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On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 09:30:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/20/2021 9:10 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/20/2021 6:51 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 06:30:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


Been thinking about the race related violence and deaths that seem to be
constantly in the news. The media is fixated on the issue of racial
profiling of minorities, especially black folks who are often being
singled out for stopping by police for minor traffic infractions that
escalate into arrests, resisting and too often violence that result in
deaths.

My thought:


When a officer stops a vehicle for a minor traffic infraction,
he or she runs a "check" via radio on the driver's (and sometimes
passenger's) license or ID. That check automatically includes a
search for any outstanding warrants for that person. If a warrant
exists, the person is often cuffed and arrested .... not for the
minor traffic infraction that they were stopped for ... but for
the outstanding bench warrant.

This often turns into resisting arrest with violent results.

This is standard operating procedure for law enforcement.
Not blaming them ... it's just "how it's done".

Maybe that needs to change.

What if outstanding warrants were not automatically included in
the "check" at the time of the vehicle being stopped?

The stop should be only related to the crime or infraction that caused
the police to stop the person, be it for speeding, a broken
tail light or whatever. It should not be an excuse to check for
anything else, based on the officer's suspicions.

If a person has an outstanding warrant, the search for him or her
is a different issue altogether and other means of apprehending
the person should be used, specifically with the warrant being
the issue.

If the warrant is for a violent crime, it's knowledge might be very useful.
I understand but if there is a warrant issued for a violent crime it
should be under investigation and pursuit by other means.

Some kind of compromise is needed to stop the "profiling" concerns.

It's also consistent with law that a stop for one infraction isn't
cause for arrest for another. A database search is convenient but
not necessarily legal, especially if the initial infraction is a
busted taillight.


So the fix for stopping arrests of wanted criminals is to just not engage them,
and let them go so things don't get violent? If the person has a history of violence,
you don't think the officer should know about that when making a legal stop?
When you hire someone you do a background check so you know who you are
bringing into your company everyday. But police officers should have their hands
tied and not know who they are dealing with? They are doing a very valuable and
dangerous job, but their moral is at an all-time low and are leaving their jobs at
record rates, at least according to some articles I've read lately. I just can't get
behind your proposal that puts them at real risk.

I have an idea. If the person being stopped could act properly and treat the officer with
the respect they deserve, then there will be no issue and everyone will go on about their day.
However, if the person being stopped has an outstanding warrant for their arrest, I'd like
for the police to get them off the street ASAP to insure the public's safety and security.
If the lawbreaker gets their feelings hurt in the process, well too damn bad. Don't do the crime
if you can't do the time.



The issue is racial profiling and stopping people for a minor
traffic infraction just to see if they happen to be wanted for
something else.

My proposal isn't popular for sure but what else can be done?


Dante Wright was driving with bad tags. That is not a minor offense.
In states that are serious about taxes (probably yours) the BEST you
can hope for is a ticket and a cab ride home because they will tow
your car. I know that is how it works in Md. It is the same with
insurance, which Mr Wright did not have. The cop probably knew that
too. I know insurance status pops up as soon as the cop runs your tag
in Florida.
Once they impound the car, they will "inventory" the contents "for
your protection" but if they find anything illegal, you get charged
for that too. They can already search the parts of the car "for
weapons" accessible to the occupants. Again in that "weapons search"
if they turn up anything illegal, off you go.



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On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 4:59:53 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 09:30:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/20/2021 9:10 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/20/2021 6:51 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 06:30:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


Been thinking about the race related violence and deaths that seem to be
constantly in the news. The media is fixated on the issue of racial
profiling of minorities, especially black folks who are often being
singled out for stopping by police for minor traffic infractions that
escalate into arrests, resisting and too often violence that result in
deaths.

My thought:


When a officer stops a vehicle for a minor traffic infraction,
he or she runs a "check" via radio on the driver's (and sometimes
passenger's) license or ID. That check automatically includes a
search for any outstanding warrants for that person. If a warrant
exists, the person is often cuffed and arrested .... not for the
minor traffic infraction that they were stopped for ... but for
the outstanding bench warrant.

This often turns into resisting arrest with violent results.

This is standard operating procedure for law enforcement.
Not blaming them ... it's just "how it's done".

Maybe that needs to change.

