing
to do with the government. Maybe if she possessed a more in-demand
skill, she'd be earning more money for her time.

Another clue: Not all business owners are billionaires, despite the
left's smear tactics to paint them that way.

Dave

Dave Hall wrote:

On 27 Jul 2004 23:41:48 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

SIGN SEEN ON A TIP JAR TODAY:

Hey, Republicans! Afraid of change? Leave it here! :-)

The jar was owned by a Democrat of course.

Yup. Just another hard working American trying to scratch a living together.
Just a single mom too proud to take welfare, and working for the subsistence
mini-wages paid by a billionaire "compassionate conservative". \


She was paid the wages dictated by the free market, which have nothing
to do with the government.

With a statement like this, Dave, you have demonstrated how naive and
simple-minded you are. There is no free market in the absence of
government.



--
We have nothing to fear..
....but four more years of George W. Bush.

On 28 Jul 2004 01:42:37 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:


Shows how easily you can be confused by
a snapshot of a tiny portion of a broad landscape.

When Boeing was blackmailing several states simultaneously, our sell-out
Democratic Governor and state legislators panicked and reduced Boeing's taxes
with a package worth over $3 billion over the next few years. The payoff to the
state?
We just heard that Boeing is going to hire 2000 people here, at probably $50k a
year average apiece. In other words, if the rest of the taxpayers in the state
will pay more money or forego enough services to subsidize Boeing for $3
billion, Boeing will see that we get a tiny fraction of that money back in
wages.

The lawmakers who supported granting the corporate welfare to Boeing are
probably high on the list of people working to make the state "favorable" for
business. :-(


I love to watch liberals spin. If your officials had told Boeing to
take some Heinz ketchup, and "shove it" instead, and Boeing then left
the area, you would be here right now bemoaning the loss of jobs, and
as an added touch, would probably blame it on Bush!

Dave

On 28 Jul 2004 04:06:43 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

You're kidding, right? You think that the only money Boeing gives back to
the community is the $100 million in wages given to new hires? What about
the people already working for Boeing who would have left the area if Boeing
moved?

Uh, they're already gone. Boeing moved to Chicago, and the "new hires" are
about 1/30th of the number of folks that Boeing laid off here in the last few
years.

Also, have you ever looked at a P&L? Wages make up about 1/5 of
total expenses.

Less than that, if you're got a clever Republican running the company. :-)

On top of that, there is a trickle down effect of the
people who work in jobs that service those 2000 people *and* the people
already working for Boeing.

That $3 billion saved your community. Without it, Everett/Mukilteo would
look like Allentown, PA when they were (to quote Billy Joel) "closing all
the factories down".

Bullshirt.

Take 1.5 billion of the same money, give it (don't even loan it) as matching
capital grants to people who have presented a *qualified* business plan for an
enterprise that will create jobs in the community and you will see far more
than 2000 jobs result, plus all the spin off jobs from suppliers, retailers,
service workers, etc.

Figure half of the enterprises go TU within
2-3 years. Still way, way, ahead of buying jobs from Boeing at $1.5mm apiece.

In a few years, when it's time to build the next plane, Boeing will come around
once again with the tin cup and demand even more concessions.

We ought to just get in bed with the Mafia.
At least they are obvious when shaking a victim down.

Everytime I bust my suspension on a pothole in the road or watch them close a
fire station or a library I can be ever so grateful that your cronies in the
Center for Business Supremacy, or whatever, think that government services
should be withheld from common people, but provided to their companies at a
newly reduced charge.


The bottom line: Those big businesses provide the lifeblood to provide
many community services. Local governments are motivated to do
whatever they can to retain those bigger businesses as they are all
too cognizant of the fact that if those businesses leave, the loss in
tax revenue will have to be made up for by the residents, in the form
of higher property and income taxes. Since politicians are always to
blame, any one who has to raise taxes might as well say good-bye to
his office.

Dave