On 11/28/20 7:50 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/27/20 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:26:21 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 18:09:45 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:59:12 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo
radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of
Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and
search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the
White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday.
Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the
White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez,
Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a
letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF
maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the
risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez,
one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign,
tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an
excuse to just demolish it."

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope

You might have to try to get Elon Musk or Bill Gates to cough up
$50-100 million. I doubt the government is going to do it.
Since this is an international resource, where are the scientists from
other countries who used it?

===

I know nothing about the finances or international aspects. It just
seems like a unique resource that is worth preserving. I was working
on the technical staff in a research lab at Cornell University back in
the 60s when the whole thing was coming online. In the middle of an
upstate NY winter, most of us thought Puerto Rico would be a nice gig
to have.

It's unfortunate that so many jump to politicize the situation. More
information he

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_Observatory

I have been reading a little about this and the consensus is, most of
the infrastructure is EOL. Salt air and other ravages from the
environment has damaged this so badly they might be better off
salvaging anything they can and starting over. It might end up being
pretty much rebuilding from scratch. They won't have any military
connection this time and no DoD money so this might actually be best
done by a consortium of private companies. To put it in perspective,
if they could raise just 10% of what we spent on this last election
(~$1.4 BILLION) they could build a 21st century replacement for a mid
20th century complex with far more capabilities.


I agree a new system is a better solution than repairing an out of date
system, but it should be built by the government as a government
facility using private sector subcontractors. This is the sort of
facility that should be used for the public good. Let's not turn it into
a damned toll road that profits private enterprise at the expense of the
public.

Public good, Liberals code word for Gubmint wants control over everything.
You don't have skinning the game anyway. Deadbeat.

--
Don't Forget Ukraine. Don't Trust Joe.

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:05:24 AM UTC-6, Justan O. wrote:
On 11/28/20 7:50 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/27/20 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:26:21 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 18:09:45 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:59:12 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo
radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of
Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and
search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the
White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday.
Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the
White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez,
Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a
letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF
maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the
risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez,
one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign,
tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an
excuse to just demolish it."

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope

You might have to try to get Elon Musk or Bill Gates to cough up
$50-100 million. I doubt the government is going to do it.
Since this is an international resource, where are the scientists from
other countries who used it?

===

I know nothing about the finances or international aspects. It just
seems like a unique resource that is worth preserving. I was working
on the technical staff in a research lab at Cornell University back in
the 60s when the whole thing was coming online. In the middle of an
upstate NY winter, most of us thought Puerto Rico would be a nice gig
to have.

It's unfortunate that so many jump to politicize the situation. More
information he

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_Observatory

I have been reading a little about this and the consensus is, most of
the infrastructure is EOL. Salt air and other ravages from the
environment has damaged this so badly they might be better off
salvaging anything they can and starting over. It might end up being
pretty much rebuilding from scratch. They won't have any military
connection this time and no DoD money so this might actually be best
done by a consortium of private companies. To put it in perspective,
if they could raise just 10% of what we spent on this last election
(~$1.4 BILLION) they could build a 21st century replacement for a mid
20th century complex with far more capabilities.


I agree a new system is a better solution than repairing an out of date
system, but it should be built by the government as a government
facility using private sector subcontractors. This is the sort of
facility that should be used for the public good. Let's not turn it into
a damned toll road that profits private enterprise at the expense of the
public.
Public good, Liberals code word for Gubmint wants control over everything..
You don't have skinning the game anyway. Deadbeat.

--
Don't Forget Ukraine. Don't Trust Joe.

why would I forget Ukraine and why shouldn't I trust Joe.. Trump hasn't even visited Ukraine

you cannot just leave food on doorsteps, someone has to deal with food shortages, hunger, unemployment...

Gubmint programs are a good way to do it

a box of free food on a door stoop in a ghetto will last about... a minute.

Boxes will be stolen, mutilated and and missing daily. Not to mention eaten by stray dogs and cats.

Rich people have no idea how poor neighborhoods work. Especially since they don’t even have supermarkets.

On the plus side, maybe all of the STUPID poor people who voted for Trump will wake up when they realize they’ve losing their government checks, healthcare, Medicare, Medicaid and social security, because of Trump inaction

and his holy “base� approval ratings will FINALLY tank. I mean below the abnormally low 33 percent. How he thinks he could parlay that into a popular or electoral win is a mystery

mk5000

Like this in the early lessons, since the promise of learning
Is a delusion, and I agreed, adding that
Tomorrow would alter the sense of what had already been learned,
That the learning process is extended in this way, so that from this standpoint
None of us ever graduates from college,


Soonest Mended
BY JOHN ASHBERY