On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 20:53:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 18:25:15 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/14/21 9:34 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:


CHESTER, Pennsylvania (WPVI) -- A retired firefighter from Chester,
Pennsylvania is accused of being the man seen on video throwing a fire
extinguisher that hit three police officers at the Capitol during the
riot in Washington, D.C. last week.

Robert Sanford, 55, was arrested Thursday morning on four federal
charges, including knowingly entering a restricted building, disorderly
conduct on Capitol grounds, civil disorder and assaulting officers
engaging in their official duties.

According to the charging documents, the extinguisher bounced off the
heads of three officers, two of whom wore helmets.

Sanford, 55, traveled by bus with other people to the Capitol, according
to documents. He told a friend when he returned home that he had been on
the grounds for 10 minutes before leaving but did not mention throwing
anything at officers, authorities said.

Sanford was identified after a longtime friend of his contacted the FBI
in Pennsylvania and said they recognized Sanford from photos put out by
the FBI.

The fire extinguisher struck several police officers during the US
Capitol riot.

The friend said Sanford "had gone to the White House and listened to
President Donald J. Trump's speech and then had followed the President's
instructions and gone to the Capitol."

Sanford appeared in a federal court in Pennsylvania for an initial
appearance on Thursday afternoon. He was denied release and will remain
in custody of the U.S. Marshals until he is transferred to Washington, D.C.

The defense argued Sanford was not a flight risk or a danger to the
community, noting that he has no prior arrests, is married, and has
three children.

The defense added that allegations that he traveled to D.C. to commit
crimes are inaccurate and he is not part of any extremist groups.

Prosecutors challenged that claim, saying authorities found a t-shirt
associated with the far-right group Proud Boys at Sanford's home after
executing a search warrant.



Maybe he thought his life was in danger. Capital cops shooting protesters,
just because they were protesting.


If that is what you really think, you are even dumber than I had
envisioned. Peaceful protesting is perfectly legal outside the Capitol
building. That's not where he was and not what he was doing.


And even in riot situations, the cops are not allowed to shoot looters and
trespassers. So because they are in the Capital building, uninvited, they
are allowed to be murdered?

===

Being shot by an armed guard who is being paid to protect members of
congress is not exactly murder. And being "uninvited" is not exactly
the same as being at the front of an unruly mob trying to break down a
locked door leading to a congressional chamber.


The capital cops have the same rules as all these other police who are
being tried for murder, as well as the general population. Have to be in
eminent danger. Some lady stuck in the window, is not an eminent danger.
He could have gone over and cuffed her.

===

With all due respect, your interpretation of the law is incorrect.
Armed guards protecting a federal asset are not only permitted to use
deadly force when necessary, they are expected to.

Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 20:53:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 18:25:15 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/14/21 9:34 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:


CHESTER, Pennsylvania (WPVI) -- A retired firefighter from Chester,
Pennsylvania is accused of being the man seen on video throwing a fire
extinguisher that hit three police officers at the Capitol during the
riot in Washington, D.C. last week.

Robert Sanford, 55, was arrested Thursday morning on four federal
charges, including knowingly entering a restricted building, disorderly
conduct on Capitol grounds, civil disorder and assaulting officers
engaging in their official duties.

According to the charging documents, the extinguisher bounced off the
heads of three officers, two of whom wore helmets.

Sanford, 55, traveled by bus with other people to the Capitol, according
to documents. He told a friend when he returned home that he had been on
the grounds for 10 minutes before leaving but did not mention throwing
anything at officers, authorities said.

Sanford was identified after a longtime friend of his contacted the FBI
in Pennsylvania and said they recognized Sanford from photos put out by
the FBI.

The fire extinguisher struck several police officers during the US
Capitol riot.

The friend said Sanford "had gone to the White House and listened to
President Donald J. Trump's speech and then had followed the President's
instructions and gone to the Capitol."

Sanford appeared in a federal court in Pennsylvania for an initial
appearance on Thursday afternoon. He was denied release and will remain
in custody of the U.S. Marshals until he is transferred to Washington, D.C.

The defense argued Sanford was not a flight risk or a danger to the
community, noting that he has no prior arrests, is married, and has
three children.

The defense added that allegations that he traveled to D.C. to commit
crimes are inaccurate and he is not part of any extremist groups.

Prosecutors challenged that claim, saying authorities found a t-shirt
associated with the far-right group Proud Boys at Sanford's home after
executing a search warrant.



Maybe he thought his life was in danger. Capital cops shooting protesters,
just because they were protesting.


If that is what you really think, you are even dumber than I had
envisioned. Peaceful protesting is perfectly legal outside the Capitol
building. That's not where he was and not what he was doing.


And even in riot situations, the cops are not allowed to shoot looters and
trespassers. So because they are in the Capital building, uninvited, they
are allowed to be murdered?

===

Being shot by an armed guard who is being paid to protect members of
congress is not exactly murder. And being "uninvited" is not exactly
the same as being at the front of an unruly mob trying to break down a
locked door leading to a congressional chamber.


The capital cops have the same rules as all these other police who are
being tried for murder, as well as the general population. Have to be in
eminent danger. Some lady stuck in the window, is not an eminent danger.
He could have gone over and cuffed her.

===

With all due respect, your interpretation of the law is incorrect.
Armed guards protecting a federal asset are not only permitted to use
deadly force when necessary, they are expected to.


When necessary is a big item.

On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 16:09:59 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 20:53:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 18:25:15 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/14/21 9:34 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:


CHESTER, Pennsylvania (WPVI) -- A retired firefighter from Chester,
Pennsylvania is accused of being the man seen on video throwing a fire
extinguisher that hit three police officers at the Capitol during the
riot in Washington, D.C. last week.