What if outstanding warrants were not automatically included in
the "check" at the time of the vehicle being stopped?

The stop should be only related to the crime or infraction that caused
the police to stop the person, be it for speeding, a broken
tail light or whatever. It should not be an excuse to check for
anything else, based on the officer's suspicions.

If a person has an outstanding warrant, the search for him or her
is a different issue altogether and other means of apprehending
the person should be used, specifically with the warrant being
the issue.

If the warrant is for a violent crime, it's knowledge might be very useful.
I understand but if there is a warrant issued for a violent crime it
should be under investigation and pursuit by other means.

Some kind of compromise is needed to stop the "profiling" concerns.

It's also consistent with law that a stop for one infraction isn't
cause for arrest for another. A database search is convenient but
not necessarily legal, especially if the initial infraction is a
busted taillight.

So the fix for stopping arrests of wanted criminals is to just not engage them,
and let them go so things don't get violent? If the person has a history of violence,
you don't think the officer should know about that when making a legal stop?
When you hire someone you do a background check so you know who you are
bringing into your company everyday. But police officers should have their hands
tied and not know who they are dealing with? They are doing a very valuable and
dangerous job, but their moral is at an all-time low and are leaving their jobs at
record rates, at least according to some articles I've read lately. I just can't get
behind your proposal that puts them at real risk.

I have an idea. If the person being stopped could act properly and treat the officer with
the respect they deserve, then there will be no issue and everyone will go on about their day.
However, if the person being stopped has an outstanding warrant for their arrest, I'd like
for the police to get them off the street ASAP to insure the public's safety and security.
If the lawbreaker gets their feelings hurt in the process, well too damn bad. Don't do the crime
if you can't do the time.



The issue is racial profiling and stopping people for a minor
traffic infraction just to see if they happen to be wanted for
something else.

My proposal isn't popular for sure but what else can be done?

Dante Wright was driving with bad tags. That is not a minor offense.
In states that are serious about taxes (probably yours) the BEST you
can hope for is a ticket and a cab ride home because they will tow
your car. I know that is how it works in Md. It is the same with
insurance, which Mr Wright did not have. The cop probably knew that
too. I know insurance status pops up as soon as the cop runs your tag
in Florida.
Once they impound the car, they will "inventory" the contents "for
your protection" but if they find anything illegal, you get charged
for that too. They can already search the parts of the car "for
weapons" accessible to the occupants. Again in that "weapons search"
if they turn up anything illegal, off you go.


The technology has been around for many years for a police car to simply
cruise a parking lot or drive down a road and get hits from tags. They have
cameras facing all four sides, and the cameras look at the tags, reads them
and sends the info back to a database to run them for issues. I saw a
demonstration of this, and it only took a 1/4 second "glimpse" of the tag
to read it and get the info. A positive hit results in an apprehension, or at
least a stop to investigate. I'm all for it. I have nothing to hide.
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 07:20:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/20/2021 6:51 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 06:30:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


Been thinking about the race related violence and deaths that seem to be
constantly in the news. The media is fixated on the issue of racial
profiling of minorities, especially black folks who are often being
singled out for stopping by police for minor traffic infractions that
escalate into arrests, resisting and too often violence that result in
deaths.

My thought:


When a officer stops a vehicle for a minor traffic infraction,
he or she runs a "check" via radio on the driver's (and sometimes
passenger's) license or ID. That check automatically includes a
search for any outstanding warrants for that person. If a warrant
exists, the person is often cuffed and arrested .... not for the
minor traffic infraction that they were stopped for ... but for
the outstanding bench warrant.

This often turns into resisting arrest with violent results.

This is standard operating procedure for law enforcement.
Not blaming them ... it's just "how it's done".

Maybe that needs to change.

What if outstanding warrants were not automatically included in
the "check" at the time of the vehicle being stopped?

The stop should be only related to the crime or infraction that caused
the police to stop the person, be it for speeding, a broken
tail light or whatever. It should not be an excuse to check for
anything else, based on the officer's suspicions.

If a person has an outstanding warrant, the search for him or her
is a different issue altogether and other means of apprehending
the person should be used, specifically with the warrant being
the issue.


If the warrant is for a violent crime, it's knowledge might be very useful.


