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Russia, Iran Acted to Influence 2020 Presidential Election, Report Says
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:43:12 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 10:58:39 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 23:20:21 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 22:17:46 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 18:21:03 -0400, Wayne B wrote: From the Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-authorized-influence-operations-to-hurt-bidens-2020-candidacy-report-says-11615918958 "Russian President Vladimir Putin authorized operations last year intended to hurt Joe Biden’s presidential campaign and support President Trump’s re-election while sowing discord to exacerbate tension in the U.S., a U.S. intelligence assessment released Tuesday said." . . . "Russia’s efforts relied on proxies linked to Russian intelligence services, which promoted “influence narratives—including misleading or unsubstantiated allegations against President Biden—to U.S. media organizations, U.S. officials, and prominent U.S. individuals, including some close to former President Trump and his administration.” Of course this begs the question of why Putin favored Trump over Biden. Neither the WSJ or the intelligence assessment addressed that important question. There has been speculation in the past that Russian intelligence had compromising information on Trump but those allegations have bever been proven. It's well known however that Russia helped Trump secure financing for his business interests after US banks refused to lend him more funds. What do you say? Let's nuke them. Otherwise it is just the game we have been playing for 75 years with them. Life's tough, wear a cup. They try to meddle in our politics and we meddle in theirs (that is everyone, not just Russia and Iran although Iran has the biggest beef). Since Iran wanted Trump gone, wouldn't they meddle FOR Biden? I don't hear people getting upset about that. === To me the real story is getting to the bottom of why Trump is soft on Putin. Is it business dealings, blackmail or something else? Maybe he just thinks the cold war is over. I understand the war mongers want it to go on forever. It is good business. The Europeans certainly want the cold war to end. They can use the energy. We are not going to see those tanks flowing through the Fulda Gap. The only thing flowing out of Russia now is oil and gas. === It seems clear to me that Putin's ultimate ambition is to rebuild as much of the old USSR as possible, and to regain as much global influence as possible. Neither of those are in our long term best interest. I think he saw Trump as a useful idiot out of the old Lenin playbook. Isn't that the goal of most national leaders? These days their main influence is dead dinosaurs coming out of the ground and it seems to be working for them. The only real expansion you can talk about is the Crimea. That is still where they have a strategic naval base they want to keep. Until we give Gitmo back to the Cubans, we have trouble complaining about that. Gitmo was the spoil of a war we lied to get into and the last major land grab that still exists today. I am not surprised the Russians want to keep their Gitmo. They took it in a war a couple of centuries ago (1783). The last vestiges of the native population was shipped out in WWII. The place has been Russian since then. As for our national best interest, getting along with the Russians is better than having continuous proxy wars with them like we did for the 45 years after WWII. Europe, the place we feared the most about, seems to think trading with the Russians is better than fighting them. Why are we still trying to stir up the cold war again? In that regard NATO is a cold war relic that should go the way of fallout shelters and Operation Chrome Dome. |
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Russia, Iran Acted to Influence 2020 Presidential Election, Report Says
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 13:13:48 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:56:49 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wayne B Wrote in message:r On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 10:58:39 -0400, wrote:On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 23:20:21 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 22:17:46 -0400, wrote:On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 18:21:03 -0400, Wayne wrote:From the Wall Street Journal:https://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-authorized-influence-operations-to-hurt-bidens-2020-candidacy-report-says-11615918958"Russian President Vladimir Putin authorized operations last yearintended to hurt Joe Biden’s presidential campaign and supportPresident Trump’s re-election while sowing discord to exacerbatetension in the U.S., a U.S. intelligence assessment released Tuesdaysaid."