Robert Sanford, 55, was arrested Thursday morning on four federal
charges, including knowingly entering a restricted building, disorderly
conduct on Capitol grounds, civil disorder and assaulting officers
engaging in their official duties.

According to the charging documents, the extinguisher bounced off the
heads of three officers, two of whom wore helmets.

Sanford, 55, traveled by bus with other people to the Capitol, according
to documents. He told a friend when he returned home that he had been on
the grounds for 10 minutes before leaving but did not mention throwing
anything at officers, authorities said.

Sanford was identified after a longtime friend of his contacted the FBI
in Pennsylvania and said they recognized Sanford from photos put out by
the FBI.

The fire extinguisher struck several police officers during the US
Capitol riot.

The friend said Sanford "had gone to the White House and listened to
President Donald J. Trump's speech and then had followed the President's
instructions and gone to the Capitol."

Sanford appeared in a federal court in Pennsylvania for an initial
appearance on Thursday afternoon. He was denied release and will remain
in custody of the U.S. Marshals until he is transferred to Washington, D.C.

The defense argued Sanford was not a flight risk or a danger to the
community, noting that he has no prior arrests, is married, and has
three children.

The defense added that allegations that he traveled to D.C. to commit
crimes are inaccurate and he is not part of any extremist groups.

Prosecutors challenged that claim, saying authorities found a t-shirt
associated with the far-right group Proud Boys at Sanford's home after
executing a search warrant.



Maybe he thought his life was in danger. Capital cops shooting protesters,
just because they were protesting.


If that is what you really think, you are even dumber than I had
envisioned. Peaceful protesting is perfectly legal outside the Capitol
building. That's not where he was and not what he was doing.


And even in riot situations, the cops are not allowed to shoot looters and
trespassers. So because they are in the Capital building, uninvited, they
are allowed to be murdered?

===

Being shot by an armed guard who is being paid to protect members of
congress is not exactly murder. And being "uninvited" is not exactly
the same as being at the front of an unruly mob trying to break down a
locked door leading to a congressional chamber.


The capital cops have the same rules as all these other police who are
being tried for murder, as well as the general population. Have to be in
eminent danger. Some lady stuck in the window, is not an eminent danger.
He could have gone over and cuffed her.

===

With all due respect, your interpretation of the law is incorrect.
Armed guards protecting a federal asset are not only permitted to use
deadly force when necessary, they are expected to.

Where was the imminent danger? I sure as hell didn't see any in the video. Hell,
she might not have even made it through. I see you are supporting the hell out
of Krause's conjectures though.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 16:09:59 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 20:53:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 18:25:15 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/14/21 9:34 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:


CHESTER, Pennsylvania (WPVI) -- A retired firefighter from Chester,
Pennsylvania is accused of being the man seen on video throwing a fire
extinguisher that hit three police officers at the Capitol during the
riot in Washington, D.C. last week.

Robert Sanford, 55, was arrested Thursday morning on four federal
charges, including knowingly entering a restricted building, disorderly
conduct on Capitol grounds, civil disorder and assaulting officers
engaging in their official duties.

According to the charging documents, the extinguisher bounced off the
heads of three officers, two of whom wore helmets.

Sanford, 55, traveled by bus with other people to the Capitol, according
to documents. He told a friend when he returned home that he had been on
the grounds for 10 minutes before leaving but did not mention throwing
anything at officers, authorities said.

Sanford was identified after a longtime friend of his contacted the FBI
in Pennsylvania and said they recognized Sanford from photos put out by
the FBI.

The fire extinguisher struck several police officers during the US
Capitol riot.

The friend said Sanford "had gone to the White House and listened to
President Donald J. Trump's speech and then had followed the President's
instructions and gone to the Capitol."

Sanford appeared in a federal court in Pennsylvania for an initial
appearance on Thursday afternoon. He was denied release and will remain
in custody of the U.S. Marshals until he is transferred to Washington, D.C.

The defense argued Sanford was not a flight risk or a danger to the
community, noting that he has no prior arrests, is married, and has
three children.

The defense added that allegations that he traveled to D.C. to commit
crimes are inaccurate and he is not part of any extremist groups.

Prosecutors challenged that claim, saying authorities found a t-shirt
associated with the far-right group Proud Boys at Sanford's home after
executing a search warrant.



Maybe he thought his life was in danger. Capital cops shooting protesters,
just because they were protesting.


If that is what you really think, you are even dumber than I had
envisioned. Peaceful protesting is perfectly legal outside the Capitol
building. That's not where he was and not what he was doing.


And even in riot situations, the cops are not allowed to shoot looters and
trespassers. So because they are in the Capital building, uninvited, they
are allowed to be murdered?

===

Being shot by an armed guard who is being paid to protect members of
congress is not exactly murder. And being "uninvited" is not exactly
the same as being at the front of an unruly mob trying to break down a
locked door leading to a congressional chamber.


The capital cops have the same rules as all these other police who are
being tried for murder, as well as the general population. Have to be in
eminent danger. Some lady stuck in the window, is not an eminent danger.
He could have gone over and cuffed her.

===

With all due respect, your interpretation of the law is incorrect.
Armed guards protecting a federal asset are not only permitted to use
deadly force when necessary, they are expected to.

The SS has managed to go 70 years without doing that.
I also would like to see a cite of any recent interpretation of the
law that says that. How many unarmed trespassers on government
property have been shot in the last 40 years?
I understand in the 30s cops were allowed to execute suspects in the
street and it was understood they needed killing but the ROE is much
different now.
Cops have to demonstrate imminent bodily harm. Capitol cops are the
same as the deputy that drives by your house.

It is just racism
If this was a black woman protesting George Floyd, DC would still be
on fire.