I understand but if there is a warrant issued for a violent crime it
should be under investigation and pursuit by other means.

It very well could be.

Some kind of compromise is needed to stop the "profiling" concerns.

It's also consistent with law that a stop for one infraction isn't
cause for arrest for another. A database search is convenient but
not necessarily legal, especially if the initial infraction is a
busted taillight.


Do they issue warrants for such offenses? I can see nothing illegal in searching
the law enforcement's data base for warrants.
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On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 7:27:30 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 07:20:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/20/2021 6:51 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 06:30:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


Been thinking about the race related violence and deaths that seem to be
constantly in the news. The media is fixated on the issue of racial
profiling of minorities, especially black folks who are often being
singled out for stopping by police for minor traffic infractions that
escalate into arrests, resisting and too often violence that result in
deaths.

My thought:


When a officer stops a vehicle for a minor traffic infraction,
he or she runs a "check" via radio on the driver's (and sometimes
passenger's) license or ID. That check automatically includes a
search for any outstanding warrants for that person. If a warrant
exists, the person is often cuffed and arrested .... not for the
minor traffic infraction that they were stopped for ... but for
the outstanding bench warrant.

This often turns into resisting arrest with violent results.

This is standard operating procedure for law enforcement.
Not blaming them ... it's just "how it's done".

Maybe that needs to change.

What if outstanding warrants were not automatically included in
the "check" at the time of the vehicle being stopped?

The stop should be only related to the crime or infraction that caused
the police to stop the person, be it for speeding, a broken
tail light or whatever. It should not be an excuse to check for
anything else, based on the officer's suspicions.

If a person has an outstanding warrant, the search for him or her
is a different issue altogether and other means of apprehending
the person should be used, specifically with the warrant being
the issue.

If the warrant is for a violent crime, it's knowledge might be very useful.


I understand but if there is a warrant issued for a violent crime it
should be under investigation and pursuit by other means.

It very well could be.
Some kind of compromise is needed to stop the "profiling" concerns.

It's also consistent with law that a stop for one infraction isn't
cause for arrest for another. A database search is convenient but
not necessarily legal, especially if the initial infraction is a
busted taillight.


Do they issue warrants for such offenses? I can see nothing illegal in searching
the law enforcement's data base for warrants.


So it's not legal to make sure a person that is breaking the law is not under an
active warrant for breaking another law/? WTF?

"It's also consistent with law that a stop for one infraction isn't cause for arrest
for another."
Again, WTF? The cause for arrest is the INITIAL warrant for the first infraction,
not the stop. The stop just brought the individual to the attention of law enforcement.
They had been evading law enforcement until that point.

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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/20/2021 9:10 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/20/2021 6:51 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 06:30:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Been thinking about the race related violence and deaths that seem
to be
constantly in the news. The media is fixated on the issue of racial
profiling of minorities, especially black folks who are often being
singled out for stopping by police for minor traffic infractions that
escalate into arrests, resisting and too often violence that
result in
deaths.

My thought:


When a officer stops a vehicle for a minor traffic infraction,
he or she runs a "check" via radio on the driver's (and sometimes
passenger's) license or ID. That check automatically includes a
search for any outstanding warrants for that person. If a warrant
exists, the person is often cuffed and arrested .... not for the
minor traffic infraction that they were stopped for ... but for
the outstanding bench warrant.

This often turns into resisting arrest with violent results.

This is standard operating procedure for law enforcement.
Not blaming them ... it's just "how it's done".

Maybe that needs to change.

What if outstanding warrants were not automatically included in
the "check" at the time of the vehicle being stopped?

The stop should be only related to the crime or infraction that
caused
the police to stop the person, be it for speeding, a broken
tail light or whatever. It should not be an excuse to check for
anything else, based on the officer's suspicions.

If a person has an outstanding warrant, the search for him or her
is a different issue altogether and other means of apprehending
the person should be used, specifically with the warrant being
the issue.

If the warrant is for a violent crime, it's knowledge might be very
useful.
I understand but if there is a warrant issued for a violent crime it
should be under investigation and pursuit by other means.

Some kind of compromise is needed to stop the "profiling" concerns.

It's also consistent with law that a stop for one infraction isn't
cause for arrest for another. A database search is convenient but
not necessarily legal, especially if the initial infraction is a
busted taillight.


