On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.

Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see
this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at
once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be
here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely
to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes
through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing
out over time.

Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve.

It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age,
dying. It just prolongs the suspense.

Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the
hospitals got full!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those
who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although
not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in
isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain
most at risk.

We may need to hibernate for a long, long time. :-)





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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 21:09:31 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:35:22 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:25:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:11:02 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/12/20 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you
are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.



Apparently science doesn't mesh with Greg's loonytarian preference of
doing nothing.

There is not much "science" in these "do rag" masks.
They are certainly more than useless without any kind of sterile
protocol in place. Stuffing a dirty rag in your pocket that has been
collecting whatever was in the air and then reusing it contaminates
your hands, your pocket and anything else you put in your pocket.

They did an interesting demonstration here using U/V powder and the
mask wearing little blonde news girl glowed like a christmas tree
after an hour of typical activity, including under her mask.

Dipping them in a solution of clorox and water solves that problem. Even gives
the wearer some clean hands.

That is great if you only go one place a day and you have time for it
to dry between wearings. In her case it was more about what she did
after she took it off.

I'm thinking most of us go somewhere much less than once a day! Besides, the
masks are easy to make with a sewing machine and the patterns from John Hopkins.
My wife has made about a dozen and sent half to my daughter, the physical
therapist.

Actually I have been thinking about this and looking at my stash of
Costco stuff. I turned up a 240 pack of deluxe paper dinner napkins. I
think if you used alligator clips and rubber bands, fold these over
once and used that for a mask, (the size seems good) you could chuck
it and start with a fresh one every time.
I may put some in a zip bag and keep them in the car in case we do go
to a mandatory mask thing but I am certainly not reusing them. I would
still scrub up before and after wearing it and be really careful
getting it off and into the trash.
By the standard, an N-95 is supposed to catch 95% of anything bigger
than 0.3 microns. I wonder what 6 layers of that napkin material would
stop. It is certainly a lot more than an old, washed 100 times T
shirt. I think I would grind fiberglass with it if I could get a
tighter fit to my face.
I do still have some N-95s here tho and I am saving them for tasks
like that. I am way more afraid of emphysema or VOCs than Covid.

Better than nothing, I'd say.
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:05:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.

Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see
this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at
once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be
here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely
to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes
through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing
out over time.

Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve.

It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age,
dying. It just prolongs the suspense.

Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the
hospitals got full!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those
who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although
not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in
isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain
most at risk.

We may need to hibernate for a long, long time. :-)

That's the truth. I'm supposed to fly to Seattle in July for a wedding. Already
paid for five tickets. I'm having serious second thoughts about that trip. I'd
really hate to get out there, come down with the virus, and spend time in a
hospital there.

United will allow rescheduling the trip up to a year from the date the tickets
were purchased. We'll see, I reckon.

Also have a trip to Seattle planned for August. Motorcycle ride with my brother.
Having qualms about that one also. Alaska Air has the same rules as United.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On 4/13/2020 8:18 AM, John wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:05:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.

Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see
this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at
once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be
here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely
to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes
through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing
out over time.

Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve.

It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age,
dying. It just prolongs the suspense.

Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the
hospitals got full!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those
who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although
not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in
isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain
most at risk.

We may need to hibernate for a long, long time. :-)

That's the truth. I'm supposed to fly to Seattle in July for a wedding. Already
paid for five tickets. I'm having serious second thoughts about that trip. I'd
really hate to get out there, come down with the virus, and spend time in a
hospital there.

United will allow rescheduling the trip up to a year from the date the tickets
were purchased. We'll see, I reckon.

Also have a trip to Seattle planned for August. Motorcycle ride with my brother.
Having qualms about that one also. Alaska Air has the same rules as United.


Probably too early to tell but I have a hunch we'll still be dealing
with this for quite a while.



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On 4/13/20 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/13/2020 8:18 AM, John wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:05:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze

wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said
that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as
you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is
true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that
this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are
letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about
twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and
evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of
3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty
unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is
useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash.
I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's
"do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.

Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see
this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at
once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine
will be
here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely
to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and
wanes
through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing
out over time.

Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve.

It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age,
dying. It just prolongs the suspense.

Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly,
before the
hospitals got full!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those
who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although
not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in
isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain
most at risk.

We may need to hibernate for a long, long time.Â* :-)

That's the truth. I'm supposed to fly to Seattle in July for a
wedding. Already
paid for five tickets. I'm having serious second thoughts about that
trip. I'd
really hate to get out there, come down with the virus, and spend time
in a
hospital there.

United will allow rescheduling the trip up to a year from the date the
tickets
were purchased. We'll see, I reckon.

Also have a trip to Seattle planned for August. Motorcycle ride with
my brother.
Having qualms about that one also. Alaska Air has the same rules as
United.


Probably too early to tell but I have a hunch we'll still be dealing
with this for quite a while.




I was able to bail out of an airline trip to Texas and my wife was able
to bail out of a trip to Florida. Meetings in both cases were cancelled.
Airline offered us an upgrade with a delay good for a year, but we
passed on that and got refunds.

