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Testing fallacy
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On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 01:55:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/17/20 8:34 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/17/20 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing" due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody" gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work. Problem is that those who test negative today could go out and become infected tomorrow. In order to confirm that people going back to work are free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested every day. Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming infected again. He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to be the case with covid-19. Everyone will need to be tested frequently, as I previously stated. But that won't happen the way Trump is ****ing over the possibility of a national response. How many can you test a day? 380 million? The approximate population of the country. 10 minutes a test, minimum. 380x10xx6 times 10 v 380x10xx7. Divide by 6 to get the hours. Divide by 24 to get the man days required. Which is about 33,000 man days required. Every day. Then we have a logistics problem. We better hope than immunity comes with having survived the infection. Now, how is President Biden going to accomplish his testing? How would YOU accomplish the testing? Maybe you need to take the bus in to DC and have lunch with the President and tell him how to do the job. We're way way behind on testing, Bilious. No one is suggesting that everyone be tested every day. How frequently are you suggesting? Every other day? Then you only need16.5 thousand man days. Once a week? Who is making 380,000,000 tests aweek?The math is too far above his head. Keep asking that question. His answer shouldbe interesting.--Freedom Isn't Free! Fat Harry and Joe Biden are on the same wavelength. They both have significant cognition deficiencies. -- .. ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
#23
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Testing fallacy
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:27:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 4/18/20 9:23 AM, wrote: On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:18:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/18/2020 8:03 AM, John wrote: On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 01:24:27 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 04:19:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing" due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody" gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work. Problem is that those who test negative today could go out and become infected tomorrow. In order to confirm that people going back to work are free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested every day. I have been saying that all along. Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming infected again. He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to be the case with covid-19. If our experience with the other Covids holds true, this will mutate and we won't be totally immune but the antibodies we have will make fighting it off easier. It may become another flu. Or just another nagging seasonal cold. Except for us old guys. I know many of you enjoy taking cruises but I've scratched any thought of that off my list permanently. When Mrs.E. and I celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary in February we gave some thought to taking a cruise in a nice, warm climate. I checked into the availability of two or three in January and we gave it some serious consideration since we've never done a cruise before (other than complements of Uncle Sam in the Navy) This was just before the seriousness of the covid-19 thing was known. Reflecting back now ... We are very thankful we opted *not* to do it. We ended up just having a celebration party organized by our kids and attended by about 75 people. That was on Feb 15th. Fortunately, it appears nobody in attendance had already been infected. If we had waited a few more weeks to schedule the party, I doubt it would have happened. My IBM and golf buddy in Bradenton was on one of those nightmare cruises around South America and he ended up being trapped on the ship for 3 weeks until they finally went to Miami. It actually worked out OK because that was where his car was anyway. They were supposed to fly back from Chile but Chile would not let them land. The cruise line shuttled them to the airport for flights home and that was where his car was. He did get an unscheduled trip through the Panama Canal and he had a nice suite so being on the ship an extra 3 weeks wasn't horrible. Ahh...another advantage of being on a cruise ship...a free extension because of a breakout of a virus on board. Add that to food poisoning, falling overboard, hitting reefs and sinking, crashing into other ships, and it is easy to see why the cruise life is so popular. Look at the bright side, at least they don't plunge down from 33,000 feet in a fiery crash that kills everyone on board. |
#24
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Testing fallacy
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:16:48 -0400, wrote:
The answer for us is still getting the antibodies, either by surviving the disease or with a vaccine. Anything else is simply waiting until you get it. The question is not if but when. === Exactly right. We were supposed to fly to Italy next month and take a cruise to the Greek islands. We were looking forward to it but needless to say that's off the table, perhaps forever. I'm glad we got in our windjammer cruise and transatlantic Greenland cruise when we did. Regarding the Northern Lights, be aware that it is quite rare to see the full "shimmering curtain" effect. Much more often they present as just a greenish glow in the northern sky. The spectacular pictures that you see are usually a result of someone spending half a winter above the arctic circle and experimenting with time exposures. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
#25
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Testing fallacy
John wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:18:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/18/2020 8:03 AM, John wrote: On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 01:24:27 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 04:19:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing" due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody" gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work. Problem is that those who test negative today could go out and become infected tomorrow. In order to confirm that people going back to work are free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested every day. I have been saying that all along. Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming infected again. He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to be the case with covid-19. If our experience with the other Covids holds true, this will mutate and we won't be totally immune but the antibodies we have will make fighting it off easier. It may become another flu. Or just another nagging seasonal cold. Except for us old guys. I know many of you enjoy taking cruises but I've scratched any thought of that off my list permanently. When Mrs.E. and I celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary in February we gave some thought to taking a cruise in a nice, warm climate. I checked into the availability of two or three in January and we gave it some serious consideration since we've never done a cruise before (other than complements of Uncle Sam in the Navy) This was just before the seriousness of the covid-19 thing was known. Reflecting back now ... We are very thankful we opted *not* to do it. We ended up just having a celebration party organized by our kids and attended by about 75 people. That was on Feb 15th. Fortunately, it appears nobody in attendance had already been infected. If we had waited a few more weeks to schedule the party, I doubt it would have happened. We've been on several and enjoyed them tremendously. But, until there are some big breakthroughs in this Covid-19 thing, we won't be taking one any time soon. -- Freedom Isn't Free! Wife and I have done a couple. Not our thing. We love ravel, but cruising does not do it. |
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On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:16:48 -0400, wrote: The answer for us is still getting the antibodies, either by surviving the disease or with a vaccine. Anything else is simply waiting until you get it. The question is not if but when. === Exactly right. We were supposed to fly to Italy next month and take a cruise to the Greek islands. We were looking forward to it but needless to say that's off the table, perhaps forever. I'm glad we got in our windjammer cruise and transatlantic Greenland cruise when we did. Regarding the Northern Lights, be aware that it is quite rare to see the full "shimmering curtain" effect. Much more often they present as just a greenish glow in the northern sky. The spectacular pictures that you see are usually a result of someone spending half a winter above the arctic circle and experimenting with time exposures. I would wait until the conditions are right and fly to Fairbanks. Friend from DeKalb, IL went on a Northern lights cruise. Did not see any, but while she was gone, had the lights over northern Illinois. |
#27
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Testing fallacy
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 19:29:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:16:48 -0400, wrote: The answer for us is still getting the antibodies, either by surviving the disease or with a vaccine. Anything else is simply waiting until you get it. The question is not if but when. === Exactly right. We were supposed to fly to Italy next month and take a cruise to the Greek islands. We were looking forward to it but needless to say that's off the table, perhaps forever. I'm glad we got in our windjammer cruise and transatlantic Greenland cruise when we did. Regarding the Northern Lights, be aware that it is quite rare to see the full "shimmering curtain" effect. Much more often they present as just a greenish glow in the northern sky. The spectacular pictures that you see are usually a result of someone spending half a winter above the arctic circle and experimenting with time exposures. I would wait until the conditions are right and fly to Fairbanks. Friend from DeKalb, IL went on a Northern lights cruise. Did not see any, but while she was gone, had the lights over northern Illinois. Our kids say they see them in Northern Michigan and I suggested that as a "two for the price of one" vacation but she wants to go to Iceland. As I said, I doubt we are going anywhere for at least a year because of this covid thing and that puts is in the winter of 22. I would have been 75 ;-) |
#28
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Testing fallacy
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On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 19:29:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:16:48 -0400, wrote: The answer for us is still getting the antibodies, either by surviving the disease or with a vaccine. Anything else is simply waiting until you get it. The question is not if but when. === Exactly right. We were supposed to fly to Italy next month and take a cruise to the Greek islands. We were looking forward to it but needless to say that's off the table, perhaps forever. I'm glad we got in our windjammer cruise and transatlantic Greenland cruise when we did. Regarding the Northern Lights, be aware that it is quite rare to see the full "shimmering curtain" effect. Much more often they present as just a greenish glow in the northern sky. The spectacular pictures that you see are usually a result of someone spending half a winter above the arctic circle and experimenting with time exposures. I would wait until the conditions are right and fly to Fairbanks. Friend from DeKalb, IL went on a Northern lights cruise. Did not see any, but while she was gone, had the lights over northern Illinois. Our kids say they see them in Northern Michigan and I suggested that as a "two for the price of one" vacation but she wants to go to Iceland. As I said, I doubt we are going anywhere for at least a year because of this covid thing and that puts is in the winter of 22. I would have been 75 ;-) Still young. I turned 77 in March. |