..."Russia’s efforts relied on proxies linked to Russian intelligenceservices, which promoted “influence narratives—including misleading orunsubstantiated allegations against President Biden—to U.S. mediaorganizations, U.S. officials, and prominent U.S. individuals,including some close to former President Trump and hisadministration.”Of course this begs the question of why Putin favored Trump overBiden. Neither the WSJ or the intelligence assessment addressed thatimportant question. There has been speculation in the past thatRussian intelligence had compromising information on Trump but thoseallegations have bever been proven. It's well known however thatRussia helped Trump secure financing for his business interests afterUS banks refused to lend him more funds.What do you say? Let's nuke them. Otherwise it is just the game we have been playing for 75 years withthem. Life's tough, wear a cup.They try to meddle in our politics and we meddle in theirs (that iseveryone, not just Russia and Iran although Iran has the biggestbeef).Since Iran wanted Trump gone, wouldn't they meddle FOR Biden?I don't hear people getting upset about that. ===To me the real story is getting to the bottom of why Trump is soft onPutin. Is it business dealings, blackmail or something else?Maybe he just thinks the cold war is over.I understand the war mongers want it to go on forever. It is goodbusiness. The Europeans certainly want the cold war to end. They can use theenergy. We are not going to see those tanks flowing through the FuldaGap. The only thing flowing out of Russia now is oil and gas.===It seems clear to me that Putin's ultimate ambition is to rebuild asmuch of the old USSR as possible, and to regain as much globalinfluence as possible. Neither of those are in our long term bestinterest. I think he saw Trump as a useful idiot out of the old Leninplaybook. Surprised you think that way, unless you got caught up in the fake news, lies, prpoaganda, obstructionism, and smear campaign the far out left was pushing onto their lemmings. Probably more than half the population didn't buy it. We'll never know since the left wing wackos did such a good job rigging the election. === None of those assertions are grounded in fact, and well over half the population saw through Trump's stream of lies and bull****. It was ultimately white, middle class, suburban voters who tipped the balance in the swing states - not exactly left wing wackos. How much of your 'speculation' is grounded in fact? -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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Russia, Iran Acted to Influence 2020 Presidential Election,Report Says
John Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 13:13:48 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:56:49 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:Wayne B Wrote in message:r On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 10:58:39 -0400, wrote:On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 23:20:21 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 22:17:46 -0400, wrote:On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 18:21:03 -0400, Wayne wrote:From the Wall Street Journal:https://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-authorized-influence-operations-to-hurt-bidens-2020-candidacy-report-says-11615918958"Russian President Vladimir Putin authorized operations last yearintended to hurt Joe Biden’s presidential campaign and supportPresident Trump’s re-election while sowing discord to exacerbatetension in the U.S., a U.S. intelligence assessment released Tuesdaysaid."..."Russia’s efforts relied on proxies linked to Russian intelligenceservices, which promoted “influence narratives—including misleading orunsubstantiated allegations against President Biden—to U.S.mediaorganizations, U.S. officials, and prominent U.S. individuals,including some close to former President Trump and hisadministration.”Of course this begs the question of why Putin favored Trump overBiden. Neither the WSJ or the intelligence assessment addressed thatimportant question. There has been speculation in the past thatRussian intelligence had compromising information on Trump but thoseallegations have bever been proven. It's well known however thatRussia helped Trump secure financing for his business interests afterUS banks refused to lend him more funds.What do you say? Let's nuke them. Otherwise it is just the game we have been playing for 75 years withthem. Life's tough, wear a cup.They try to meddle in our politics and we meddle in theirs (that iseveryone, not just Russia and Iran although Iran has the biggestbeef).Since Iran wanted Trump gone, wouldn't they meddle FOR Biden?I don'thearpeople getting upset about that. ===To me the real story is getting to the bottom of why Trump is soft onPutin. Is it business dealings, blackmail or something else?Maybe he just thinks the cold war is over.I understand the war mongers want it to go on forever. It is goodbusiness. The Europeans certainly want the cold war to end. They can use theenergy. We are not going to see those tanks flowing through the FuldaGap. The only thing flowing out of Russia now is oil and gas.