On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:44:41 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:55:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:32:21 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:06:45 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:14:11 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:57:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.

Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.

You are sounding much like CNN. There was a very high, non-mitigation estimate,
and a much lower estimate with mitigation. As Spain and Italy were used as
inputs, the output was high. Adjustments have been made based upon actual US
data and we see the result.

Of course, you knew that.

I knew that the demographic and geography made them bad models if that
is what you mean.

As it turns out, you were correct. But so were they when they modified the
model. You start with what you have.


I've seen no recommendations for surgeons to wear home made facemasks. The
purpose of the facemask for the public is to contain the virus if one is a
carrier. A cloth mask, although not perfect, is much better than no mask. Common
sense says that.

The thing that is flawed is it makes the mask wearer much more likely
to be infected unless they follow a far stricter protocol than simply
stuffing the rag in their pocket between wearings. It becomes a very
effective vector for the virus.
Fauci and the experts used to say that

In this case, the purpose of the public wearing the mask is so carriers will not
spread the virus as much. The wearer of the mask is not the one being protected,
although there may be some little protection.

It is still more of a feel good gesture than a real panacea unless the
public gets a whole lot better at the protocols than the girl on the
news. She was wearing a mask and gloves and within an hour she was
coated with the U/V powder used to simulate germs. She was leaving a
trail behind her along with being infected herself.
I did learn one thing. Washing your hands is only half of it. Wash
your face too. This girl had contamination on her face could quickly
be spread to her sinuses after she had washed her hands and taken off
the mask.
If you are serious about this, you almost need to be using "clean
room" protocols.

OTOH at my age, I am not supposed to be infected asymptomatically. It
is supposed to knock my dick in the dirt right away ... if you can
believe what you hear.

Again, you missed the point. Wearing the mask is to protect others, not
yourself.

She should have started with a mouthfull of the powder and blown it through the
mask.

If this is just an old T shirt, plenty would have come through. There
would certainly be enough to contaminate the entire mask, inside and
out..Corona virus is smaller than 0.3 micron.

Since most of the infection is hand to mouth, simply having it on her
hands is plenty to spread the infection and handling a dirty mask all
day will do that.
Gloves are even dumber. If the gloves are infected, so is everything
you touch. The virus may live on the glove longer than it would have
on your bare hand. (impervious surface).
Again, in a truly sterile hospital setting, the glove is used once,
carefully removed and thrown away. People are shoving their dirty
gloves in the same pocket as their dirty mask.
These are just things people are doing to think they are doing
something good and in most cases it is exactly the opposite.

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:45:37 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.

Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see
this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at
once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be
here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely
to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes
through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing
out over time.

Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve.

It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age,
dying. It just prolongs the suspense.

Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the
hospitals got full!

We don't really seem to be having the problem here, except maybe in
Broward or Miami/Dade. I still haven't seen stories about them setting
up tents outside or having to decide who gets care. Maybe it is just
because a lot of the snowbirds went home and we have plenty of beds
for when they are here.
People do seem to be dying to come to Florida ;-)

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 4/13/20 1:18 PM, wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 04:56:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/12/2020 8:57 PM, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7mOQ5DsM&feature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing out over time. Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve. It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age, dying. It just prolongs the suspense. That's true. I think there has been so much talk about rates going down, etc. that the concept of "flattening the curve" has been forgotten. When the curve is flattened, all it does is extend it over a greater period of time. The original idea was to prevent hospitalsfrom becoming overwhelmed. In that respect, it has worked. I've been charting the number of confirmed cases in Plymouth County with a population of approx. 500K. On March 1st there were no confirmed cases. This morning there are 2024. The slope continues to go up at the same rate it has for the past 2 weeks. I think the "hospital overload" may have been hyped up a bit too. They brought the hospital ships to NY and LA, they sit largely unoccupied. The huge field hospitals that were quickly erected seem pretty empty too. I understand nursing homes and perhaps a few other places with concentrations of old people can be hot spots but we do seem to be coping fairly well as soon as you get out of a couple big cities. There are going to be books written about this and most will be talking more about irrational panic than the actual illness. About 3 million people die in the US every year and I doubt the overall death toll will be that much higher when looked at it historically. This is not the Spanish Flu. It is more like the Y2K thing. There was a real problem but it got hyped up far greater than the actual impact. Since it is no big deal, I think it would be a hell of a gesture for your and Mrs. Fretwell to prepare some goody bags and deliver them in person to nursing homes.-- For the survival of this country, it is vitally important for all of us to successfully associate the substantial harm wreaked by COVID-19 with Trump and thereby defeat him in the fall election.

Each and every time you use that sig line a light shinse on your
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:06:31 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 21:09:31 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:35:22 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:25:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:11:02 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/12/20 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you
are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.