So the fix for stopping arrests of wanted criminals is to just not
engage them,
and let them go so things don't get violent?* If the person has a
history of violence,
* you don't think the officer should know about that when making a
legal stop?
When you hire someone you do a background check so you know who you are
bringing into your company everyday.* But police officers should have
their hands
tied and not know who they are dealing with?* They are doing a very
valuable and
dangerous job, but their moral is at an all-time low and are leaving
their jobs at
record rates, at least according to some articles I've read lately.*
I just can't get
behind your proposal that puts them at real risk.

I have an idea.* If the person being stopped could act properly and
treat the officer with
the respect they deserve, then there will be no issue and everyone
will go on about their day.
However, if the person being stopped has an outstanding warrant for
their arrest, I'd like
for the police to get them off the street ASAP to insure the public's
safety and security.
If the lawbreaker gets their feelings hurt in the process, well too
damn bad.* Don't do the crime
if you can't do the time.



The issue is racial profiling and stopping people for a minor
traffic infraction just to see if they happen to be wanted for
something else.

My proposal isn't popular for sure but what else can be done?




These are two different issues.* Stopping someone because they are black
is just wrong.* Stopping someone for a legitimate infraction and finding
out they have a warrant is grounds for detaining them. There are plenty
of non-black people with warrants.* The LEO should have that information
so they can respond accordingly.* What they do from there is a matter of
training and the law.


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On 4/20/2021 11:21 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:r Been thinking about the race related violence and deaths that seem to be constantly in the news. The media is fixated on the issue of racialprofiling of minorities, especially black folks who are often being singled out for stopping by police for minor traffic infractions that escalate into arrests, resisting and too often violence that result in deaths.My thought:When a officer stops a vehicle for a minor traffic infraction,he or she runs a "check" via radio on the driver's (and sometimespassenger's) license or ID. That check automatically includes asearch for any outstanding warrants for that person. If a warrantexists, the person is often cuffed and arrested .... not for theminor traffic infraction that they were stopped for ... but forthe outstanding bench warrant.This often turns into resisting arrest with violent results.This is standard operating procedure for law enforcement.Not blaming them ... it's just "how it's done".Maybe that needs to change.What if outstanding warrants were not automatically included inthe "check" at the time of the vehicle being stopped?The stop should be only related to the crime or infraction that causedthe police to stop the person, be it for speeding, a brokentail light or whatever. It should not be an excuse to check foranything else, based on the officer's suspicions.If a person has an outstanding warrant, the search for him or heris a different issue altogether and other means of apprehendingthe person should be used, specifically with the warrant beingthe issue.-- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.https://www.avg.com I wholeheartedly and unequivically disagree with your proposal. :-) That's ok. I won't hold it against you. :-)I don't think I have been clear enough butthe heck with it. I guess we'll just haveto keep doing things the same way over andover and over with no progress ever madeor expected.



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On 4/20/2021 11:21 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:r Been thinking about the race related violence and deaths that seem to be constantly in the news. The media is fixated on the issue of racialprofiling of minorities, especially black folks who are often being singled out for stopping by police for minor traffic infractions that escalate into arrests, resisting and too often violence that result in deaths.My thought:When a officer stops a vehicle for a minor traffic infraction,he or she runs a "check" via radio on the driver's (and sometimespassenger's) license or ID. That check automatically includes asearch for any outstanding warrants for that person. If a warrantexists, the person is often cuffed and arrested .... not for theminor traffic infraction that they were stopped for ... but forthe outstanding bench warrant.This often turns into resisting arrest with violent results.This is standard operating procedure for law enforcement.Not blaming them ... it's just "how it's done".Maybe that needs to change.What if outstanding warrants were not automatically included inthe "check" at the time of the vehicle being stopped?The stop should be only related to the crime or infraction that causedthe police to stop the person, be it for speeding, a brokentail light or whatever. It should not be an excuse to check foranything else, based on the officer's suspicions.If a person has an outstanding warrant, the search for him or heris a different issue altogether and other means of apprehendingthe person should be used, specifically with the warrant beingthe issue.-- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.https://www.avg.com I wholeheartedly and unequivically disagree with your proposal. :-) That's ok. I won't hold it against you. :-)I don't think I have been clear enough butthe heck with it. I guess we'll just haveto keep doing things the same way over andover and over with no progress ever madeor expected.