===It seems clear to me that Putin's ultimate ambition is to rebuild asmuch of the old USSR as possible, and to regain as much globalinfluence as possible. Neither of those are in our long term bestinterest. I think he saw Trump as a useful idiot out of the old Leninplaybook.Surprised you think that way, unless you got caught up in the fake news, lies, prpoaganda, obstructionism, and smear campaign the far out left was pushing onto their lemmings. Probably more than half the population didn't buy it. We'll never know since the left wing wackos did such a good job rigging the election.===None of those assertions are grounded in fact, and well over half thepopulation saw through Trump's stream of lies and bull****. It wasultimately white, middle class, suburban voters who tipped the balancein the swing states - not exactly left wing wackos.How much of your 'speculation' is grounded in fact?--Freedom Isn't Free! With the cremation of America going on as we speak, all they can manage to wrap their small minds around is "I hate Trump". Unbelievable! -- Thanks Donald. Do you miss him yet? ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazon...net/index.html |
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Russia, Iran Acted to Influence 2020 Presidential Election, Report Says
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 15:44:56 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:43:12 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 10:58:39 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 23:20:21 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 22:17:46 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 18:21:03 -0400, Wayne B wrote: From the Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-authorized-influence-operations-to-hurt-bidens-2020-candidacy-report-says-11615918958 "Russian President Vladimir Putin authorized operations last year intended to hurt Joe Biden’s presidential campaign and support President Trump’s re-election while sowing discord to exacerbate tension in the U.S., a U.S. intelligence assessment released Tuesday said." . . . "Russia’s efforts relied on proxies linked to Russian intelligence services, which promoted “influence narratives—including misleading or unsubstantiated allegations against President Biden—to U.S. media organizations, U.S. officials, and prominent U.S. individuals, including some close to former President Trump and his administration.” Of course this begs the question of why Putin favored Trump over Biden. Neither the WSJ or the intelligence assessment addressed that important question. There has been speculation in the past that Russian intelligence had compromising information on Trump but those allegations have bever been proven. It's well known however that Russia helped Trump secure financing for his business interests after US banks refused to lend him more funds. What do you say? Let's nuke them. Otherwise it is just the game we have been playing for 75 years with them. Life's tough, wear a cup. They try to meddle in our politics and we meddle in theirs (that is everyone, not just Russia and Iran although Iran has the biggest beef). Since Iran wanted Trump gone, wouldn't they meddle FOR Biden? I don't hear people getting upset about that. === To me the real story is getting to the bottom of why Trump is soft on Putin. Is it business dealings, blackmail or something else? Maybe he just thinks the cold war is over. I understand the war mongers want it to go on forever. It is good business. The Europeans certainly want the cold war to end. They can use the energy. We are not going to see those tanks flowing through the Fulda Gap. The only thing flowing out of Russia now is oil and gas. === It seems clear to me that Putin's ultimate ambition is to rebuild as much of the old USSR as possible, and to regain as much global influence as possible. Neither of those are in our long term best interest. I think he saw Trump as a useful idiot out of the old Lenin playbook. Isn't that the goal of most national leaders? These days their main influence is dead dinosaurs coming out of the ground and it seems to be working for them. The only real expansion you can talk about is the Crimea. That is still where they have a strategic naval base they want to keep. Until we give Gitmo back to the Cubans, we have trouble complaining about that. Gitmo was the spoil of a war we lied to get into and the last major land grab that still exists today. I am not surprised the Russians want to keep their Gitmo. They took it in a war a couple of centuries ago (1783). The last vestiges of the native population was shipped out in WWII. The place has been Russian since then. As for our national best interest, getting along with the Russians is better than having continuous proxy wars with them like we did for the 45 years after WWII. Europe, the place we feared the most about, seems to think trading with the Russians is better than fighting them. Why are we still trying to stir up the cold war again? In that regard NATO is a cold war relic that should go the way of fallout shelters and Operation Chrome Dome. Nuke em and drill through the glass! -- Thanks Donald. Do you miss him yet? ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazon...net/index.html |
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