Apparently science doesn't mesh with Greg's loonytarian preference of
doing nothing.

There is not much "science" in these "do rag" masks.
They are certainly more than useless without any kind of sterile
protocol in place. Stuffing a dirty rag in your pocket that has been
collecting whatever was in the air and then reusing it contaminates
your hands, your pocket and anything else you put in your pocket.

They did an interesting demonstration here using U/V powder and the
mask wearing little blonde news girl glowed like a christmas tree
after an hour of typical activity, including under her mask.

Dipping them in a solution of clorox and water solves that problem. Even gives
the wearer some clean hands.

That is great if you only go one place a day and you have time for it
to dry between wearings. In her case it was more about what she did
after she took it off.

I'm thinking most of us go somewhere much less than once a day! Besides, the
masks are easy to make with a sewing machine and the patterns from John Hopkins.
My wife has made about a dozen and sent half to my daughter, the physical
therapist.

Actually I have been thinking about this and looking at my stash of
Costco stuff. I turned up a 240 pack of deluxe paper dinner napkins. I
think if you used alligator clips and rubber bands, fold these over
once and used that for a mask, (the size seems good) you could chuck
it and start with a fresh one every time.
I may put some in a zip bag and keep them in the car in case we do go
to a mandatory mask thing but I am certainly not reusing them. I would
still scrub up before and after wearing it and be really careful
getting it off and into the trash.
By the standard, an N-95 is supposed to catch 95% of anything bigger
than 0.3 microns. I wonder what 6 layers of that napkin material would
stop. It is certainly a lot more than an old, washed 100 times T
shirt. I think I would grind fiberglass with it if I could get a
tighter fit to my face.
I do still have some N-95s here tho and I am saving them for tasks
like that. I am way more afraid of emphysema or VOCs than Covid.

Better than nothing, I'd say.

My bet is if you actually had them doing testing, those cloth masks
are useless (as they said 3 weeks ago before the change of heart) and
a one time use of a 6 layer napkin mask is better. It probably isn't
nearly as good as an N-95 and even that will let at least 5% of the
virus through, assuming COVID is larger than 0.3 microns and I don't
think it is.
Once any of these get wet or even moist, the virus is coming through.
Having worn a real N-95 a lot, working on stuff, they can soak through
pretty fast, just from the condensation of your breath. If I wear one
for much more than an hour, it is dripping. I suppose in a cool dry
place they last longer but it is over 90 here with ~70% R/H right now.

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 06:10:47 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 8:31:06 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/13/2020 8:18 AM, John wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:05:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.

Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see
this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at
once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be
here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely
to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes
through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing
out over time.

Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve.

It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age,
dying. It just prolongs the suspense.

Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the
hospitals got full!
--

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It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those
who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although
not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in
isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain
most at risk.

We may need to hibernate for a long, long time. :-)

That's the truth. I'm supposed to fly to Seattle in July for a wedding. Already
paid for five tickets. I'm having serious second thoughts about that trip. I'd
really hate to get out there, come down with the virus, and spend time in a
hospital there.

United will allow rescheduling the trip up to a year from the date the tickets
were purchased. We'll see, I reckon.

Also have a trip to Seattle planned for August. Motorcycle ride with my brother.
Having qualms about that one also. Alaska Air has the same rules as United.


Probably too early to tell but I have a hunch we'll still be dealing
with this for quite a while.

The social distancing was/is to flatten the curve. To stretch out the infection over a longer period of time, as you have pointed out.

So now Fauci, who said on Jan 26th that the US didn't need to worry about Corona, is backtracking and saying that earlier distancing would have saved lives. This guy seems to be in political cover-his-ass mode

It is funny that when Fauci says it he is just evolving to changing
conditions but when Trump repeats what he heard Fauci say he is a
****ing liar.

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:12:48 -0400,
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:28:04 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:10:42 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...=youtu.beFauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn outto be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.

Fauci is just reacting to the available data. In the beginning
there was just models. You should wish that your mind will be as
sharp and flexable when you reach his age.

I understand the position Fauci is in but the flaw is having him on TV
a couple hours a day shooting from the hip on a situation that is
changing this fast. I suppose he is lucky the press isn't calling him
a liar too.

===

I think that people realize he's doing the best he can with the facts
available. He doesn't come across as playing politics or distorting
reality.

I said before, he really gets far too much TV time, giving us the best
guess at the time on a situation that is changing every day. Fauci is
just lucky that the press isn't calling him the same names they call
Trump for saying the same things.

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:34:03 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/13/20 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:16:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/13/2020 10:12 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:28:04 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:10:42 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...=youtu.beFauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn outto be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.