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are held acountable for their actions. Next step should be making
criminals acountable for their actions, including wet backs,
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 19:57:24 -0400, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/20/2021 9:10 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/20/2021 6:51 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 06:30:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Been thinking about the race related violence and deaths that seem
to be
constantly in the news. The media is fixated on the issue of racial
profiling of minorities, especially black folks who are often being
singled out for stopping by police for minor traffic infractions that
escalate into arrests, resisting and too often violence that
result in
deaths.

My thought:


When a officer stops a vehicle for a minor traffic infraction,
he or she runs a "check" via radio on the driver's (and sometimes
passenger's) license or ID. That check automatically includes a
search for any outstanding warrants for that person. If a warrant
exists, the person is often cuffed and arrested .... not for the
minor traffic infraction that they were stopped for ... but for
the outstanding bench warrant.

This often turns into resisting arrest with violent results.

This is standard operating procedure for law enforcement.
Not blaming them ... it's just "how it's done".

Maybe that needs to change.

What if outstanding warrants were not automatically included in
the "check" at the time of the vehicle being stopped?

The stop should be only related to the crime or infraction that
caused
the police to stop the person, be it for speeding, a broken
tail light or whatever. It should not be an excuse to check for
anything else, based on the officer's suspicions.

If a person has an outstanding warrant, the search for him or her
is a different issue altogether and other means of apprehending
the person should be used, specifically with the warrant being
the issue.

If the warrant is for a violent crime, it's knowledge might be very
useful.
I understand but if there is a warrant issued for a violent crime it
should be under investigation and pursuit by other means.

Some kind of compromise is needed to stop the "profiling" concerns.

It's also consistent with law that a stop for one infraction isn't
cause for arrest for another. A database search is convenient but
not necessarily legal, especially if the initial infraction is a
busted taillight.

So the fix for stopping arrests of wanted criminals is to just not
engage them,
and let them go so things don't get violent?* If the person has a
history of violence,
* you don't think the officer should know about that when making a
legal stop?
When you hire someone you do a background check so you know who you are
bringing into your company everyday.* But police officers should have
their hands
tied and not know who they are dealing with?* They are doing a very
valuable and
dangerous job, but their moral is at an all-time low and are leaving
their jobs at
record rates, at least according to some articles I've read lately.*
I just can't get
behind your proposal that puts them at real risk.

I have an idea.* If the person being stopped could act properly and
treat the officer with
the respect they deserve, then there will be no issue and everyone
will go on about their day.
However, if the person being stopped has an outstanding warrant for
their arrest, I'd like
for the police to get them off the street ASAP to insure the public's
safety and security.
If the lawbreaker gets their feelings hurt in the process, well too
damn bad.* Don't do the crime
if you can't do the time.



The issue is racial profiling and stopping people for a minor
traffic infraction just to see if they happen to be wanted for
something else.

My proposal isn't popular for sure but what else can be done?




These are two different issues.* Stopping someone because they are black
is just wrong.* Stopping someone for a legitimate infraction and finding
out they have a warrant is grounds for detaining them. There are plenty
of non-black people with warrants.* The LEO should have that information
so they can respond accordingly.* What they do from there is a matter of
training and the law.


My DC cop buddy (High school friend I still talk to) explained it
another way. When he sees a car with bad tags and equipment violations
he assumes if this guy is not maintaining his vehicle or his
registration, there is a good chance he doesn't have insurance and
there may be other legal things he has not attended to, like a warrant
for failure to appear.
Is that profiling or just reasonable suspicion?
No matter what he know he has a bad tag charge.


Dante wasn't even that innocent. He had a felony warrant for violating
the terms of his bail. He was going to be held without bond until his
trial for armed robbery. The stop was botched from the beginning and
the other officer is as negligent as Potter who shot him. They should
have never lost control of the subject. Wright should have been
behind the car with both hands on the trunk and the cop should have
been able to cuff him in seconds, not fumble around like he did.
The whole damned thing looked like a training film of what not to do.

