On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 19:57:24 -0400, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/20/2021 9:10 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/20/2021 6:51 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 06:30:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Been thinking about the race related violence and deaths that seem
to be
constantly in the news. The media is fixated on the issue of racial
profiling of minorities, especially black folks who are often being
singled out for stopping by police for minor traffic infractions that
escalate into arrests, resisting and too often violence that
result in
deaths.

My thought:


When a officer stops a vehicle for a minor traffic infraction,
he or she runs a "check" via radio on the driver's (and sometimes
passenger's) license or ID. That check automatically includes a
search for any outstanding warrants for that person. If a warrant
exists, the person is often cuffed and arrested .... not for the
minor traffic infraction that they were stopped for ... but for
the outstanding bench warrant.

This often turns into resisting arrest with violent results.

This is standard operating procedure for law enforcement.
Not blaming them ... it's just "how it's done".

Maybe that needs to change.

What if outstanding warrants were not automatically included in
the "check" at the time of the vehicle being stopped?

The stop should be only related to the crime or infraction that
caused
the police to stop the person, be it for speeding, a broken
tail light or whatever. It should not be an excuse to check for
anything else, based on the officer's suspicions.

If a person has an outstanding warrant, the search for him or her
is a different issue altogether and other means of apprehending
the person should be used, specifically with the warrant being
the issue.

If the warrant is for a violent crime, it's knowledge might be very
useful.
I understand but if there is a warrant issued for a violent crime it
should be under investigation and pursuit by other means.

Some kind of compromise is needed to stop the "profiling" concerns.

It's also consistent with law that a stop for one infraction isn't
cause for arrest for another. A database search is convenient but
not necessarily legal, especially if the initial infraction is a
busted taillight.

So the fix for stopping arrests of wanted criminals is to just not
engage them,
and let them go so things don't get violent?Â* If the person has a
history of violence,
Â* you don't think the officer should know about that when making a
legal stop?
When you hire someone you do a background check so you know who you are
bringing into your company everyday.Â* But police officers should have
their hands
tied and not know who they are dealing with?Â* They are doing a very
valuable and
dangerous job, but their moral is at an all-time low and are leaving
their jobs at
record rates, at least according to some articles I've read lately.Â*
I just can't get
behind your proposal that puts them at real risk.

I have an idea.Â* If the person being stopped could act properly and
treat the officer with
the respect they deserve, then there will be no issue and everyone
will go on about their day.
However, if the person being stopped has an outstanding warrant for
their arrest, I'd like
for the police to get them off the street ASAP to insure the public's
safety and security.
If the lawbreaker gets their feelings hurt in the process, well too
damn bad.Â* Don't do the crime
if you can't do the time.



The issue is racial profiling and stopping people for a minor
traffic infraction just to see if they happen to be wanted for
something else.

My proposal isn't popular for sure but what else can be done?




These are two different issues.Â* Stopping someone because they are black
is just wrong.Â* Stopping someone for a legitimate infraction and finding
out they have a warrant is grounds for detaining them. There are plenty
of non-black people with warrants.Â* The LEO should have that information
so they can respond accordingly.Â* What they do from there is a matter of
training and the law.

My DC cop buddy (High school friend I still talk to) explained it
another way. When he sees a car with bad tags and equipment violations
he assumes if this guy is not maintaining his vehicle or his
registration, there is a good chance he doesn't have insurance and
there may be other legal things he has not attended to, like a warrant
for failure to appear.
Is that profiling or just reasonable suspicion?
No matter what he know he has a bad tag charge.


Dante wasn't even that innocent. He had a felony warrant for violating
the terms of his bail. He was going to be held without bond until his
trial for armed robbery. The stop was botched from the beginning and
the other officer is as negligent as Potter who shot him. They should
have never lost control of the subject. Wright should have been
behind the car with both hands on the trunk and the cop should have
been able to cuff him in seconds, not fumble around like he did.
The whole damned thing looked like a training film of what not to do.