Fauci is just reacting to the available data. In the beginning
there was just models. You should wish that your mind will be as
sharp and flexable when you reach his age.

I understand the position Fauci is in but the flaw is having him on TV
a couple hours a day shooting from the hip on a situation that is
changing this fast. I suppose he is lucky the press isn't calling him
a liar too.

===

I think that people realize he's doing the best he can with the facts
available. He doesn't come across as playing politics or distorting
reality.



The only one the press calls a "liar" is Trump, even if he is giving
information that he belives to be true at the time.

===

Trump's big problem with the press, and many others, is that he comes
across as being ignorant and beligerant. It's probably too late in
his career to adopt a more thoughtful approach but he should really
try once in a while - more listening, less talking and posturing.



Ignorance, arrogance, bull****ting, belligerence, finger-pointing,
appointing of ass-kissers

So when Fauci says it he is just reacting to what he sees at the time
but if Trump quotes him he is a ****ing liar ... OK got it.

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:50:04 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:12:48 -0400,
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:28:04 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:10:42 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...=youtu.beFauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn outto be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.

Fauci is just reacting to the available data. In the beginning
there was just models. You should wish that your mind will be as
sharp and flexable when you reach his age.

I understand the position Fauci is in but the flaw is having him on TV
a couple hours a day shooting from the hip on a situation that is
changing this fast. I suppose he is lucky the press isn't calling him
a liar too.

===

I think that people realize he's doing the best he can with the facts
available. He doesn't come across as playing politics or distorting
reality.

I said before, he really gets far too much TV time, giving us the best
guess at the time on a situation that is changing every day. Fauci is
just lucky that the press isn't calling him the same names they call
Trump for saying the same things.

===

Fauci has a much less abrasive personna and does not seem to engage in
outright lies for the sake of political gain. Big difference.

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On 4/13/20 2:48 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:50:04 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:12:48 -0400,
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:28:04 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:10:42 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...=youtu.beFauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn outto be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.

Fauci is just reacting to the available data. In the beginning
there was just models. You should wish that your mind will be as
sharp and flexable when you reach his age.

I understand the position Fauci is in but the flaw is having him on TV
a couple hours a day shooting from the hip on a situation that is
changing this fast. I suppose he is lucky the press isn't calling him
a liar too.

===

I think that people realize he's doing the best he can with the facts
available. He doesn't come across as playing politics or distorting
reality.

I said before, he really gets far too much TV time, giving us the best
guess at the time on a situation that is changing every day. Fauci is
just lucky that the press isn't calling him the same names they call
Trump for saying the same things.

===

Fauci has a much less abrasive personna and does not seem to engage in
outright lies for the sake of political gain. Big difference.


There are many differences between Fauci and Trump. Fauci is a scientist
with a well-established reputation. He is cautious and is doing his best
to deal with a fluid situation. He is at the end of his career, is not
in political office and has no incentive to bull**** the public.

Trump is not a scientist. He isn't even a reader. He said the other day
he was going to depend on his gut as to when to state the current crisis
was over. Trump is not cautious, he doesn't read, he doesn't value the
opinions of legitimate scientists, he is facing the worst crisis of his
presidency, and he is scared ****less of what might happen to him if he
loses.

Fretwell has little or no respect for those with serious professional
credentials, especialy doctors. He thinks he knows more than they do. He
likes the fact that Trump is a disrupter, because Fretwell also hates
government. He approves of Trump.



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On 4/13/20 1:52 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:34:03 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/13/20 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:16:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/13/2020 10:12 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:28:04 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:10:42 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...=youtu.beFauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn outto be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.

Fauci is just reacting to the available data. In the beginning
there was just models. You should wish that your mind will be as
sharp and flexable when you reach his age.

I understand the position Fauci is in but the flaw is having him on TV
a couple hours a day shooting from the hip on a situation that is
changing this fast. I suppose he is lucky the press isn't calling him
a liar too.

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I think that people realize he's doing the best he can with the facts
available. He doesn't come across as playing politics or distorting
reality.



The only one the press calls a "liar" is Trump, even if he is giving
information that he belives to be true at the time.

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Trump's big problem with the press, and many others, is that he comes
across as being ignorant and beligerant. It's probably too late in
his career to adopt a more thoughtful approach but he should really
try once in a while - more listening, less talking and posturing.



Ignorance, arrogance, bull****ting, belligerence, finger-pointing,
appointing of ass-kissers

So when Fauci says it he is just reacting to what he sees at the time
but if Trump quotes him he is a ****ing liar ... OK got it.


Trump mostly listens to and quotes himself, and he has less scientific
background, education, and experience than I do, and I was an English
major.

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