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On 4/20/2021 7:27 PM, John wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 07:20:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/20/2021 6:51 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 06:30:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


Been thinking about the race related violence and deaths that seem to be
constantly in the news. The media is fixated on the issue of racial
profiling of minorities, especially black folks who are often being
singled out for stopping by police for minor traffic infractions that
escalate into arrests, resisting and too often violence that result in
deaths.

My thought:


When a officer stops a vehicle for a minor traffic infraction,
he or she runs a "check" via radio on the driver's (and sometimes
passenger's) license or ID. That check automatically includes a
search for any outstanding warrants for that person. If a warrant
exists, the person is often cuffed and arrested .... not for the
minor traffic infraction that they were stopped for ... but for
the outstanding bench warrant.

This often turns into resisting arrest with violent results.

This is standard operating procedure for law enforcement.
Not blaming them ... it's just "how it's done".

Maybe that needs to change.

What if outstanding warrants were not automatically included in
the "check" at the time of the vehicle being stopped?

The stop should be only related to the crime or infraction that caused
the police to stop the person, be it for speeding, a broken
tail light or whatever. It should not be an excuse to check for
anything else, based on the officer's suspicions.

If a person has an outstanding warrant, the search for him or her
is a different issue altogether and other means of apprehending
the person should be used, specifically with the warrant being
the issue.

If the warrant is for a violent crime, it's knowledge might be very useful.


I understand but if there is a warrant issued for a violent crime it
should be under investigation and pursuit by other means.

It very well could be.

Some kind of compromise is needed to stop the "profiling" concerns.

It's also consistent with law that a stop for one infraction isn't
cause for arrest for another. A database search is convenient but
not necessarily legal, especially if the initial infraction is a
busted taillight.


Do they issue warrants for such offenses? I can see nothing illegal in searching
the law enforcement's data base for warrants.
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You are all arguing the policies police can use as they exist now.

That was not the point of my "proposal".

I was trying to address the issue of people getting shot because
they are stopped for a minor infraction and then try to bolt
because the police then attempt to arrest for an outstanding
warrant.

If the stop was *because* of the outstanding warrant ... fine,
arrest the person.

If the stop was for a broken taillight, expired tags or
inspection sticker ... that's the offense they should be
guilty of and receive a ticket.

I know this doesn't make sense to most. It's not common
sense. But the ability of the police to arrest
you for something else in your record that had nothing
to do with the reason for stopping the person in the
first place, will result in these
shootings and killings to continue.

Attempted robbery is not a death sentence felony.
Drug dealing is not a death sentence felony.
Failure to pay child support is not a death
penalty crime.

If someone is guilty of the above, they should be
located and arrested on the merit of the outstanding
warrant, not for a traffic violation that it seems
too often escalates into a shooting.

I am not "anti-police" nor am I turning into a
screwed-up screaming liberal like some. Just
trying to think of ways to keep people alive.



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On 4/20/2021 11:21 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:r Been thinking about the race related violence and deaths that seem to be constantly in the news. The media is fixated on the issue of racialprofiling of minorities, especially black folks who are often being singled out for stopping by police for minor traffic infractions that escalate into arrests, resisting and too often violence that result in deaths.My thought:When a officer stops a vehicle for a minor traffic infraction,he or she runs a "check" via radio on the driver's (and sometimespassenger's) license or ID. That check automatically includes asearch for any outstanding warrants for that person. If a warrantexists, the person is often cuffed and arrested .... not for theminor traffic infraction that they were stopped for ... but forthe outstanding bench warrant.This often turns into resisting arrest with violent results.This is standard operating procedure for law enforcement.Not blaming them ... it's just "how it's done".Maybe that needs to change.What if outstanding warrants were not automatically included inthe "check" at the time of the vehicle being stopped?The stop should be only related to the crime or infraction that causedthe police to stop the person, be it for speeding, a brokentail light or whatever. It should not be an excuse to check foranything else, based on the officer's suspicions.If a person has an outstanding warrant, the search for him or heris a different issue altogether and other means of apprehendingthe person should be used, specifically with the warrant beingthe issue.-- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.https://www.avg.com I wholeheartedly and unequivically disagree with your proposal. :-) That's ok. I won't hold it against you. :-)I don't think I have been clear enough butthe heck with it. I guess we'll just haveto keep doing things the same way over andover and over with no progress ever madeor expected.






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