--
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to successfully associate the substantial harm wreaked by COVID-19 with
Trump and thereby defeat him in the fall election.

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:30:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/13/2020 8:18 AM, John wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:05:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.

Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see
this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at
once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be
here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely
to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes
through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing
out over time.

Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve.

It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age,
dying. It just prolongs the suspense.

Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the
hospitals got full!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those
who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although
not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in
isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain
most at risk.

We may need to hibernate for a long, long time. :-)

That's the truth. I'm supposed to fly to Seattle in July for a wedding. Already
paid for five tickets. I'm having serious second thoughts about that trip. I'd
really hate to get out there, come down with the virus, and spend time in a
hospital there.

United will allow rescheduling the trip up to a year from the date the tickets
were purchased. We'll see, I reckon.

Also have a trip to Seattle planned for August. Motorcycle ride with my brother.
Having qualms about that one also. Alaska Air has the same rules as United.


Probably too early to tell but I have a hunch we'll still be dealing
with this for quite a while.

That's what I'm afraid of. Unless there's some tremendous breakthrough in a
treatment, I doubt I'll be flying for a while.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On 4/13/2020 8:41 AM, John wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:30:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/13/2020 8:18 AM, John wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:05:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.

Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see
this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at
once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be
here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely
to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes
through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing
out over time.

Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve.

It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age,
dying. It just prolongs the suspense.

Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the
hospitals got full!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those
who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although
not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in
isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain
most at risk.

We may need to hibernate for a long, long time. :-)

That's the truth. I'm supposed to fly to Seattle in July for a wedding. Already
paid for five tickets. I'm having serious second thoughts about that trip. I'd
really hate to get out there, come down with the virus, and spend time in a
hospital there.

United will allow rescheduling the trip up to a year from the date the tickets
were purchased. We'll see, I reckon.

Also have a trip to Seattle planned for August. Motorcycle ride with my brother.
Having qualms about that one also. Alaska Air has the same rules as United.


Probably too early to tell but I have a hunch we'll still be dealing
with this for quite a while.

That's what I'm afraid of. Unless there's some tremendous breakthrough in a
treatment, I doubt I'll be flying for a while.

Here's hoping for an effective treatment. Otherwise, as the majority
of the country starts to come alive again, our percentage
of the population are going to become very frustrated.

Apparently some of the medications that Trump has been advocating
are showing promise. I'd hate to think we all need to hibernate
for 12-18 months awaiting a vaccine.






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On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 8:31:06 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/13/2020 8:18 AM, John wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:05:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.

Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see
this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at
once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be
here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely
to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes
through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing
out over time.

Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve.

It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age,
dying. It just prolongs the suspense.

Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the
hospitals got full!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those
who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although
not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in
isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain
most at risk.

We may need to hibernate for a long, long time. :-)

That's the truth. I'm supposed to fly to Seattle in July for a wedding. Already
paid for five tickets. I'm having serious second thoughts about that trip. I'd
really hate to get out there, come down with the virus, and spend time in a
hospital there.

United will allow rescheduling the trip up to a year from the date the tickets
were purchased. We'll see, I reckon.

Also have a trip to Seattle planned for August. Motorcycle ride with my brother.
Having qualms about that one also. Alaska Air has the same rules as United.


Probably too early to tell but I have a hunch we'll still be dealing
with this for quite a while.

The social distancing was/is to flatten the curve. To stretch out the infection over a longer period of time, as you have pointed out.

So now Fauci, who said on Jan 26th that the US didn't need to worry about Corona, is backtracking and saying that earlier distancing would have saved lives. This guy seems to be in political cover-his-ass mode.

On 4/13/2020 9:10 AM, Its Me wrote:


The social distancing was/is to flatten the curve. To stretch out the infection over a longer period of time, as you have pointed out.

So now Fauci, who said on Jan 26th that the US didn't need to worry about Corona, is backtracking and saying that earlier distancing would have saved lives. This guy seems to be in political cover-his-ass mode.



I don't know if he's trying to cover his ass or not. My impression of
him is that he just analyzes data through the myopic view of a
scientist.

I came across a timeline written by someone else that I think is a
fair historical summary of the early stages of all this. Plenty of
mistakes were made:

-------------------------------------------

Dec. 1: The first known patient

Dec. 30: Dr. Li Wenliang, at Wuhan Central Hospital, warned
colleagues about a cluster of patients being treated for
viral pneumonia

Dec. 31: China alerted the WHO of a spate of illnesses in
Wuhan, China.

Jan. 1: China shut down the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market
in Wuhan.

Jan. 10: The genetic sequence of the isolated coronavirus
was shared.

Jan. 11: The first death was reported.

Jan 14: (WHO) repeated China’s claim that coronavirus was
not contagious among humans

Jan. 20: The first human-to-human transmission was reported
by a Chinese expert.

Jan 22: Trump said, "we have it totally under control.
It’s one person coming in from China, and we
have it under control. It’s going to be just fine."

Jan 23: Chinese authorities implemented a strict nationwide
travel ban, but allowed International flights.

Jan 24: Bill de Blasio said, “We urge all New Yorkers to
continue to pursue their everyday activities and
routines�

Jan 25: Good Morning America:
"People should be more concerned right now with the
flu in this country."

Jan 26: New York City’s health commissioner, Dr. Oxiris
Barbot said, “We are encouraging New Yorkers to
go about their everyday lives... those “who had
recently traveled from Wuhan were not being urged
to self-quarantine or avoid large public gatherings.�

Jan. 30: The WHO declared a public health emergency of international
concern.

Feb 1: President Trump instilled China travel ban. New York
City had its first suspected case of coronavirus.

Feb 2: NYC health commissioner Bardot “As we gear up to
celebrate the Lunar New Year in NYC, I want to
assure New Yorkers that there is no reason for anyone
to change their holiday plans, avoid the subway, or
certain parts of the city because of coronavirus.�

Feb 4: China’s consul general in New York, Huang Ping,
thanked the Chinese-American community and other
concerned Americans on Tuesday for their aid in
battling the coronavirus outbreak, and criticized
what he described as “an overreaction by the
American government in severely restricting travel
to and from China.�

Feb 5: New York Times "Who says it's not safe to travel
to China? The coronavirus travel ban is unjust
and doesn't work anyway." NYC Health Commissioner
Barbot on Twitter, “Today our city is celebrating
the Lunar New Year parade in Chinatown... I want
to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not
change any plans due to misinformation spreading
about coronavirus.�

Feb 6: Bardot: “The important thing for New Yorkers to
know is that in the city currently, their risk is
low and our city preparedness is high...We’re
telling New Yorkers, go about your lives, take the
subway, go out, enjoy life. . . If it were likely
that it could be transmitted casually, we would be
seeing a lot more cases.�

Feb 9: Chinatown in New York City held its annual Lunar
New Year parade. Surgical masks were nearly absent
from this parade. Councilman Mark D. Levine on
Twitter, “In powerful show of defiance of coronavirus
scare, huge crowds gathering in NYC’s Chinatown for
ceremony ahead of annual Lunar New Year parade. Chants
of ‘Be Strong Wuhan!’ If you are staying away, you are
missing out.�

Feb 12: The House Judiciary Committee on voted, 22-10, to
terminate President Trump's expanded travel ban and
rein in presidential authority to issue such
travel restrictions.

Feb 13: New York City Council speaker Corey Johnson “It is
important to support the Chinese community in New
York City...There is no need to avoid public spaces.
I urge everyone to dine and shop as usual.�

Bill de Blasio: "This should not stop you from
going about your life. It should not stop you
from going to Chinatown and going out to eat. I am
going to do that today myself.�

Feb 25: Dr. Anthony Fauci “You need to do nothing different
than you’re already doing"

Feb. 26: In a press conference, President Trump said the risk
to Americans remains low.

Feb 28: A German team of doctors in Wuhan, China, “we discovered
that shedding of potentially infectious virus may
occur in persons who have no fever and no signs or
only minor signs of infection.�

Feb 29: The Food and Drug Administration declared that other
labs besides their own could develop their own
coronavirus tests.

March 1: Health officials announced the first confirmed case
in New York.


March 2: Governor Andrew Cuomo: “In this situation, the facts
defeat fear, because the reality is reassuring...
The woman who has now tested positive, she’s at home,
she’s not even in a hospital, so the perspective here
is important. And the facts, once you know the facts,
once you know the reality, it is reassuring, and we
should relax, because that’s what’s dictated by the
reality of the situation. I get the emotion, I
understand; I understand the anxiety. I’m a
native-born New Yorker, we live with anxiety.
But the facts don’t back it up here. . . . What
happened in other countries versus what happened here,
we don’t even think it’s going to be as bad as it was
in other countries.�



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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 06:10:47 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 8:31:06 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/13/2020 8:18 AM, John wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:05:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.

Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see
this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at
once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be
here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely
to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes
through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing
out over time.

Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve.

It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age,
dying. It just prolongs the suspense.

Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the
hospitals got full!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!



It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those
who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although
not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in
isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain
most at risk.

We may need to hibernate for a long, long time. :-)

That's the truth. I'm supposed to fly to Seattle in July for a wedding. Already
paid for five tickets. I'm having serious second thoughts about that trip. I'd
really hate to get out there, come down with the virus, and spend time in a
hospital there.

United will allow rescheduling the trip up to a year from the date the tickets
were purchased. We'll see, I reckon.

Also have a trip to Seattle planned for August. Motorcycle ride with my brother.
Having qualms about that one also. Alaska Air has the same rules as United.


Probably too early to tell but I have a hunch we'll still be dealing
with this for quite a while.

The social distancing was/is to flatten the curve. To stretch out the infection over a longer period of time, as you have pointed out.

So now Fauci, who said on Jan 26th that the US didn't need to worry about Corona, is backtracking and saying that earlier distancing would have saved lives. This guy seems to be in political cover-his-ass mode.

Perhaps he was listening to the 'on the spot' gurus from the WHO.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!